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Old 2004-12-02, 18:19
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In interviews some of the band members talking about how they made their music to be as unlistnable to as possible, and it is; almost no one likes it. That's not a bad thing, because than you get overpolluted genres and lots of bad bands. Nihilists don't believe in assigning values to actions, such as morals. Often times a black metal artist from the norwegian/ helvete scene will express views which reflect this. It's pretty fucking obvious. Even morbid angel has mentioned it before. Every muscisian has a point of view. Nihilism philosophy, especially that of niezche's, is very influencial to germanic and nordic countries. Actually he was influencial to a lot of philosiphers, especially when more accurate translations of his work became available. You can see it in other metal acts like massacra too. I guess Anton LaVeys philosophy accounts for a lot of it too. The theme of reviving viking custums and lifestyles is also common. There's alot of good new music in the black metal genre but my point was that it's old news, that bands have to evolve from the best metal bands (I'm not only into black metal like some prejudice remarks have stated). Black metal did have some good ideas and it should be built upon and improved, made into new. I also don't advocate their methods of removing christianity. For anyone who's christian it helps them, so there's no real harm in it as just a basic belief. Yah this is pointless, close the thread if you want. I think there's alot of people who'll want to bash the shit out of me again though.

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Old 2004-12-02, 19:42
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Bloodredthrone, drop it.Read thread title. You just started this as an excuse to pimp your stupid trad bullshit. It's old, there are millions of threads like this, when "tr00" bitches come in and start whinning how CoF or Dimmu aren't tr00. Shut up, nobody cares anymore. There used to be a "war against black metal" on this forum a few years before I came, the oldies will remember, when BM trad bitches overflowed the place with bullshit about being "tr00". You're a few years late.
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Old 2004-12-02, 19:50
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maybe im not totally familiar with this dude

either way, being grim and necro 100% of the time is boring.

bleh, and of course i cant be frostbitten because this is australia. hence my location
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Old 2004-12-02, 22:30
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Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist. His views on morality are fairly different than nihilists', even those who claim to follow his teachings. Death was probably the only notable and important metal band to really reflect Nietzsche's ideas well, and what does Schuldiner get from the metal nihilist society? Prozak harasses his mother immediately after his death. Nice. Regardless, very few black metal fans first hear In the Nightside Eclipse and think 'Woah, this is very Nietzschean. Also nihilistic. With a bit of Anton Lavey thrown in. And Asatru. I like this. What kind of music is it?'

As for poor production to avoid mainstream exposure: why care? That's not notably different from intentionally improving your production in order to gain mainstream acceptance. In both cases it's allowing non-musical reflections on mainstream acceptance dictate something that should be dictated by what best conveys the music, and, if you must, the message. These guys aren't the Knights Templar; they're musicians. Being cryptic doesn't do any good; it doesn't even self-select its own listenership so as to weed out poseurs. It does encourage listeners to try harder to appreciate the music, but since, at the same time, it assigns a positive value to the action of appreciating the music, there'll be some fuckin' poseurs, my friend (Just like the Knights Templar. They should've paid more attention to medieval hermetic societies when they were trying to make music. Obviously there's some connection. At least as strong as with everything else they claim). Especially if we follow contemporary thinking about taste (following Bourdieu - oooh, look at me! I named a sociologist! I must be smart as hell!), where anything that you have to work at liking (i.e., anything you don't like naturally) is an affectation. If they want their music to be difficult to get into, write it well enough that it's difficult to get into; don't be a pussy and use the recording shortcut. They're not working at getting their ideal listeners; they're working at getting people who will do whatever they say. And they're assigning value. Eat it.

I like Emperor, Dissection, Akercocke since they're apparently black metal, a few Mayhem songs, and, uh, shit, hmm, Gargamel. They're true as balls. I still say this thread shouldn't have been an opportunity for you to stand on your little nihilistic soapbox and tell us the political and philosophical reasons why music is good, and why everyone should abandon black metal. I kinda agree with that last bit, but I don't really go around telling people it when I've just asked them what bands they like.
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Old 2004-12-02, 22:35
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Old 2004-12-03, 00:15
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this is more like my favorite 5 at the moment, as opposed to a "top 5" which sounds more permanant. and its not all that reliable either cause it could change in a week...
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Old 2004-12-03, 06:26
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READ WHAT THE FUCK PST JUST FUCKING SAID, NO DEBATING THE FUCKING STATE OF BLACK METALS EXISTANCE IN THIS THREAD, START A NEW FUCKING THREAD FOR THAT SHIT, AND YOU AND THE OTHER ELITIST PRICKS ON THIS SITE CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT HOW RIGHT YOU GUY ARE THAT TR00 KVLT BM NO LONGER EXISTS. THIS IS FOR YOUR TOP 5 PICKS FOR BEST BLACK METAL BANDS.


I just added my own point of view about state of nowadays Black Metal, I guess that talking some times off-topic isn't banned on this forum. So why should it be banned on this particular thread?

Maybe talking about the current state of Black Metal isn't very relevant if according to this topic's subject, though some people might read those 'conversations' and find there a good band which might lead them to the change of their top 5 black metal list.
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Old 2004-12-03, 07:26
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Thats all I've come to respect. DW is my favorite band.
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Old 2004-12-04, 05:55
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YES! Another person who liked Astriaal! Not enough people like Astriaal.
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Old 2004-12-04, 09:39
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Old 2004-12-04, 13:54
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PST raises many good points, more skillfully than I have too. It's true I was just using it as an excuse to boast bloated elitist views, but it also allows me to test what I have read among a community of various metal fans. We don't just have black metal fans here we have all types. It really helps you get a sense from all view points within the confined space of the metal genres. Now it's not that I am going to completely agree with you all, but there have been enough valid points for me to admit defeat and to rethink my own beliefs a little.
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Old 2004-12-04, 18:30
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Old 2004-12-05, 03:04
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Cradle of Filth isn't black metal. It's gay goth metal bullshit. I don't know how it can be called black metal.
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Old 2004-12-05, 03:44
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Cradle of Filth isn't black metal. It's gay goth metal bullshit. I don't know how it can be called black metal.
Damn, you're a stupid cunt. If you think you know so much about what makes black metal and goth metal, then explain to me how they're not black metal.

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Old 2004-12-05, 04:04
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Not meaning to cut in here, well actually I do, but CoF aren't exactly BM. Their music isn't heavy enough and sometimes they've got these really nice melodies all the way through. They used to be BM but they aren't in my opinion any more. Also, they don't match to the likes of Mayhem and that.
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Old 2004-12-05, 04:09
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Do I even have to explain it?!?!? Fuck me, I mean, they rank alongside Slipknot in sellout poser bullshitiness, they paint there fucking faces [like half of the shitty BM bands out there], they signed to Sony, they're videos and lyrics are simply and plainly OVERLY gothic, they make stupid fucking public statements like "Lets 'ave a war on emo then lads.", . I mean, they just fucking suck. They are one of the worst bands I've heard. I'd rather listen to fucking evanescence than that shitty band.

Heres an excerpt from a website about them:

Cradle Of Filth is the unsurpassed glam band of the new century. Everything regarding this band du jour smacks of the kind of commercialism for which people fall as a function of the inherent subservience to herd mentality in the pathetic human race. While Kiss and Sweet were the foremost glamsters of the seventies, Poison of the eighties and the nineties gave us Gwar and White Zombie; the new century gives us Cradle Of Filth. The band uses more makeup and gimmicks in its photos than entire labels (with the exception of Nuclear Blast and Dimmu something) spend on promotion. The oh-so clever play on words of the band's label extends to the album title. The biography spends pages revealing the manifesto to the theses of coolness never bothering to mention a thing about their music, including the present album's one cover and three rerecorded songs. Cradle Of Filth simply live off the hype, image and the correct bet that the established media will tow the party line. Judging by the photos, six Marilyn Manson concubines with six times more references and allusions to erotic angels than Aeroshit have about their dicks deliver shrilly, ultra-treble dancey goth rock - with Mickey Mouse acting as front man. Finally, please stop parading the semi-nude female photos. Hustler has it tenfold at half the price of a CD. Just plain give it up boys. Remember what happened to Poison? - Ali "The Metallian"

But whatever man, I dont care if you fucken like them or not, I'm just saying, I think they are a shitty band.
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Listen, it seem you think they aren't black metal because they were on Ozzfest, they were on Sony at one point, wear corpse paint, shit like that. Since when did that change their metal gendre? I don't give a damn what they do, I'm speaking from a music stand point. On their new album they display the same heavy sound that bands like Dark Funeral and Marduk. Take the song Guilded Cunt for example. I never heard goth metal bands such as Type O Negative or HIM play anything like COF. Its insanely easy to tell the difference in the music. Don't tell me they're not bm because they're more popular than other bm bands, that's just stupid.

Also, how long has COF been around? Longer than any Slipknot band bullshit and if I remember correctly, they wore corpsepaint then too. So that now they got a little more attention they're posers? What the hell? Don't let stupid shit keep you from listening to desent music. If you did give them a chance and actually DO hate them then I can understand and I really don't mind. But if you hate a band because they're popular and never really tried out their music, then I fucking hate you. I tried to listen to Slipknot before putting them down and I hated them. But I like Mudvayne, they may be bigger than most but I still like their music.
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Well that explains everything. You listen to Mudvayne.

Sound like Marduk? AHhahaha, Decent Music? Don't make me fucken laugh... again.
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Old 2004-12-05, 04:44
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Wow, let's all insult people because they like a band that I think is ghey.

Musical tastes. Something not familiar with the "gotta be more metal than the next guy" philosophy of the metaltab users. Sure I hold my head high and say "hah my music is more technical than that mainstream crapp playing on the radios." The problem is, everybody thinks their music is the best. Just learn to respect other people's musical tastes. Most of us will grow out of being metalheads in 20 years anyways, and look down on all the young metalheads and laugh. Besides, any metalhead over 40 will die in a year from drug abuse anyways.
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