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View Poll Results: Do you know a lot of theory?
Yes, I know a lot of theory. 10 13.70%
I know some theory. 43 58.90%
No, but I want to learn it. 17 23.29%
No, and I don't want to learn it. 3 4.11%
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Old 2004-11-22, 03:43
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Agreed.

Theory is important, but if you have a good ear you don't need to fully understand it per/say. However, even those who claim they don't know anything about theory (Chuck, Eddie Van Halen, Zak, etc) actually do apply it every time they write a song. That said all theory does is help you understand why things sound good etc. You can already know what sounds good without understanding why. Just like when you get in a car, you don't have to know about how the engine works in order to drive. Doesn't change the fact that you still use the engine to drive it.

Knowing theory can only help you progress as a musician, but if you're bored then whatever floats your boat. If you take some time and learn some it's deffinitely not going to hinder your progress, in fact it will help you a great deal. You just have to decide if it's worth the effort or not.
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i just wanna had keep coming back to it if you find it boring. i used to be extremly bored with it just learning scales and how shit works. but now im taking a class in it and i cant wait to get there i love it and its so much fun. i find myself working outside of the class often cause i want to further my progress init
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Old 2004-11-22, 21:03
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I wouldn't mind playing like Mille Petrozza my whole life, thats fine with me. What ever sounds good is good. But you do need theory to write like Alexi tho.
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Old 2004-11-22, 21:17
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But you do need theory to write like Alexi tho.

Or a good ear and the first six or seven King Diamond records.

Theory never hurt anyone who wasn't irrevocably crippled to begin with, but it's not a magic key to good composition or a replacement for quality musicianship. I'm not trying to imply that anybody here is claiming it is, I'm just clarifying what I meant by 'another weapon in the arsenal.' AnubisXY probably did a better job of that, though.
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I just started taking Music Theory class not too long ago and it was frustrating at first, actually it still is, but in the couple months that I've bee taking it. I've noticed my playing has enhanced. I'm most likely gonna keep learning Music Theory until I die, there's just so much to learn. I think it'd be crazy to be able to write a song or at least the base of a song with just a pencil and paper....that's my goal with Music Theory for the next 3 years or so.
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i know some theory, but i am gonna have to learn it very well because i want to be a high school music teacher
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Theory is definatly important. I used to say theory would only limit your playing abilities thus making you a typical, unoriginal guitar player. But then I realized that if you make a song...theres theory behind it. If you learn theory basically it'll open your mind to new ideas. I hardly know anything about theory but I've been trying to learn over the past few months and its helped me greatly in songwriting.
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theory is a way for me to explain what is already in my head to other musicians.
i know some theory, modes and intervals but have never used it. ive never sat down and said, ok this next bit is going to be in harmonic minor with mixylodian undertones. I get the notes in my head for the feel I want without knowing what theory applies to it.
incedentaly, alot of my solos change between scales frequently.
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theory is a way for me to explain what is already in my head to other musicians.
i know some theory, modes and intervals but have never used it. ive never sat down and said, ok this next bit is going to be in harmonic minor with mixylodian undertones. I get the notes in my head for the feel I want without knowing what theory applies to it.
incedentaly, alot of my solos change between scales frequently.



Sober explanation of what I was trying to say
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Old 2004-11-23, 18:43
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Real operatic dissonant harmonies take a shit load of theory. Hail to the synth players.
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Old 2004-11-23, 18:46
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"rules to break rules"

This was a bad example. i'll try to explain better.

The whole rules to break rules thing is just a way of looking at basic theory when compared to a more advanced understanding of it. It was just the best way I could describe it at the time.

When you only have basic theory it seems limiting. But when you get advanced into theory you realize that theory covers any style of music, or any thing you could try and do with music. Thus, all those restrictions that you see when your just a beginner in theory... you learn that in the more advanced theory, it contains all the ways to get around those "limitations" that you see in the beginning.

Theory has no limits to what you can do. What it does is it acts as a guide. Giving you ways to improve what your doing, or ways to put your ideas into music that you just couldn't figure out on your own.

If you write a death metal riff and you just can't get it to sound cool... you have the idea in your head, but just can't get it to fully come out on the guitar correctly, a good understanding of theory would give you the tools to completely express what it is your trying to do by just going over what you have so far and checking all the pieces of it with theory and trying different "theory rules" untill you can get it to match the music in your head... As a lame example. :P
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i started learning the very basic theory acctualy in piano lessons,way bak when, then now that im in jazz band and have an awsome director(hes like a hippy in a good way)he teaches us theory to learn to improvise.i think i have a prety good ear so improv has come easily to me but now i can explane the improv.put to words what i played
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Old 2004-11-24, 16:13
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I know some notes of some scale I don't know. That is about as much theory as I know. I really don't find a point in it, and find that alot of people rely on it too much to help them make music. I know its a hell of alot easier to throw some scales in and call it a solo then actually to sit down and think of a solo with your mind. I do find scales useful for practicing picking and fingerwork though.
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Old 2004-11-29, 21:09
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my theory on Music theory is as follows:

the reason music threoy exsists is so one can make Pleasent music.
so if you go one note out of your perfect scale and it sounds killer, then it is killer, dont limit yourself with theory, use it to make your playing better but dont allow it limit what you do


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sorry couldnt help my self

i know some theory, its realy cool how everything fits together and sounds good, kind of like math, exept better.
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Old 2004-11-30, 02:52
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No, it is math. All of it is math, and it's not cool, it sucks (only cause math makes my head hurt when I'm stoned). =[

The cool thing about theory is that, as many others have said, I can actually sit down after I play something and figure out why it sounded good. If I tried to apply it on the fly it would be like doing an algebra problem in my head in the space of a second, cause when you're improving that's about all the time you have to figure out what notes you're gonna play next.
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Being able to count to 64 is not math, retards. It's knowing enough to be able to move out of your parents basement.
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my theory on Music theory is as follows:

the reason music threoy exsists is so one can make Pleasent music.
so if you go one note out of your perfect scale and it sounds killer, then it is killer, dont limit yourself with theory, use it to make your playing better but dont allow it limit what you do


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Being able to count to 64 is not math, retards.


Counting is a mathematical operation, retard. I dare you to say it isn't as you quite clearly take your numeracy for granted. There are 2 billion people on this planet who don't even know what a number looks like never mind being able to count them.
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Old 2004-12-08, 22:01
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arnt you in high school?

You can take AP Music Theory...Advanced Placement. Equivalent to a college level class (maybe a little easier) and you can get college credit for it.

As for is it useful to know Music Theory? We'll I don't know any Theory myself...but It would probably be useful to know. If you seriously want to compose music, it would be a plus for you.
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