I am 14 actually

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and i like sheep. What's your point?

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i was happy to get out for the same reason, unfortunately i cant say it was before the trendy shit

I think he was talking to someone who asked if he was 12.

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ATTENTION TRENDKILL:



Pay attention dumbass!!!

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Pantera fucking rule. Fuck everyone that doesnt like them.

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You like Six Feet Under.

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eat me.

I still like sheep.
(that's what qoutes are for, to help lazy pricks like me)

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Big Phil and Dime fan...
We'll Grind That Axe For A Long Time

lol, just in different bands.


and to chris
yesterday don't mean shit.

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I don't really have anything left to debate, as I've already planted my points, but there is one thing I would certainly contest, and that's the originality of Kyle's vocals. If you had heard him, you'd have heard somebody truly unique. Nobody sounded like that. Nobody. Listen to the bands of that era- they mostly sounded like Steve Souza, Chuck Billy, Tom Araya, Russ Anderson- you hear those people, some of them are very good, but they are largely similar. When you listen to Kyle, there is only one person who sounded like him- Phil. There's no coincidence there. Pantera didn't suck, but Phil does. He's the least original artist I've ever heard. Like I said before, there's a difference between being influenced by somebody else and completely mimicking their style.

I can see where you are coming from.
I've never heard kyle's singing. But if I take what you're saying, Phil sounds like him. So it's not original. Growling comes from the blues man, 1930-40.
Look at pantera's newer album progression though. Vulgar was a massive change from cfh. So in your opinion were they still "ripping" off exhorder. Every album they had sounds different than the preceding album. So To somewhat justify your arguement, Cowboys from hell the album, is (may be) a ripoff of exhorder, then their music changed. (compare phil's vocals album to album..Lower and lower.)

and to call phil unorginal and "he sucks" is just a sensless attack on the guy. Listen to his singing in down, or songs like "hollow" "This love", etc. That's actual singing. Something MANY heavy metal bands lack.

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Phil has more than one voice...

and i find it rediculous that you say he stole someones voice..

WTF??

a voice is unique to yourself.. you cant copy it.

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I never said Pantera ripped of Exhorder. I said the borrowed heavily from several highly popular bands in the area, the only two that I listen to (and therefore remember) are Exhorder and Watchtower. Phil, however, completely ripped off Kyle's vocal style. I've heard Phil in other bands, and while he sounds different, he still never sounds original to me no matter how many times I hear him. I've heard his "singing" in some of his Pantera songs, I'm not sure why you would cite "This Love", because his singing is barely singing, and he soon delves into his screams. His singing is weak and always have been (which is why he relied on somebody else's vocal style for so many years), his bad as a guitarist too. Listen to the new Necrophagia, you'll see what I mean.

The blues reference is laughable. I've heard plenty of blues, I've heard the low, rumbling vocals, it is far from comparable to either Kyle or Phil.

WTF does that mean?

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for someone as "well read" as you (as you so stated)
you are definately hard to get through to.

I was stating that kyles and phils singing was not orignal due to the fact that it originated from other styles. As much as you think this kyle guys singing is so original, i can guarantee you, you are far from correct. My reference was a vague one, mostly relating the singing style how the throaty growls and southern accent of phil (and kyle..i guess) have similarities to early blues.
The only thing laughable is your arguement. It seems from your blatant attacks on phil that you harbor a dislike for the guy, (for your own odd reasons, seeing as you have never met the man).
Facts are. He can sing. He can hold specific keys for periods of time. Which is definately singing. Aside from my point, he can also scream.

I'll agree his guitar ability is questionable. What does that have to do with what we are discussing? Nothing. He has never played guitar in pantera.

And if you are only saying that pantera borrowed heavily from other bands, than you are saying pantera is a band like any other.

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it means six feet under sucks ass therefor you, and your opinioin does as well.

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i think six feet under is a crapy show my parents like to watch...

ChrisRezendes: yelling/screaming has been around since the first cave man sat his ass on a cactus needle, you cant steal it, because its not a style of singing, its somthing you do when you get scared at night and run to your mommy (im sure your very familiar with that)

btw: i dont mean to insult screaming as vocals for metal music, it happens to fit with it quite nicely.

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Yes but screaming for a style of music, rather than in fear or pain, has actually not been around that long (I think). Whetev I'm not in this argument.

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Just for starters: you all know this all started as a Pantera fan site ages ago, right? I'm not the only one who thinks this is funny, right? Right?

Phil definitely used to sound a lot like Kyle, and I'm sure most of it was deliberate, but not all of it. There are elements of it in his speaking voice, and have been for as early as I can hear, and every other incarnation of his singing voice has retained some of it. Now, true, that could all be one huge elaborate scam, but I don't get it. Keep in mind most of the thrash singers you cite are from the Bay Area, not New Orleans. But the strength of the influence is undeniable. I refuse to agree with the people who say they're just pale Exhorder imitators - I have obth of Exhorders albums and they don't do much for me - but I definitely see their point.

Anyway, my problem with Pantera is this: the more I think about it, the more it seems like it was just Phil. I mean, look at it: they had three crap records, then Phil joins on and they come out with Power Metal, which is a very good record straddling their two real phases. Then there's Cowboys From Hell, which is still straddling but pushing forward to where Vulgar Display of Power's not really a surprise. They've made the remarkable change from glam to hard-hitting motherfuckers; the first few songs off Vulgar Display and Far Beyond Driven make your jaw jutt out like Mussolini. Phil gets meaner and they get uglier, in the cool, musical way, with FBD and The Great Southern Trendkill. Then they take the big break and we get Reinventing the Steel, which is still pretty good but doesn't really do anything, they're not connecting. Why? Phil's feet are getting itchy. He leaves. Down produces a hell of a sophomore album, and Superjoint Ritual makes the album that goes the logical step beyond Trendkill. Dime and Vinnie do nothing for a while, then run down Phil's other projects, then get back together and make DAMAGEPLAN, which sounds like people doing a bad job of being Pantera. Dime doesn't sound like himself, he sounds like somebody playing Dime-style riffs but without the spark. Vinnie's doing Lars Ulrich level stuff. And they get a vocalist who sounds like he's doing a Phil impression - which is funny, if you think about it being a second-hand Kyle impression - but not making it. There's nothing there to the whole thing. When Phil's gone, the soul drops out. And it breaks your heart, because Dime and Vinnie should be doing better.

Anyway, all that doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the music itself, which I enjoy greatly, if not as much as I once did. Damn good band. Glad I had the chance to see 'em live. Their CDs still make my rotation, which is hard, because there are many, many CDs fighting for space, and a lot of the time I'm not in a metal mood at all.