[QUOTE=Def]why can't you vote?

over here everybody is registered, when you're 18 you can vote. I allways vote for political shit. QUOTE]

Because im 15

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you sweet little thing, welcome back *gives you a huge great hug*
we love you

Def, dont most europeans hate us already? Anyway, im not gonna vote, but im 16, so i cant, and i dont really give a fuck, because theres no way my teenage mind can possibly comprehend all the trappings of world politics and government. All i know about politics is that i hate fucking teenagers who care about shit they cant control because their not 18, fuck them.

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MY opinions on some of the topics brought up in this thread:

1. Osama and his fanatical cronies will stop at nothing to free their so called muslim lands of any western influence. As they are fanatical, they will not stop until everything is exactly how they want it. That means getting rid of the jews, who have just as much right to be there. It means getting rid of any democratic influences (apparently voting is against some of the teachings of the Koran). In order to successfully negotiate, both parties have to be willing to give or take a little. Therefore, the use of force really is probably the only way we can get rid of the cunt. Kerry is not going to stop anything, everytime the US gets attacked in the future he will most likely just fire off the odd cruise missile like Clinton did.

2. The UN is relatively useless. Of course they have had a positive effect on a lot of events in the past 50 years, but they discuss and negotiate far too much. Black people in Darfur have had an extra month to get raped and butchered by the Janjaweed because the UN is too slow to get troops in there. The Sudanese military don't give a fuck what the UN thinks, so talking and threatening isn't going to do shit. Sanctions can be weakened through corruption that is so obviously rife in the UN (eg. Iraqi food for Oil program). So Bush doesn't completely comply with the UN about Iraq amongst other things. Well someone has to do something about oppressive dictators (and you can't be serious about Bush being a dictator or anything like that). There's a saying, the only thing worse than making a wrong decision is making no decision at all.

3. Of course the US didn't win WWII by themselves. Yes, Britons, Russians, frogs and others fought like mad against the Nazis. But when the Yanks entered, they turned the war on its head. Not only did they help most of the European allied countries, they helped stop the Japanese advance through south-east asia and made a huge contribution to Australia's freedom.

4. As others have stated, Kerry mentions all the things that he will do to make the US better without going into specifics. The only time he goes into specifics is when he talks about his Vietnam war action.

5. Bush is clearly not the most intelligent person on the planet, no shit. But he's got smarter people behind him. I completely disagree on his religious based bullshit opinions (eg. Stem-cell research, homo marriage etc.). The fact that he looks to a preacher for answers to his questions is disturbing. However, you need to prioritise, is stem-cell research more important than cleansing the world of fanatical muslims? I don't think so.

That's why I would support Bush.

PS. The reason why Sweden hasn't been involved in any wars anytime recently is that they are treacherous surrender monkey hippies. When Hitler approached Sweden in WWII, Sweden just let them pass through to Norway on the condition they weren't attacked. Norway, with its extensive coastline and proximity to Britain, was more important to the Nazis from a strategical point of view. As the Norwegians were expecting a coastline attack, they had no chance when they realised that the Nazis were coming through the Swedish border. Congratulations Sweden, the biggest thing you've done in the last 75 years in regards to wars is help the Nazis in trying to reach their fascist and rascist objectives. Good luck to you when the Yugoslavs eventually try and take over your country.

And to yanks, why should you care so much about what europeans think of you? Generally, they're weak and scared and not willing to do anything about the worlds problems.

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i like the last part... very funny.

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thats quite a mouthful.

well it appears i have some of my world views incorrect. oh well ill do it later im too stuffed right now

ok before you flame me i give fair warning... i am too fucking lazy and did not read the entire thread... i also have a pretty good buzz going.

i am voting for bush for a handful of reasons

1. i hate liberals with a passion, they can go fuck themselves and their anti war, anti this anti that political correct bullshit

2. i hate muslims as much as i hate liberals, if not more. they're fanatic bullshit needs to go, and if that means removing a religion or section of the world from existence i'm all for it

3. he takes care of the people that take care of us. meaning the soldiers. i respect people like soul highly(as well as the many other soldiers). i tried to get in but had an illness that kept me from joining (i tried 3 times). it is human nature to wage war.. we will never escape this, therefore if we cannot escape what is imprinted in us we may as well be damn good at it. i agree with his proactive stance.. and yes they did find WMD in iraq but the press hid it.

4. bush supports the second amendment. i own many guns and i support the right to shoot some piece of shit who tries to take my loved ones or my possessions away from me. i worked for what i have and if someone wants to take them they deserve to die or be maimed for the rest of their worthless life. thinning of the herd so to speak.

5. i support things like the death penalty for trash. you think anyone would die if the liberals have their way? no, we would "rehibilitate" them. what fucking ever

6. i don't like abortion, everyone deserves a chance, but we also deserve the chance to kill them or abandon them if they are garbage or suck up welfare

7. i like bush's reforms for welfare, you want to live off it? fuck you get a job.

8. oh gays piss me off too, they never did before i went to a liberal arts school with "gay pride day" and "rainbow alliance day" fuck them they wanna fucking throw it in my face then i'll vote against gay marriage just to spite them

9. john kerry is a fucking piece of shit terrorist. and i swear the fucking democrats have become the communist party... hello assholes communism didn't work any other time countries tried it....

that about sums it up, i'm sure i could articulate more or hit more points but i can't think of any... and i propose a question to all you metal fans

so a good chunk of metal revolves around death, violence, hate, war etc etc etc. and consequently that is one of the reasons i like metal.. therefore why not support a war that gives all that. i thought there would be alot more bush supporters among metal fans... i know all the metal fans around here i run with are all avid far right conserveativs, some even bordering on far right fascists. just a question too you all, sorry for the long post but i had to say it

the other bush supporters had excellent reasons as well, good job guys

oh and kerry supporters... fuck you

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I particularly agree with point 2. Down with Islam! (and religion altogether, but particualrly islam).

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i'll drink to that

ok really i'm going to bed now

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What? Did you actually say that? Seriously? How did they get the Bush administration in on the conspiracy?


So does Kerry. There's no difference between the two here.


This statement shows no understanding whatsoever of either communism or the Democratic party. The two major parties in the American political system are only 'right' and 'left' in comparison to each other; on an absolute scale, both hover as close to the center as they can without pissing off various voting blocs who hold a more extreme stance. Your average American is just that: average. Communism is more than a desire for welfare and an objection to a laissez faire attitude towards big businesses.


There's a large difference between being interested in something gruesome and hoping it will happen. A lot of people who like horror films would get sick watching a snuff film or an actual murder. There is a great difference between enjoying a fiction and enjoying that reality, and I'm sure you know that.

Besides, war was introduced as a subject in metal as a holdover from hippies, and a lot of notable songs reflect that ('War Pigs,' 'Fight Fire With Fire,' 'Rust in Peace'). Slayer seem to have a fascination with it but never call it much more than a dehumanizing killing orgy in any song I can remember. I can't offhand think of any band that goes against that, but I'm just relying on memory and could easily be omitting something obvious. I know some black metal bands go against it, but I don't listen to black metal.

By the way: It should be obvious based on the points I avoided addressing that I have no interest in getting bogged down in a political discussion. I don't want to argue with your political opinions, I just had some problems with your argument and wanted to answer your ending question.

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goddamn. You really know how to tear someone's argument into little pieces and then destroy each piece, one by one. I still say go Bush, and down with towelheads!

While i'm on the topic of religion, I heard on the news recently that Ferrari were going to make a special Popemobile for John Paul II. Hey johnny, do you think it would be better to have them spend the money on some starving Eritreans rather than your withered alzheimers-infected cadaver? Corrupt catholic fuck.

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exactly, only a fucking moron would vote for wars.

just my opinion though, but its so fucking typical, Bush said 'I will attack a country that threathens my country, I will not wait for the to make the first move'
Hello. how fucking dumb can you get.

for the what to make the first move? Pre-emptive strikes are good. Prevention is better than any cure.

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who cares which country it is, invading a country without proper evidence is just not done.

your so called 'cure' has really helped America lately hasn't it

[QUOTE=Def]exactly, only a fucking moron would vote for wars.

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i'm up... remember i said i was drinking, let me clarify what i can

i'm a moron i guess because i vote for wars, peace is a sad impossibility... i would rather be good at the reality than die for a false hope.

also kerry does not support the second amendment. his party and himself want to restrict lawful gun owners to the point that if they pull the trigger to defend themselves they are criminals. things such as the brady bill and gun registration are all from the kerry group. also kerry has voted against guns every chance he had, even taking time off the campaign trail to vote against them (the only vote he appeared to cast). furthermore the second amendment that he supports is an amendment that says its only right for militias to keep and bear arms, that it is not the right of every individual to bear arms for self defense, hunting etc. even neutral sources noted that kerry's hunting photo's were nothing more than propaganda, his record is completely against it... go read something that isnt founded in the left.

WMD's two instances were recorded involving iraq and WMD's (not counting gas attacks against the kurds since the liberals would insist that things like that are ok because it wasn't our people). first there were convoy shipments caught on their way to syria with ingredients for WMD's. second, at the interrogation of a former ranking officer of saddams army he gave the location to a sealed bunker buried in the desert containing WMD's. this was reported in some papers but was kept mostly silent. Reason the bush admin didn't jump on it was the timing and the fact that they only found a handful. if it wasn't early AND election day i would dig up a few of the articles and link them. i'll try later if i remember.

the communist comment. ok this one you do have me on sort of. this is from personal experience. i mentioned a liberal arts campus. and i should say socialist more than communist.. anyway where i go the rallyers for kerry are actually using the ideals of these forms of government to support kerry. it's hard to explain concretely, it's very much a you have to see it to believe it deal. but alot of the young democrats are starting to think that socialism is the way to go. also alot of academia is saturated with this far left, somewhat marxist view. the problem with that is whether intentional or not it becomes infused with your teaching, either unconsciously or blatantly, which spoon feeds alot of these kids who are not intelligent enough to make their own decisions.

as for the metal comment i was just curious. i guess i'm a pretty twisted fuck and not in the norm. that's cool, just seein where everyone lies

and lastly i agree a proactive stance is the way to go. peace is a false ideal, even in such a "peaceful" country we have murders and crime.. peace is not part of human nature sad as it is. it can and will not happen, therefore i'd rather be secure than peaceful

sorry for the long post again, this is why i wish this board would stay off politics

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Invading a country without proper evidence is done, e.g. Kuwait, Balkan states. Don't you ever read the newspaper?
My so called 'cure' is not the cure, rather the prevention. Read it properly.

These things take time, as there are many points an obstacles to consider. If they wanted to do it nice and quickly it would involve more massacres and human rights abuses than Idi Amin or Pol Pot could have ever carried out. I think that the US have been laying off a bit due to all the international (mainly european) pressure. Plus having the likes of spain chicken out on them doesn't help (you bitches). Maybe if the world stopped squabbling and helped rebuild Iraq, and kill extremist insurgent terrorist fucks, the whole situation there would dramatically improve.

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Cool.

I can't believe people have a problem with the WMD issue. The gassing of the Kurds in '88 is proof enough that Saddam was willing to use them. If Saddam wasn't a) trying to get WMD or b) already had them, then why did he have such a problem with letting UN weapons inspectors into the country?
Personally my belief is that Saddam's WMD's were moved to Syria once he knew that Bush was serious about liberating Iraq (and he certainly had plenty of warning). Syria should be next on Bush's list, that place is full of terrorist scum (actually, a lot of them have moved to Iraq recently).

Another reason why the free world should get behind the US in regards to Iraq is that it has basically become the main battleground for the war on terror. Fanatical muslims have poured into the country from a whole lot of arab countries. They know that if the US gets the upper hand and makes Iraq democratic, the same thing could happen to the neighboring Arab countries.

A lot of you also think that the US will fail. I wonder what made you think that? the press? surely not . It seems that many fail to notice that every time a hostage is taken or a single soldier injured in a car bomb attack, there are big reports with pictures and all in the newspapers. Everytime a new iraqi school is built or coalition soldiers down 50 towelheads in a big gun battle, its lucky to even make the 'World Briefs' column. Fucking biased media pricks. Get fucked.

Keep up the good work coalition soldiers, and kill a few for me

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I don't really read left-wing sources. I'm fairly certain those hunting pictures of him were propaganda, but he does own and knows how to use a gun. I do too, but really only my grandpa's 1904 Springfield. I also know the Constitution: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. If you feel he threatens that, fair enough.


I still find these claims somewhat dubious. Bush keeps taking hits on an issue he could easily deflect? It may not be much evidence, but it's enough to shut people up, or at least stall them for a little while.


Well, you're right there. I really hate a lot of those students. But this is an attitude that's practically impossible to keep up outside of a college setting, where practical worries are suspended and ideas don't have to face reality. Of course, this is also why so many professors keep it up. A lot of these students reverse themselves when they're introduced to the real world and become people they would have hated a few years before. No less annoying, just different. I honestly doubt this will precipitate a major shift left for the Democratic party.

In my experience, actually, there's been a conservative backlash. But my school is as big for its econ department as it is for liberal arts, so I'm not surprised.


The vote's not in yet.


Man, honestly, I do too. I don't want to argue beliefs, and you'll notice I'm not doing anything to formulate an argument against Bush or for Kerry. I just had a few problems with your points. Thanks for clearing them up.


Hahahaha. Sorry, but that's hilariously phrased.

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couldnt agree more

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Yeah, come to think of it I guess it is. How about 'not a dictatorship'

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haha help rebuild Iraq, we can't silly. all contracts have gone to american companys because we wouldn't help you in your precious war against a old crummy dictator.

nice cure by the way. Prevention, my ass. like Iraq was a serious threath? America stuck his nose up the wrong asshole that time.

ofcourse the WTC was a tradgedy but look at all the innocent lives it costed in afghanistan and iraq, hell Osama is probably still around. way to go! many many more civilians died in Iraq and you wonder why there's terrorist actions against your army?

We've got terrorist actions in europe too, today Theo van Gogh was gunned down in Amsterdam a 26 year old fanatic muslim killed him. sad shit because Theo was one of the only well known dutchman that was openly questioning the integration of muslims in europe and their motives. first Pim Fortuyn, now Theo van Gogh

Killing some terrorist is harder then you think, especially if you have 90% of the country against you, face is, Iraq is the biggest mistake Bush could ever make. it didn't solve anything. And it sure as hell didn't do any good to international relationships. (not to mention the reasons for the war are questionable.)

Kerry

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Ooohhh no. Ooooh no. Great. You've got me ranting.

1.) Your reason for hating liberals is moronic, and makes no fucking sense. I bet you think Fox News really is "Fair and Balanced." You follow anything the media tells you. Asshat.

2.) Not all muslims are radical, dicktits, and even saying that, not even a TENTH are. The religion has nothing to do with the way they blow shit up, and fight constantly; Those are the morons with their own beliefs claiming that it is Islam that wants them to do it.

3.) They never found WMDs. They found SCUDs, but we knew they had them. Cock-Jockey. As for taking care of the troops, I cannot argue the point, except to say that we are over there in the first place. That is bad enough.

4.) Second Amendment SHOULD be protected. I can't disagree with you there.

5.) Rehab my ass. Fry the fucker that killed 8 people in a rampage. Not all liberals feel the same way.

6.) Unless you are a female, this is not your decision. Partial Birth Abortion is the only thing that is disgusting to me. It is their business, but women really need to think about what they are doing before they fuck and have to GET an abortion for stupidity.

7.) Welfare has programs to ween people off of it. You are a moronic, inconciderate peice of conservative shit.

8.) WTF does everyone have against gays? They aren't forcing their life style upon you, so why the fuck do you care? I fucking HATE Gay bashers. You should be banned for uttering something as prejudice as that. I bet you are a Bible Thumper, too. Get back to church, cunt.

9.) John Kerry a TERRORIST?! That doesn't even make sense. The fact that you compare him to a Pinko is moronic. This confirms with me that you have no idea what you are talking about when you say ANYTHING.

John Kerry is just trying to fix things that Bush fucked up. And people say he will let us get attacked again? Fucking morons; the guy has voted for increasing our budget. And the flip flop thing? Total bullshit as well. They took video from 2 different time periods, and doctored it so it looked like he was going back and forth on issues.

And the point about "Metal Heads Supporting War?" Holy fuck; what, are you twelve?! Metal may sing about something, but it doesn't actually do it, ass. Malevolent Creation, for exampe; Brent Hoffman never killed anything. Its all just for show.

You, sir, have no clue what you are talking about. FUCK YOU, I may just be back. You cunt. You wasted 20 minutes of my life replying to this (started at 8:39, ended about 9.)

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haha, nice.

Gah. FBS'll have my ass for taking his bit.

MOOOOOOOSSSSSSTTTTT BEEEEEEEESSSSSSTTTTTT LIIIIIBBBEEERRALLL?!?!

Couldn't resist stealing Memmy's either.

Edit:

Change my user title to "MOST BEST LIBERAL" and I swear, I'll never post stupid crap again.

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That isn't Jim's bit, so he'll have nothing. I remember you did a rant a while back, when I as sticking around a bit, and called it PST-style when it sounded nothing like me, either. It's okay to be confident in your own rant/bitch style. That's part of the fun of using the internet to yell at strangers who shouldn't care what you think, but do, and keep up the bitching back and forth until you just want to kill them, so you check their IP and find out where they're posting from, go there, and blow out the pilot light, then wonder out loud about what happened to that cunt you were arguing with a week back who hasn't come around for a few days. Damn, those were the days, eh?

But you did steal the Canniggerian's, which isn't cool out of context.

Ok, at least we all know I've got my shitty bit. Nice to see you not back either.

And Memmy's most best thing amuses the living hell out of me.

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Yesterday I watched Fahrenheit 9/11 of Michael Moore. It is a very interesting documentation ! But I would vote for Kerry.
By the way, in my opinion the american voting system is shit !

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I think fahrenheit 9/11 has some valid points but it's more of a personal campain against bush then a documentary really...

see dude this is pointless and why i hate political discussion at a place that really has no political views whatever. you just went nuts on me because i shared my views and why i'm going to vote. you call me an inconsiderate conservative.. and yes i am just that. however i'm not so naive as to believe that a country cannot be run without two sides, if it doesn't have more then a single opinion then it's a monopoly. and i do read sir.. i read quite a bit. if you have your beliefs that is fine. i didn't call anyone names for their beliefs, yeah i went into fuck this and fuck that because that is a way to rant, but i didn't fucking tear into any liberals in here. i have my beliefs i am far older than twelve and there are ways i look at things which i have made sure to be informed about.

so you know what, i hate to violate what i said but a direct attack on me warrants it... shithead... fuck you

and credit thanks for the debate. at least you kept it mature, sorry if i was a bit vulgar but i was pretty lit when i wrote the first one.

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ahh they just showed the current results of the poll george is winning by 49%

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kerry won the mock election at my school

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The U.S voting system is fucked.


(i voted kerry)

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You have bullshit points. I considered myself independent until Bush came into office. I don't look at party lines, but it has gone too far.

Bush has fucked this country and its foreign relations. Go fuck yourself.

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i would have voted for bush if i could. I dislike em both, theyre bothe ugly fucks, but at least i know bush is willing to stomp more ass than long face kerry will. And i still stand by this:
"if your under 18, fuck you, dont repeat what your parents say" i believe credits to transient for that one.

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Hows an Extreme Right Wing Christian Agenda any different? Whats more important... killing or SAVING LIFES??

.. honestly some people's train of thought amazes me.

Denying gays the right to marriage is blasphemy, the declaration of independence states "All men are created equal" hear that? That means regardless of race, religion, or sexual preference EVERYONE is granted the basic rights and freedoms.

I have come to conclusion that most American's are ignorant racist fucks that blindly follow an incompetent leader without questioning his actions. Which is VERY dangerous. That lack of human compassion that some of you have sickens me to no extent. Your generalization's are defamatory.

P.S. cxmachine, im not even gonna bother to argue with you seeing as its a lost cause and i feel that Credit and others have done an adequate job ripping apart your rant.

RANT OVER, Sorry I just needed to get that out.

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hey you guys... WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE 10th AMENDMENT!? Let abortion, stem cell research, and gay marriage be decided by state. You are all contributing to the death of this most beloved document by arguing over this.

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It dosent matter, their shouldnt be a debate about this. The government is supposed to make sure everyone is equal, not decide if its "ethical" or alright by the bible..

It just completely disgust me that Bush is even mentioning a constitutional ban on gay marriages.

And yes, im aware that I joke around and act homosexual on these boards. This however does not mean I prefer the company of men over women. Nor that it should matter, simple put...

THIS IS BULLSHIT.

Bush is a horrible man with sadistic ideas. Honestly... why the hell do you care what someone's sexual preference is? Just because someone is homosexual dosent mean they run around and ass rape every person they see.. its their decision, their life... and the government should have NO say on how they live it.

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Yes, i know exactly what you mean, its stupid, and one of the reasons i dont like bush. But anyway, the 10th amendment was made so that anything they left out of the constitution would be decided by state. This is one of those issues. Unfortunately though, FDR pretty much ass fucked the constitution with the new deal.

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That was the point of Fahrenheit 9/11, to make people vote for kerry. Michael More didnt do anything but bash bush and talk about how poor his home town is (just as in Bowling for Columbine). Although I would choose a monkey over bush i dont think its right to have a move bashing anybody with out giving another point of view.

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well, if he's the first president to ever metaphorically say fuck you to the U.N. then he's guilty. I admire that.

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this will be my last post regarding politics, i hate drawing these lines on a board that is brough together by a totally different subject. i like bush he has balls and i am very very far right. dissection, man i really don't want to argue with you... this is politics there can be no agreement of polars unless it's dropped because you like me, feel strongly for what you believe. thats cool. i just thought about this while droning at work. as much as we all fucking bitch, if we were all put in a room i have a feeling politics is the last thing we wouldn't get along about. anyway i'm going back to music forums. sorry for the fuss.. though i still stand by my words, here is not the time or place

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Sorry im a nOOb in politics but theres a total of 538 electoral votes right? so that means who ever reaches 270 wins right?
according to CNN bush is winning...

Bush : 193 electoral votes
Kerry : 112 electoral votes

Yeah I was watching that. If you vote Kerry, you are a gay marriage supporter and you hump donkies...not to mention a homo.

Seriously...if Kerry is preident there will be millions of people coming out of the closet so they can have "pride".

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IMO

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yeah, i dont really care about the whole gay thing, except that im a firm believer in the 10th amendment.

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The ratification process of an amendment to the constitution respects the 10th, at least for 2/3 of the states, and that's the only thing that could mandate on the issues you brought up with regards to the 10th Amendment. Of course, assuming the 1/3 of states disagrees, they get screwed over, and constitutional amendments are very, very hard to get rid of if you change you mind, but the ratification process is definitely keeping those principles you seem to be arguing for in mind. To an extent, anyway.

Besides, considering the 10th Amendment with the famous 'necessary and proper,' or 'elastic,' clause, you have to wonder what exactly the Constitution hasn't left, depending on one's interpretation of either or both, to the federal government.

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You seem to think I have a problem with stem-cell research, homosexual marriage and shit like that. Fuck no, bring it on I say. Foreign Policy is the only thing I can think of that I agree with Bush on. But I think i can put up with four more years of the religious crap if it means he's gonna fight muslim insurgents. Then he can't obviously serve another term, and hopefully there will be a government with the same foreign policy stance, but a more moderate stance on most of the other issues. I guess to some degree this is biased though, as most of this shit has no effect on me, except for foreign policy.

And your 2nd amendment is a load of shit, you don't need your armed militias when you have a strong army. Your guns clearly do more harm than good, Michael Moore was right on in bowling for columbine.

And sorry but Ive got no remorse for cunts who want to kill me and people like me because I don't believe in their extremist fairytale bullshit. Kill em All!

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mustaine is all for bush, it suprised me...

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Looks like Bush is gonna win.
I always wondered how WWIII would be like.
My prediction:Next up for "liberation" is Syria then North Korea.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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it's tighter then Hillary Duff's vagina now:

Bush : 254
Kerry : 252

hope you're not fucked for another four years haha!

lmfao nicely put.

Is it correct, that they have to "re-count" the votes in Ohio?
God damn, get rid of these computers and take the good old paper for elections!

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yeah, I think so: http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/

You're almost there Dubya......

goddamn its stupid how each state has its own way of voting. Why don't they make it universal?

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another four years down the shitter then... way to go america!

I'm pretty sure the view on the american people by europeans will be even worse now, I mean, nobody here likes Bush, but re-electing him would be... ah well, forget it, I'de say get back Clinton, at least he had any idea of international relationships.

Yeah, but Clinton was weak. Osama was attacking the US when he was president too (Kenyan and Tanzanian US Embassy bombing, 1st WTC bombing).

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I wouldn't call him weak, at least he was not some gung-ho redneck... But I agree that he should have done more against terrorism. Bush just went his own way but it hasn't made him any friends.

I don't know how British people think about their government allways backing up the USA, but if I where British, I'de probably not agree

Clinton was a fuck up Def. The Sudanese government gave Clinton more than one chance to capture Bin Laden and he turned it down. After the USS Cole was bombed he fired only one Patriot missle that hit an aspirin factory. "Eh that should shut'em up".

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yeah, but remember Bin Laden is the ghost your government created! Invading an harmless dictator is going a bit far, lol. you're suffering the consequences now.

I don't think Clinton was a fuck up, he brought america a lot of good international relations here in europe, which Bush fucked up in just four years.. seriously, theres been a real big change of attitude here towards america, it sucks. Because I love america, though their politics are a complete joke. Bush has as the same IQ as my shoesize. And I have small shoes...

You just made me laugh to the point of tears, while in a silent classroom, I don't think michael moore's republican twin brother could have said it better!

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whats so funny about that??

bush only need one more vote

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someone vote with a bullet.

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fuck dumass bush is gonna win

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A lot is made of the so called 'special relationship' between the UK and America, but I fail to see how UK support for the invasion of Iraq and in turn America fucking us over due to poor foreign economic policy is 'special.'

I think, generally, Blair is seen as Bush's poodle and there isn't that much rebellion against our relationship with America. After all, we're best buddies with the world's most powerful nation! Joking aside, it's fairly obvious that a UK Labour government gets on best with a US Democratic government - just look at the relationship between Clinton and Blair.

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dayme bush won it.

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Our country is fucked now.

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for another 4 years.

good luck man...

by the end of this 4 years its going to take for ever to fix what bush has done. At least im no old enough to go to war.

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hmm ... I am a bit sad that Bush got re-elected. Can't understand it.
If we had elected in Germany Kerry had been the winner. But I say it again:
In my view the political system and the election system is shit !

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4 More years!
Ahahahahahahahaha...........Ahahahahahahahahaha...........ahahahahahahaha But seriuosly though;Ahahahahahahahahahaha!

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True. they should just add up everyones votes to see who wins. But thats too easy for America.

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not you sixfeet. I posted too late.

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they even tried to do some digital votes with touch screens, im surprised noone tried to hack into it or anything

@sodomaniac- do you just mean our system is fucked up or all systems in general?

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there are several points I think they are shit. For example the electors !
The system in America makes no sense to me. sorry, can't understand that a country like USA uses this system!

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yea its pretty fucked

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and the rest of europe is with you man.

Anyways, american economy is a disaster waiting to happen, I hope Bush can solve that.

and the rest of the problems he created.

I saw some reactions in the newspapers here, lol 'idiots choose biggest idiot as their president' was one of the titles

I'm with Eric. This country is fucked. I'm so tired of Bush, that I would seriously move to Amsterdam or England if I could. Bush is turning this country into a bunch of religious nuts that use the Bible as their guide for what is right, and what is wrong. FUCK. BUSH.

Kerry, is not perfect either, and by no means am I saying that. Sure, he has lied; but so has Bush. Bush has taken things Kerry has done out of context in order to make himself look good. Never did he flip flop, and I'll fight that to my DEATH.

Politics in this country are fucked. The electoral college is outdated, and needs to be removed (not that it would have helped in this case, but in 2000, it would've).

Rant over. More later.

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I agree with you both guys... but I've argued over this long enough, it's pretty useless.

look at it from the bright side, after four years, he's finally out of there. I just hope he doesn't make things worse and gets America back on track.

He'd prolly bring WWIII on us before his term is over...

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maybe not a world war, but probably a real big war.

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Hmm lets hope not..

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To be fair and balanced like Fox News says they are, I can't really say that he'll hurt or help the country, except by looking at his trends. We'll have to just play this one by ear.

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How can any of you seriously be on Kerry's side? Think of how many fuck ups he's said during the elections (he's even admitted to them) and think of how many fuck ups Bush has done. Within his whole term, Bush has messed up maybe as much as Kerry has within the last few months...Now think if Kerry was president. Within 2 years there will not only have been fucked up things said...but also done.

He keeps talking about his "plan" to do this and that but he never gets into it deeply knowing that people will see his mistakes ahead of time thus making him lose his chances of president. I had sex with his gay daughter.

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was she a giver?

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She put out and I gave it to HER. I'm a giver....want some??

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I never really liked Kerry. It's not that I thought Bush was great and didn't make mistakes, but at least he is strong. He sounds stupid at times but oh well, it's not like he's the only person that runs this country. I just got a bad feeling about Kerry and I think the only reason he did well at all in the poles is because poeple just want instant change; even unrealistic change. Just because the US would have a different president doesn't mean that things would instantly change in the world. Everything would still suck for at least 4 or 5 more years even if Kerry had won and did a good job. I think things in the US will get better soon so just suck it up if you hate Bush anyway, he won and the poeple have spoken.

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It's Cheney's daughter that's a lesbian.

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I cant be bothered reading through all this shit, but its similar to what happened in Aus at our election not too long ago.
We had a new bloke that everyone thought was top shit, as it came close to pll day they were rated about the same
Now after elections, the other party has complete dominance over the australian political system


oh and on a side not, the last place in the senate here recently went to the family first party(extremist religious group), since all the political parties changed their votes to keep greens(hippie) out

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When ever i get into a political argument i ask why they voted for bush, they either say "Cause im Republican" (good answer.... idiots) or some bs about how they support the war in Iraq.

Belive it or not, their is other factors to consider other than Bush's murder..

like Education.. Economy.. Healthcare.. ect..

But then again most kids I try to have a solid debate with are Wiggers that all support Bush, than change their mind after Eminem released his new song.

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the other thing that is worth mensioning is did they vote?
a lot of cunts may have supported (insert name here) but in the US, voting is volutary, so maybe the majority of people supported (insert name here) and they didn't get an adequate reflection of that because the supporters are stupid kids who don't know shit about the real world, or didn't bother voting.

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As bad as it is having those family first knobs with a seat, Bob Brown (greens leader) is an extremist anyway. That guy is on another planet.

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well he is from tasmania

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and he fucked them all.
I read something interesting the other day. When a person's unemployment runs out, then they are taken off the list of unemployed people. So you've got people on welfare, that are not counted as unemployed. Makes bush's numbers look better.

I dont' like what bush is doing to our environment. He can fuck his country all he wants (hey you guys voted for him). But when it comes to the rest of the world. It's ours!

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I'm just about to leave work, but I'll explain when I get home why this method is severely flawed.

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bring on the rant John.

In canada we vote with the stick method.

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Explain!

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we put sticks in a bucket.
Long stick for one guy, short stick for the other guy.
Works great.

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