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Old 2007-06-05, 22:50
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help and inhale vocal info

Heeeellppp. I can do both the growl and the scream, but I do them REALLY loud, and it's the only way I can do them. They sound alright. Kind of like Windir or Viking metal or something. It doesn't hurt or anything but it does have issues. I can only scream for about 4 seconds before I have to take a huge woof of a breath. I eventually get dizzy and you can eventually hear me panting like a dog in between screams.. Does anyone know a way to have the same sound but make it a little easier on me? When I try to make it quieter my voice gets very crackly, and wimpy and it sounds really bad...

Also.. A lot of people had unanswered inhale questions.. Unlike the exhale, I've almost mastered the inhale. I can hold a loud inhale for 1 minute, ahah. I do in the style of prostitute disfigurement but not as good because he's fucking awesome.. and the cleaner kind too.
So heres my explanation:
It can vary a lot, but this can get you started, and you can mess around to get different sounds. If you're a poser, do not do inhales, because to get the most awesome sounds, you have to make ugly faces.

First... Force down the back of your tongue, where you tonsils are into your throat..... It should feel as if you're choking yourself a bit.. Make your mouth a very small O shape and inhale softly. You should feel a soft rumble right where you are choking yourself with your tongue... This is how you do a deep inhale.. It probably wont sound deep at first, and you'll have to work on it.. make your throat as wide as possible, while keeping the choke feeling and you'll eventually get it.. This is what I like to call a wet inhale.. If you obtain control over that little rumble feeling you felt, you can move it around your thoat.. If you move it to the top... I like to call this a dry inhale because you are not using any mucus.. It is more difficult, and it sound rougher, but it can eventually get deeper than the wet inhale...

After you've mastered this you can do the high... That shouldnt be hard... never open your mouth wide like you're screaming.. you'll probably cough... Maintain I small O shape but make your mouth tighter.. Make your throat tighter as well and use the top portion to do a pig squeel noise.. You may not think this sound very good, but once you've mastered it, you can move onto the DUAL VOICE INHALE

This is easiest to start at at a very loud volume.. so if you can do the others at a loud volume without coughing, you're probably ready.. Do the deep one very hard a bunch of times and you'll eventually squeak like the high one... You'll struggle between the two but just do it very hard until you get it... deep is priority.. Although you can probably hear it, to everyone else the high will usually overpower the deep, so make the high as quiet as possible, and the deep as loud as possible.. A wet dual inhale will sound eerie and a dry one will sound brutal!! Try it
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Old 2007-06-06, 00:23
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Haha. By mucus, I meant saliva.
I don't eat boogers.
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Old 2007-07-06, 11:23
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II need some tips on how to get better I can growl pretty good sometimes but most of the time I sound like ___! I wanna know how to do it properly, but need it in words that won't make it seem complicated, I can't do the scream like every time I do it, it sounds like ___! I need some info on that, I really am interested in growling and screaming because I am starting a hardcore punkrock, metal band and I am lead vocals and lead guitar player!!! I wanna sound something like opeth or bullet for my valentine!

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Old 2008-01-31, 02:29
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When I first got my laptop I recorded this to test the mic and the recorder program. My voice cracks at the beginning but I'm kinda happy with the rest. This isn't me at my best but it's pretty good I guess.
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Old 2008-01-31, 23:06
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Old 2008-04-03, 23:17
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this goes out to dying-oath yer close your throght and force the air threw sounds like the best way to do it if you wanna eff your vocal chords
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Old 2008-04-24, 21:38
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Everyone Is Different

Well, personally I think that everyone is different when it comes to the metal vocals, no matter what super-specific genre. I used to be able to do the 'whisper' technique pretty well, and could RARELY get my voice loud...

But what really changed things for me was this:

I went to a Six Feet Under concert in summer of '05, and when they were playing I screamed along with all the (good) songs. After the show I went around talking to the various metalheads there as well as many of the members of the bands that had played that night. My voice didn't sound ANYTHING like me, and it sounded as if I'd been smoking cigs my entire life from birth (I don't smoke...cigs). Less than a month after this incident of extreme yelling and attempts to growl, I suddenly realized that not only did I have EXCELLENT range out of seemingly nowhere, my voice was now loud to the point that it would hurt my friends' ears if I screamed/growled as loud as I could whilst directing towards them.

My entire point is that I simply broke my voice in and then practiced religiously from there. Now, that may not work for some (or even a lot) of you, but it did for me...

Then again, as I said, everyone is completely different

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Old 2008-04-26, 10:25
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Well, personally I think that everyone is different when it comes to the metal vocals, no matter what super-specific genre. I used to be able to do the 'whisper' technique pretty well, and could RARELY get my voice loud...

But what really changed things for me was this:

I went to a Six Feet Under concert in summer of '05, and when they were playing I screamed along with all the (good) songs. After the show I went around talking to the various metalheads there as well as many of the members of the bands that had played that night. My voice didn't sound ANYTHING like me, and it sounded as if I'd been smoking cigs my entire life from birth (I don't smoke...cigs). Less than a month after this incident of extreme yelling and attempts to growl, I suddenly realized that not only did I have EXCELLENT range out of seemingly nowhere, my voice was now loud to the point that it would hurt my friends' ears if I screamed/growled as loud as I could whilst directing towards them.

My entire point is that I simply broke my voice in and then practiced religiously from there. Now, that may not work for some (or even a lot) of you, but it did for me...

Then again, as I said, everyone is completely different

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largely it's because being in a loud adrenaline increasing environment did "break your barrier"
you learned how to actually project.
adrenaline and passion
aswell as having to hear yourself
WILL help you increase your vocals
thats why when i go to a show that my band is playing at I throw down and get in the pit, listen to heavy music on the way there and kareoke to it, etc.
move around alot on stage, cuss at the cowd, etc
really really helps.


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Old 2008-07-21, 18:14
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Disfigured you actually answered your own question in your post. You don't have the lung compasity for the exhales BECAUSE of your inhales. Doing inhales over and over actually decreases your lung capacity because you are not actually drawing enough oxygen into your lungs while doing them. There are various exercises that can be used to increase your lung capacity but your best bet is to cut down heavily on doing the inhales and just focus on the exhales. They'll get there eventually with enough practice.
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Old 2008-08-02, 07:48
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^ That actually doesn't make any sense (to me at least).
Can you provide medical/scientific basis to what you said there?
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Old 2008-08-02, 12:40
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I'm not a scientist, nor am I aware of any studies that have been done on the subject but based on 8 years of doing death metal vocals of all sorts I've noticed a decrease in my actual lung capacity whenever I do inhales for extended periods of time. It doesn't happen overnight but over the coarse of a couple months it changed noticably in a negitive way. I theorized this was do to the fact that by slowly pulling in the air for the inhales I wasn't getting the proper quantity of oxygen needed in comparison to the amount that was being used by my body. In theory it would work the opposite if you limited yourself on how often you do them and used them as a building technique as opposed to actual vocals, meaning it would work like holding your breath to increase lung capacity but againan abundance of rest is required between doing so for it to have a possitive result. Made sense to me...
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Old 2008-08-03, 11:15
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^ Well, can't argue with experience either...
I just don't want to trust people just like that and later pass the wrong information to other people who might ask me.
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Old 2008-08-24, 18:03
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alright, i havent read through the many pages of thread here.


my predicament for screaming, sometimes i can get it,

im still experimenting on what works for me. when i do have it, i can get good rasp, no pain whatsoever, but when i swallow, clear my throat, or move to clean vox, i cant get back to the scream sound.

im not sure i am even doing it right, i just think im about half way there

anyone know what i am doing wrong?
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Old 2008-08-25, 10:05
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sometimes that happens 2 me....ur throat might be dry....try drinking some more water or eating a little honey
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Old 2008-08-27, 11:17
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it might be keeping your throat moist i dont really know because i dont sing but ive heard theres special practice techniques you use when switching between singing and screaming i dont think theyd be that hard to find
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Old 2008-09-11, 12:26
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Melissa Cross sucks balls. Worst technique on earth.

Well I woudn't say "sucks balls,: see below for my opinion, but none of what I heard on the DVDs sounded good to me, I have to admit.

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How do you go from the marge simpson voice to the scream? I bought the zen of screming but i thought she was really vauge when it came to screaming. I cant figure out how to go from the marge simpson voice to a scream

She doesn't even really go into it until Zen of Screaming 2, which is separate (I mean, unless you bought them both at once, and you seem not to have), which disappointed me. The exercises could be useful for anyone though, esp. if you havent had vocal lessons in the past. In all honesty though I found the DVDs to not be very useful for what I was going for (black metal) because she just goes over low death growls and screaming and vocal fry. I mean it wasn't directly useful, it's not that I didn't get anything out of it. I don't regret buying them, though, it was interesting to hear her talk about things and see the camera-down-the-throat footage and so on.
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from the ground up? i have absolutely no idea
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I sound like I'm whispering and it's really embarrassing since I've always thought of myself as a vocalist. I'm only 16, so does this have any effect on my abilities as a BM/DM vocalist? Any help would be appreciated.

Practice! I've seen so many people try to explain BM vocals but I still feel the only thing that works is practice. Play some CDs of band you like and know the words to. Scream along. Have fun and gain confidence by singing along and trying different things (rather than just imitating your favorite vocalist) and then try to develop a style that works for you. And have something to drink nearby to ward off coughing fits. It is also good clean fun to listen to non-BM bands and scream over them doing BM vox.

I really don't think anyone can explain it. Just be more vocal in general. Do stuff with your voice. Imitate your pets. Growl/scream along to CDs. Don't be self-conscious, just realize that sometimes you will sound silly and get over it. I honestly think the biggest barrier is that people don't practice and experiment enough.
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Old 2008-09-12, 13:32
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WTF??? how can a diaphragm make a sound???? man you guys are realy confusing me.. what are those vocal chords for???
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Old 2008-09-12, 14:33
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the diaphragm doesnt exactly make the noise itself but puts force behind it.....to get a better understanding of it n i hate 2 say it go on youtube n search "how to scream".....theres a few good ones that will come up
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Old 2008-09-13, 10:54
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I know the use of diaphragm but these posts are confusing me... lol
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Old 2008-12-05, 17:49
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