Hey all, im looking for a half stack to buy. Currently I have an Ibanez TB50r (need to get rid of that thing) and a GNX3 as my pre amp. Im looking to get rid of both for a half stack. I dont want to spend to much on it because this will be my first one and I don't want to go balls out on my first purchase. I'm looking at around 500-700 for the head and cab (combined). Im looking for something that is good for death/black/trash/speed/metal. Basically anything from mayhem, dimmu borgir, slayer, satyricon or cannibal corpse. I have looked at some peaveys and they seem good, I looked at the B-52 half stack and it looked good but then read the thread on how the B-52 sounds like "ass" so im backing off that idea. Well with that said can some people point me into a direction. Remember the price thing, dont reply with "well if u are willing to spend "x" more you can get this". K, thanks in advance.

used crate bv120h & marshall 1960a cab.... easy and good.... right in you price....

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I looked for them on the net and I found the head for 600 (used) and the cab for 500 (used). Thats alot more than im thinking of paying.

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Iv been looking and iv found a head that I like. Its the Peavey XXL 100W. I have found it on ebay for under 400. As for the cab I don't want anything to expensive just something thats built like a tank and is loud. I have looked around and found the Behringer Ultrastack BG412H 4x12". So tell me if this sounds good...

Peavey XXL 100w Head with a Behringer BG412H 4x12" cab

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I reccomend the peavey XLSupreme. I have one, you lose a channel, but pay 119$ less for new, and you can still get a good cab/speakers for it.

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I was looking at the XLSupreme too. I think im going to go a check them out. I wasn't to sure about the XLSupreme because I found some mix reviews. Do you have any sound clips from yours? Also what cab do you have for it?

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it wont sound as good as a bv120h on a 1960a that's for sure. hell, the bv would even be a little louder.
those behringer cabs blow goats.... the xxl aint that bad, but there are much better heads to be had for the price.....

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^ listen to him, he dosent lie

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damn dislex im starting to think your paid by marshall and crate to tell everyone to buy that rig

seriously thouhg im prob going to get that rig come next paycheck, or the one after

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lol

He likes the Cab because of the Speakers... the marshall name means nothing.
And ive played a BV recently, and DAMN i was so surprised. I can get some mean sounds out of that thing... im thinking of picking one up for a backup or something. the 60w heads go for crazy prices.

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lol....
can you tell me a better rig that is that cheap???
i don't care that the blue voodoo is crate, but it's a good amp no matter what name you put on it... and the price is awesome....
the marshall cabs are not only well built with a good namesake, but they come stock with great speakers(usually celestion g12t-75's but vintage 30, and greenback style 1960 cabs are also available.).. once again, good for the money....

personally i don't own either... if marshall and or crate would endorse me, i'd gladly play it though.....
but you kinda have to be good enough to go somewhere or currently going somewhere first... so i doubt that will happen anytime soon.

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yeah, i dont have any clips, but i have a ampeg cabinet with v30s in it, it sounds pretty good, although id like to upgrade...

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Get that! Get that! Get that!!!!!
The ss-heads will conquer the forums!!!!

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ah shut your porktrap you silly german, I just robbed your country of another Engl amp yesterday (In Sassenberg, unter Osnabruck)

anyways, I'm off for four days of drunkyness and metal!!!

Silly German, SS Amps are for kids!

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no they wont.... ever....

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I looked at it and have desided to get the Crate and Marshall stack. I head that the stock tubes were "shit" in the bv102 head, is that true? Bust besides that all the reviews said it was a very good amp with more distortion than ever needed. Just have to sell my old stuff first then going to get it . One more thing, about how much is shipping for a cab over ebay (i know distance matters but just an estimate).

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shitty tubes in the bv? ..... maybe the preamp tubes, but the poweramp tubes are groove tubes, and i like em just fine.
in the end though.... if you don't like those tubes, www.eurotube.com can hook you up with all new JJ's preamp & poweramp for like $100... he just hooked my guitarist up with a full set of hand picked jj's for his 5150... it was only like $100 u.s.d.
you'll probably want to retube it soon anyways because who knows how many hours have been put on a used head.

as for shipping.... eh... the head might be like $50-ish depending on who the person goes through. but the cab would be quite a bit more... because it's bigger and weighs more... i'd highly suggest trying to find a used 1960 cab locally.... hell the head too if you can...
but for me it's all a matter of where i can get the best deal.

head local at a shop for $350... or head online for $325... well, after shipping the one online would cost more..... ect.

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http://www.dougstubes.com/ is also great. Both about the same price and both awesome people.

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Does any one know were I can find some sound clips of the Crate bv120h in action? I want to hear its distortion and the tone of it before I make a purchase. I don't think my local Guitar Center carries it so I can't try it myself. I would have to drive over 100 miles to get to the nearist dealer, lol.

With the crate can I easily get tones like Children Of Bodom, Dimmu Borgir, and Slayer? Also goes it sound good on palm mutes? I have played some apps that sound fucking awsome when palm muting and others that sound like ass when you do.

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store, go, play

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Thats y I cant.

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i dunno about the bv120h... but jack owens used a bv300 on the last cannibal cd..... and cannibal is like the deathiest of death.

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My god yesterday i actually tried a BV 120h, it was pretty good, the guy said he would give it to me for like 1200 canadian, reg price was 1500 i guess, but i dunno it seemed like he was trying to "sell" it to me if you know what i mean.

btw for the cabs that go with the BV 120 what kind of speakers do they have, the guy said they had vintage 30's but i think he might of been lieing about it since i mentioned that i wanted a cab with v 30's or gt 75's

some bv cabs do come with vintage 30's, the more expensive ones.... and it will have a decal on the bottom right that says v30 equipped..... the other lower end bv412's are the most shrill, pussy,harsh, cabs with noooo low end.... all because of waayy shitty speakers....

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oh well, it doesnt matter because i wont be getting that cab

Not really. Theres plenty heavier bands now. Maybe 10 years ago they were the deathiest of death. Dont get me wrong, I love Cannibal Corpse. On their new album I mainly just hear the triple Rect.

About the Blue Voodoo. I actualy didnt like it when I played it at Guitar Center. Apparently the newer ones are not as good.

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Yeah CC may not be the most brutal band out there.

But strickly speaking about tone i agree with xdx

i didn't say they were the heaviest of heavy.... i siad the deathiest of death .... when most people think death metal they think cannibal corpse. they're like legends of death metal....
and you can actually hear the bv300 pretty well on the cd.

i don't like the newer ones(bv150) as much....i think the bv60h and bv120h are the best.... i mean, 300w i nice for headroom and shear power, but c'mon, it can sound pretty damn cold if you don't have it turned up to a certain point...
all bv's sound good imo though, just some more than others.

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Im gonna have to try some blue voodoos out again. See how I like them. I didnt give it that much of a chance the first time I played it.

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I have also been looking at the Spider II head. I have liked line 6 products in the past so yea... Any suggestions on the Spider II head? I have narrowed it down to this....

Heads:
Line 6 Spider II
Peavey XLSUPREME

Cab:
Marshall 1960a

I don't want to spend to much seeing as how I don't want to be in debt.

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i personally don't like the spider II's.... or spider I's
the peavey xl supreme is the tube one right? if so then it isnt bad... much better than the line 6, though i still think a bv would take either of em out...

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Ill take the Peavey XL supreme over the line 6 spider if i were you.When i tried the line 6 spider II the distortion sounded fuzzy.Dont like it at all but thats my opinion.

God no

umm its a solid state.

heres an idea
sell your digitech for 150$ and get these.

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why the hell would you be stupid enough to spend that kind of money on that cab???? you could buy one new for that much....

and that pedal.... not hot shit.... plus he'd need something to run it through.


k then never mind. it wasnt the one i was thinking it was....

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i went to the shop today and tried out the line 6 spider II head/cab i for one wasnt very impressed by it

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Spider's are for posers.

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I went to my local guitar store and saw a used Marshall valvestate VS100 half stack. I tried it out and it sounds pretty good. The distortion isnt brutal so I got a Boss M-2 and hooked that up. I was really pleased with the sound. It is selling for $550 for the full half stack and then I found this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...3742894453&rd=1 on ebay. I wasnt expecting much from this amp for the fact thats its a discontinued marshall but im surprised by the sound of it (with/without the M-2). Im thinking of getting this and then a 1960 to add on, what are your takes on it? For me money is the key factor in this because I have almost nothing (that plus what im going to get for selling my old guitar, amp, and gnx3). So for the money do you think this is a good start? I plan to buy an extra cab soon after and a distortion pedal if I purchase this. So yea any comments beside "marshall sucks", because thats what I thought about it before I gave it a chance?

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you can get e better sounding tube amp for that price.

Blue voodoo's go really cheap.

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Iv seen them on ebay and they are going for 400 or so, then add a 1960 and thats like 900 (include shipping ect). Whats the cheapest u have seen a BV120h go for on ebay?

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Those prices dont meen anything. I meen what have you seen them go for when the auction closes? Those amps could end up to be 400+ by the time the auction is over.

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Do you meen just the head of the head and cab? Im not going to get a tube amp and cab for 550.

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i also tried one of those out today (it was used) the tubes must have been really shot cause its sounded like pure shit. it probably sounds pretty good with new tubes though but 550 for a half stack, you aint gonna beat that

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Yea I would probably get some new tubes to put in once I could get the money.

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Thats not a full tube amp.

It only has preamp tubes. But the poweramp is all solid state.

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you'd be suprised.... used bv120h's normally go for $350 used. then $150-350 more on a "good" used cab(not something cheap like a b52,behringer,ect.)... walla.


as bls said, not a full tube amp.. it's hybrid.
tube preamp and s.s. poweramp. which is retarded really because the majority of "tube tone" comes from the poweramp and not the preamp...

and the way preamp tubes work, i doubt they would be shot because they last for years and years, like 3 or 4 times longer than poweramp tubes...
alot of people don't like the avt's and valvestate stuff. you're not alone.

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Whats another good cab besides the 1960a?

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I saw a 1960a go for $350 last night on ebay, it had one bid and was in perfict condition... Maybe there is hope for the 1960a being in rig after all.

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dont forget if you get it off ebay to calculate the 75-100 for shipping

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yea i know. Any other stacks i should look at besides the 1960 that are possibly cheaper new or used?

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I like peavey...5150 II head or 5150 head, with a crate cab.

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What crate cab? BV series?

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Iv been looking at the 5150 and didnt know they were this cheep (around 400-500) so i think im going to get that and a cheap yet good cab. Any good ones for cheap?

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Holy fucking christ, GET IT!!!!!!!!! 5150s are like $1,000 dollars. I don't know much about the crate cabs, but I remember their sound. It was a lot like the peavey sound, which is why I think they should go together. Or marshall cab with a 5150 head.

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The 5150 cabs sound great with the 5150 and they can be found cheap.

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so what? jmp-1's go for $1000 new... and i bought mine used for under half that. that's what happens to new gear, it loses value big time when trying to resale.
not all crates sound alike. the standard bv412's are pure shit..... yet the bv cabs with vintage 30's sound amazing....
marshall cabs are just good all around cabs and they're fairly priced.

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Would you trust this?
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The feedback from his costomers said it was a great cab. For the money it would be a great deal just not sure about getting it due to the "mystery" maker.

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Dont get that pos.

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i wouldnt buy that thing.... $170 for a new cab? imagine how shitty it has to be.... i mean that's cheaper than most good cabs will go for used....

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agreed. get something that lasts too, like my marshall cab

oooh I love it

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eh your just doing that to post another pic of that pretty head
i like that color red you have for the ibanez though

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Spiders are good for one thing,nu metal, but of course all you need is a shitty tone for nu metal.

Dont mess around. Save up your money and get a good head. Its the key to your whole system. You will never be satisfied going cheap. Try a mesa or a 5150.

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dont let that deal pass you up

Jerry P does great work and i can assure you that if hes touch that map than it will be in prime condition.

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well , you could always pay less and get this

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you can also bias it yourself
heres something that will help with learning to bias

http://www.diyguitaramp.com/bias.html
I hope this helps

I finally made ti down to Guitar Center last sunday. I tried out the BV120H and a few others and I was hooked on the BV. I know that im going to get the BV120H off of ebay, but I was looking at the cabs and they were a little to big for my needs. Since my parents are divorced I will be moving this half cab often and up a flight of stairs by myself without getting dings and scratches on the walls. I plaid the 1960a and it sounded great but I was currious to see about other cabs so I tried it with the BV412 cab and another crate cab, by my surprise they all sounded very close alike. As for this moving matter I was wondering if you could point me to some smaller cabs around the size of the Crate only not 100lbs. I could move a bigger cab that weighs less but the same size cab with more weight would be a problem. The only alternative is to buy 2 once I have the money and then keep one at each place there for only moving the head (i was surprized how much the head weighed for its size). The cab im looking at now is the BV412 one that matches the head. Thanks in advance for all the help u guys have given and the input to this thread, this would be a good starter thread for some one looking to upgrade and doesnt have any knowledge of half stack.

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cabs arent that bad.... wheels are great and most cabs have them.... but you shouldnt be such a pussy that you can't lift one yourself.... get used to it... i'm a pretty small guy and i can man handle most 4x12's.... but my 4x12's are quite a bit bigger and heavier too.
or you could just buy two 2x12's or something from avatar...

DON'T BUY THE BV412 UNLESS IT HAS V30's. for real, they suck.

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Im not saying about that I can't move it im just saying I dont want to get something thats such a bitch to carry around that I wont bother with it anymore. Thats all I was saying.

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marshall makes a pretty good 2x12 cab i dont remember the model but check it out

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ehh... fuck it, ill just get the 1960a or the BV412slant cab, deppending on whats cheaper and sounds better once I buy the head. Thanks for all the help with this people

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I rather carry a cab than a fucking combo.

ANYDAY

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yea my combo is like 80-100lbs and is only 50 watts. Im just thinking about size right now. Hard to fit a 1960a into a car along with a guitar and the head. I am getting a truck soon so this wont be a problem at all soon.

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why not leave your combo at one house and the half stack at the other? or are you selling the combo?

i'm telling you to only by the bv412 if it's the v30 model. you will regret it if you don't listen to me .

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Im selling my combo. I hate it and it sounds like shit (ibanez 50r). If I get the BV412 it will have the vin 30s in it. Right now on ebay the crate cab seems to be selling for alot less than the 1960a. Has any one bought a 1960a off of ebay, if so how much was it? Im guessing about 300 for the cab and 300 for the head then 100-200 for shipping.

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If you want a smaller cab get the marshall 1936 2x12 cab.

I finally settled on a half stack.

Crate GX130CH head (thanks to Innards-Decay for the suggestion)
Avatar Cab with v30s

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congrats on your new amp.

I just noticed that the pic I posted had 525 views, what the hell?

the old s.s. crates like that are weird... i used to have a g1600 xl, man it was good in a weird way... like it only had a couple good uses.... but it did them pretty well and got pretty loud.... took effects pretty well, didn't really have an fx loop, it was like a line out and a line in(not instrument in).... but i normally ran fx in the front of the amp...

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I got the GLX1200h, and so far its brilliant, it has effects, and awesome distortion for brutal stuff. I always practice with the glx because some riffs only sound good depending upon how ur distortion is.

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call me weird, but i actually think alot of crates have a good sound....
my friend has an mx120r (120w s.s. 2x12 combo).... the cleans are pretty nice in that sterile/watery way, and the distortion is pretty usable for alot of high gain stuff with beefy chunk and haronics...

one of clifton's guitarist has a crate gx220t (220w s.s. head with built in tuner) with a carvin 4x12 and a crate 2x15 cab, his guitar is an epi les paul with duncans...
and i'd say his tone is just as good if not better than the other guitarist who has a dual recto, marshall 1960a, and i think a peavey ms412, and a les paul with emg's.
maybe it's just me.... but his shit sounds pretty good.

never been a fan of the gfx series and i'm not to familiar with some of their newer s.s. stuff either.

i have alot of love for the bv's though. they just sound good.

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you better post a clip of fucked with a knife when you get it jacob!

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so whats this Crate GX130CH? Is that the one that CC used? Gimme more info cuz im curious..

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um, i know it had a 130 in it somewhere, but the GX series is a little more current... i think it was a g130ch... like a 130w version of the g1600 xl that i had but with chorus instead of reveb i beleive... because in one of the live preformances i've seen on a friends dvd he had one that looked alot like my g1600 xl... but with a big rack of shit next to it...

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the gx130ch was used on the bleeding i know, and im pretty sure the other amp was a crate gt100 stealth series... both good amps, but i like the gx130ch better.

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Are they tube or ss? And how much would on of these things cost?

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s.s., but the stealth series are tube. and it's crate so they're hella cheap.

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I'll DEFINETLY have to try this amp out if it is THE amp used on The Bleeding. They get some fanastic tones on that album.

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Hell yeh, The Bleeding has a fucking killer tone, so thick.

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yeah, its thick, but the mix is WAY too guitar heavey... worst production theyve had after eaten back to life

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Im not sure what your talking about. Guitar heavy? Meaning, the guitars are too loud; not being able to hear the bass, drums and vocals well? If thats what you mean I hear the Bass perfectly (which goes fanastically with the guitars), drums I hear fine same with the vocals. I think that album sounds great. Decent production too.
Im not sure what you meant though.

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The cd is mixed fine, better than most.

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its mainly the drums, all the stringed instruments sound fine... the drums are mixed so quietly though, i mean theyre there, just not enough.

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Still doesnt sound that bad.

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To make a long story short....
1)went to music store
2)tried the 5150
3)fell in love
4)saving ass off to get one

I the 5150!

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i never said it was horrible, just bad compared to what came out before/when it was out, death's cds in exception to Scream bloody gore had way better production at least until vile, then they were about equal.

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