okay I will be nice to you:

the world records, are for single stroke, pure wrist motion that means ladies and gentlemen, that you can do things like bounce the stick, the Moeller technique or the one handed roll because the aim of these records is all about pure wrist speed, nothing else.

there are worlds records for double stroke rolls (which mike Mangini still holds) there is also the world record for bare handed single and double strokes (both held by Mr. Mangini)

of course if you were to use techniques like buzz rolls, a moeller roll or the one handed roll/gravity blast you would have rediculasly high worlds records and plus it wouldn't mean jack, since all those techniques because of their nature, you can't go round the kit with them (well not like a single stroke roll anyway) I mean I can do a 300 bpm 32nd buzz roll without breaking a sweat but there is no way in hell I could even come close to doing that as a single stroke roll (my limit on a good day is I can pull a 120 bpm 32nd roll or a 16th roll at 120 bpm one handed) hence why we have the world records set out like they are.

bare in mind I was being nice there, because you post reeked of ignorance, no offence, but next time, do a bit of research about thigns before you ask.

(sorry but I just got back from work)

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woah there, noone specifically said the contest was single stroke,not until i looked again at the guiness page did it say it in real fine print, but noone posted to that effect<just a vague reference of 2 hands>, and the 20 hits a second figure with one hand is compareable to a two hand single stroke figure, many people express confusion on which record was indeed what and how many hits was that particular record. first thinking it was a full kit record, i saw that page then i was assuming it was all rudiments 2 hands one drum, then the numbers didnt seem right. i agree doing a record based on rudiments with 2 hands on one drum is not that comprehensive, but nonetheless i can only assume one such contest exists, and that people were refering to it. hence my confusion, lastly, most of my posts consist of ragging on triggers,sorry if its off thread topic, but dude lighten up, and bear with me here, i studied rudiments by myself and dont know all the correct terminology and names, i freely admit, but using triggers to do said rudiments live, as though demonstating a great degree of skill, is more of a gimmick than wearing a mask, im from providence, ,art student costume band capital of the world.even gwar studied at RISD. if thats an ignorant opinion so be it

all drum speed records are single stroke unless otherwise stated.



indeed it is, hence the name the one handed roll, but as I said all drum speed records are single stroke rolls with 2 hands

the ignorance part was about not researching about the speed records, your other opinions are just judgements, I don't care about those, just the bit when you where going on about one handed rolls vs single stroke rolls was a bit silly!

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Hehe.. Im A MAJOR berzerker fan... I've got both the Cd's, DVD And seen them Live...

First it is'nt 20.. But 19(1140 Strokes per minute)..
It was with his Left hand ON the snare drum(It was done by retake after retake after retake, Until he was satisfied by the speed )

He cant ofcourse do it as fast live because it is very very difficult to reach that speed(REALLY :S )

You can hear the insane thing on the track "Death Reveals" from Dissimulate...

Or just listen to Disregard(constant 300BPM Hyperblast )

Death Reveals in the breakdown before the last verse he uses it

I do also quite like the berserker having their cds and dvd and the guy is a mad drummer

Those speeds are incredibly dumb at times!!!!!! But it is so...................Great.

19 strokes... per second? SHIT, SON!!! I'll be a-downloading them!

Wasn't Suffo's Mike Smith the inventor of snare blast? Just asking.

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The snare blast? No.

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ive heard similiar about straight downbeat snare blasts and the suffocation drummer being the first one to use it in a recording.

Whats a snare blast? A blastbeat or like double hands on snare only

what i was refering to was a blast where the snare hits are on the downbeat instead of the upbeat

the upbeat style blast is like the first napalm record or mayhems stuff

the downbeat style blast like nile,origin,dying fetus<most drummers kinda mix it up between the 2>

Downbeat usually sounds more "brutal" whereas the upbeat sounds more "washy". I guess thats it. Amer blasts will always sound more powerful than euro blasts, which is part of the reason why Suffocation fucking owns.

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The Jazz cats were doing it long before metal drummers existed.

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I should be a drummer if i had enough practise i could make a decent drummr i learn quick though

I like the upbeat one better I think cool thanks.

Umm, triggers are a standard. There is nothing gimmicky about them. Pretty much every band in the deathgrind and technical deathmetal industry use triggers on their bass drums, and quite a few trigger their snares. Some guys trigger their entire kits. It has become "The way it's done" in this genre of music. It's not to trick anybody regarding a drummers skill level, it's stricty done to ensure an even sound throughout all parts, especially the insanely grinding fast parts.

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wakeness, ive already had this argument in many threads and i stand firm on my position. i dont care if its common or standardized to trigger, i like the raw sound of real drums and nothing short of it

Me too but that is if you mean simply micing them up for lve performance.

What about triggers? They are really common nowadays.
Loads of band trigger their drums. Its normal...and its not cheating at all.

A sucky drummer will sound even worse if he triggers his drumset.

I've heard tons of folk claim that, even bands.

Or did he invent something else?

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