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Old 2004-07-08, 20:01
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At the way music goes nowadays, I would be happier than a busload of retards on the way to Chucky Cheese if this way a copy of anything they did RIP or before. I make joke.
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Old 2004-07-08, 22:52
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Megadeth: D. Ellefson is sueing me and Megadeth

MEGADETH mainman Dave Mustaine has posted the following message on the band's official web site:

"Here is what I have been saying in the interviews, what happened chronologically that caused the demise of the band, why [drummer] Nick [Menza] was fired, [guitarist] Marty [Friedman] quitting, records turning out the way they did, and finally me walking away.

"When 'Countdown To Extinction' came out, the band and I were ecstatic to have a number 2 record. But if you could believe this, also during that time there were a lot of the 'movie-type intervention group therapy meetings' with me in the middle of a session of what rapidly was referred to as a 'Dave Bashing' session.

"There were all of these complaints and trying to get me to stop using drugs, as well as comments about my leadership skills. I remember them all taking a test and grading me as well as numerous other shameful and painful exercises meant to crack me or break me down.

"Well, this really hurt all of us, mostly me. The members at these sessions were Nick, Marty, Junior, Ron Laffitte (manager), Raymond May (counselor), David White (counselor – and not Gadget, the guitar tech).

"Ultimately, it made me start to be very cautious of everything and we instituted a no-drinking, no-drug clause, that everyone would agree to, myself included. There would be random testing and so on, and this was because of Ron's friendship with AEROSMITH's manager and how this 'process had worked for them.'

"I allowed more input from not only management, and the band, but also the counselors and even Max Norman, who had gotten more permission in the next record which was called 'Youthanasia'.

"By the time 'Youth' was done, I had so much inner turmoil that I wanted to leave MEGADETH, but instead I asked to do a solo project. I had been writing songs for the next MEGADETH record after 'Youth' and because 'Countdown to Extinction' had come in at #2 and 'Youth' at #4, Capitol agreed to keep me happy.

"I set out to do a punk metal record with Lee Ving called MD.45, and they gave me $250,000 to do the project.

"As cool as this is for them to have admitted it, Capitol did not market MD.45 at all because it would have possibly interfered with their other priority, the successful band MEGADETH. However, the great people of EMI have allowed me to go back in and re-issue this record, which I am totally pumped about.

"After I faced that I had not succeeded with MD.45 I was ready to do the next MEGADETH record called 'Cryptic Writings'. However, before this record, Ron Laffitte called me to tell me that he was going to be taking a job at Elektra Records, and we parted ways very badly. This is where the phrase you have heard 'difficult' came in. Ron and I have since made amends but the damage of his comments about me and the inside damage to my heart from the 'Dave Bashing Sessions' had changed the dynamics of MEGADETH forever. And to this day, no one has ever apologized for it.

"I had gotten a new manager after Ron left named Mike Renault that I really liked, and he had a partner named Bud Prager that came out to meet me and took over, without my consent, or Mike's knowledge, and started to try to convert MEGADETH to a different band, a band he had managed before called FOREIGNER.

"The first days we talked about the writing of 'Cryptic', how I write, that he wants me to run everything past him, that he was going to assess critically the other band members' music, and he would write with me as a ghost writer. Although you have seen on 'Risk' there was no more ghost writer.

"This hurt me, hurt my relationship with the band, and Bud's relationship with Mike, and most importantly my relationship with you.

" 'Cryptic' came out and while it was really good, it was not really thrash or speed metal anymore. You see when 'Countdown to Extinction' came out, there was another record called 'Nevermind' out at the same time too. And now there was a fork in the road. Does MEGADETH follow the alternative road, does it follow the road it's on, which will lead to going underground, or does it do nothing?

"I think you can tell by the haircuts, fancy shoes, and clothes that the road opposite the underground was chosen, although we never really chose to follow alternative. Yet.

"I was very pleased with the results of 'Cryptic', regardless of the music genre, and relished in the moment. But that was short-lived. The others were fighting with Bud and with me; Bud had convinced me to give the all 10% each of my publishing, which is a sacred way of earning money, one of only two ways you make money off of selling a record, unless you are fortunate enough to get royalties from ASCAP or BMI, of which I belong to BMI. He suggested to buy them out, and he would get them to leave me alone. This is something that he told me was done in FOREIGNER, a band he managed.

"But he never said that he was going to want publishing, that he was going to bring in outside writers, that he was going to give away more of my points to the production team.

"Now, 'Countdown to Extinction' was 2X Platinum, 'Youth' was 1X Platinum, but 'Cryptic' failed to reach Platinum. It did make Gold status in the USA.

"Meanwhile, I had a falling out with Nick about an injury in his leg and the hidden drug problems he was having that was affecting his playing. I let him go, but I loved him enough to stay in close contact with him over the next five years. He told me that Junior has called him all of twice in five years.

"In comes DeGrasso, and I knew him from MD.45, but this was different. Many of my friends told me that he would not be the right guy, and that I was making a big mistake. How could I be making a mistake with a person that played that well?

"I didn't understand or believe them and went on with it. We started to write 'Risk'.

"By now the letters had been going out by Bud to the other band members like 'Your songs are a dime a dozen, maybe a nickel,' 'This is awful, like Ali Baba's 100 Arabian nights.' And this anger for Bud ended coming back at me. I didn't want to have to deal with anyone anymore, and Bud was totally power drunk. His relationship with Mike Renault was on the rocks, and it wasn't long until Mike left Bud's firm. On this record Bud suggested making the song 'Crush 'em' and that we use an outside songwriter that he manages named Brain Howe, the singer of BAD COMPANY. He also tried getting me to write with the Country Music Songwriter of the year, some chick that I would have to move out to Nashville to work with for a few days or weeks.

"Droogies, I did take a huge risk and that was why it was called 'Risk', because even though I felt this was going to be career suicide, 'Cryptic' had done great at radio. I just hadn't learned yet that radio doesn't always translate into record sales, sales which you need to stay in business. It isn't just about the record sales that keep you in business either. If it appears that you are not selling records, you will more often than not be put into a smaller venue, and so on. The noose gets tighter.

"When 'Risk' was done, I believed it was a great record, it just was not a MEGADETH record. Marty has confessed that he and the management, and the A & R department of Capitol were the ones trying to make MEGADETH alternative, and after all of the 'internal terrorism' that I mentioned in Vortex, I just started to give in to this fatal democratic leadership. I surrendered.

"Once 'Risk' came out and we watched the fans freak out that it was not MEGADETH, I said, 'We need to make a metal record, yep we are going to make a metal record!' This is why I believe Marty quit.

"Sure, he will tell you the songs were simple, or my lyrics were dark, or a hundred other reasons, but I think Marty was happy with the fact that MEGADETH was trying to turn alternative; that was until Dann Huff stuck the knife in his back by not telling me that he had not told Marty that he had erased his solo and put a solo by me there instead.

"Marty was visibly hurt, I was hurting for him, and I knew we were just on life support.

"In comes Al Pitrelli after Marty has his nervous breakdown.

"Meanwhile, Roy Lott, the president of Capitol Records made up a fake gold record award to give to me and I couldn't even look at the cameras when they ask us to pose with them. This is because it said to 'commemorate 500,000 sales worldwide' not in America. I purposed hung this record crooked in my office to remind me of who was working on this record.

" 'Risk' only sold 350,000 copies approximately.

"So I started 'The World Needs A Hero' with Al, who was a leader for TRANS SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA, and also SAVATAGE. It took a lot for Al to submit to not being a leader and being second fiddle, but Junior did not allow him to be second; that was his spot, and Jimmy wouldn't allow him to be third; that was his spot.

"So by taking the gig, Al went from the front of the line to the back of the line. I have no hard feelings for Al, he married a nice lady, and I wish him the best.

"Back to the record: When 'TWNAH' was finished, we took it to Capitol and told them that we wanted off of the label, and they said, 'Give us two songs, let us put out a greatest hits record, and don't release this new 'TWNAH' record that we are going to give back to you for nine months so that it won't interfere with our greatest hits record that we are going to put out.' It made sense to me, and we agreed.

"Somehow the A & R guy from Capitol Steve Schner (possibly), and certainly someone from Capitol had sent out what seemed like hundreds of promotional copies of 'TWNAH'. We found them all over eBay, and every person selling them had the same story, which lead to the suspicion; 'We found it in a used record bin in a box on the street in NYC.'

"Sure ya did.

"And this continued for nine months of illegal downloading on Napster and the like, so that when the record finally came out, it only sold a little over 200,000. This is great for some bands, but it was not great for me.

"I was watching everything I had built for 20 years die in front of my own eyes.

"I started drinking in the back of the bus with Al at night, and eventually one day is was in San Diego and was supposed to play an acoustic radio show for KIOZ and found out for all of our trouble and for all of their gratitude, they were playing the song only 2 times that whole week prior to the special show we were doing for them.

"That night I got loaded.

"I eventually finished the tour, but I couldn’t stand to be around any of the guys. Junior would walk up to me on stage and I would walk away, Jimmy would miss parts and timed choreographed segues because he was off of his drums yelling at the monitor man.

"This is the point at the end of the tour I went in to rehab, and where I fell asleep on my arm.

"While I was in rehab, I had told the band's manager at the time, Larry Mazer, that I needed a vacation and that I was having a breakdown, and that he should pull the plug for a while. He didn't listen.

"While I was in the treatment center, Junior, Larry, and the others went to the label and said we were starting the new record and that we need a third of the budget, which was $333,000. And when Sanctuary, the label, asked where Dave was, Larry said, 'On a horse retreat.'

"Now, all of my friends at the label knew I was afraid of horses, and that something was up. So when I got home I told Larry that I was done and that I was firing him and that I was breaking up MEGADETH.

"I told Junior that I wanted to meet him and explain why and show him my hand, which he saw, contrary to his, 'I only know what he told me' statement in Metal Sludge. I told him that I was going to hand everything over to him so that people would recognize him and at first he thanked me profusely, then later that day he started screaming at me in front of my son, in a public parking place. Even though he hurt my son, and me in the eyes of my son, I did not kick his ass.

"So, I took back the offer to have him run the Estate. Junior said, 'If you're going on with your career, then I am going on with mine.'

"I called Jimmy to tell him and his girlfriend said, 'You are not living up to your potential to be a decent human being.' I guess she would [know] what that looks like from experience. And then she called me 'a liar.'

"I wrote the press release and left all of this stuff out because I thought after a year or two that Jimmy would change his attitude, maybe say some good things about his time in MEGADETH, maybe call up, and apologize for his girlfriend's rudeness, but that never happened. And I also tried to keep in touch with Junior, but he always seemed to want to know what I was doing, which I would have told him if he wouldn't have been so rude. He was forgetful that for the last 20 years I took care of him and employed him, even after three last three producers and even his lead guitarist wanted to fire him for not being good in the studio.

"Six months after I last saw Ellefson, I started to play and 13 months later I did a benefit for someone that worked for me and had died. It was very awkward and I left as quickly as I could because I did not want to have to be interrogated by him.

"18 months later I told Ellefson that I was considering doing a new record and that if he wanted to play with me on it, knowing full well that by asking Marty and Nick, that it would be a 'RIP' line-up record, and NOT A REUNION. I stated numerous times to all three of them, 'It is just a record, not a reunion.'

"I told him that the offer was exactly what his share is that is in the original contract that he signed with Sanctuary, which is 20% of all MEGADETH's earnings on the record, and remember, someone had gone to the label and taken $333,000 of the recording fund. I certainly got my share of it sent to me, but it is still sitting over at the band's business manager's office.

"You are now completely up to speed on a simple thumbnail sketch of what happened from 'CTE' thru 'TWNAH' and why the songwriting ruined the chemistry of the band, why the records sales went down, and Marty quit, why my arm got hurt, and I will answer in very intense detail all of the questions on the poll when they are chosen.

"But for know, that's it. I know I did the right thing when I sold all of my personal gear to pay off all of the bills that was owed for MEGADETH, bills that none of them volunteered to pay.

"I wished they would have done the right thing by now, but they didn't. And Junior is suing me and MEGADETH.

"Don't worry though, because after you hear this new record and you see me and Nick together, none of this will matter."
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I think the reason marty left is exactly because he wanted to continue to do softer music.

Nick Menza is goofy guy who belives in aliens

and i once heard a story of dave, Marty said one night he was digging threw a pile of puke (could been his or someone elses" looking for cocaine lol...

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Slayer: Kerry King rips into Dave Mustaine calling him a ' Dictator '

In a brand-new interview with Guitar World magazine, SLAYER's Kerry King spoke about the time he spent in MEGADETH as the band's touring/live guitarist. Asked how he thinks MEGADETH would have turned out if he had stayed in the group, Kerry replied, "I played their first five shows, and if I had stayed I probably wouldn't have lasted more than a year, because [MEGADETH frontman] Dave Mustaine is such a dictator and had much poppier ideas than me. It never would have worked. Jeff [Hanneman, SLAYER guitarist] and I used to go see METALLICA and be blown away by how awesome Mustaine was, so I was honored when the call came asking me to help him. But after five shows, I was like, 'I'm in SLAYER and that ain't going to change." That didn't go over too well."




boy, everyone is jumping on the ' lets rip into Dave ' bandwagon. i guess somone should have asked Kerry why Slayer hasnt released a real album in 10 years?
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When Kerry starts writing *metal* again, I might actually take him seriously for chastising somebody for being "poppier" than himself. I wouldn't wipe my ass with sheet music for new songs Kerry has written... I can't wait to see my rating go down now from irate fans of the new Slayerknot.
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Damn YounG. Thanks for that post, so much. I have always felt that Dave was a true metalhead. I have never not believed in what Megadeth could do. I have supported them through even the shit albums saying, "Thats not Megadeth... They are just holding back". From what I read just now, I'm proud to say I was right about Megadeth all along.

Thanks, because I now look foward to the new/old Megadeth more than ever. I can't help but think that if they went underground again after CTE, none of this BS would have happened to Megadeth. Sure, underground sales may not be huge, but are solid and consistant because your fans ARE fans forever. I hope Dave knows this now.

Also, I wished I had the money to have bought one of Dave's guitars back when they were being sold on ebay. I looked at them ever day trying to figure out how to afford one.
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Kerry wouldnt have lasted in Megadeth, his lack of musical knowledge would of got him kicked out quit.
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Oddly enough, I thought Megadeth's last few albums were pretty good, just not the real Megadeth or even real metal. It seemed like pretty good rock, but I'm just not really a big fan of that style.
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I agree that Megadeth's last albums were not metal, but were great for what they were. Dave is very talented and creative at no matter what he applies himself too. Megadeth is some of the hardest music I've ever learned how to play. Even the new stuff has riffs that are amazing.
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Well.... i just got the Promo Cd of "The System Has Failed" ......... MEGADETH IS BACK!!!1 ITS FUCKIGN AWESOME!! Right now ive only heard the first 3 tracks and OMFG! This makes me so happy, if anyone wants it just pm me or something.. you can download it off me using soulseek.

THIS CD KICKS ASS
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Well.... i just got the Promo Cd of "The System Has Failed" ......... MEGADETH IS BACK!!!1 ITS FUCKIGN AWESOME!! Right now ive only heard the first 3 tracks and OMFG! This makes me so happy, if anyone wants it just pm me or something.. you can download it off me using soulseek.

THIS CD KICKS ASS


I said in another thread that you shouldn't write off Megadeth. And I was right.
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I never did......... HA DARKO!!!! HOPE YOU FEEL LIKE A JACKASS!!!
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I know you didn't. My post came out wrong. I was speaking to everyone who wrote them off, the bastards.

God damn, dylan. you got pwned.
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OMG I have got to hear this CD! BLS, I don't have soulseek. Is the CD in stores yet? How did you get the promo CD? If it isn't out in stores yet then do you have an ideal when will it be?

Damn this just made my fuckin day MEGADETH!!!!!! I had a feeling that the new Megadeth would kickass.

BLS, give us some ideal about how it sounds. Are the solos of Chris Poland as thrash as before or what?
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Im not gonna even try and describe how the cd sounds. Soul, if you have msn or something we can try that.
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I'm so annoyed with Metallica I didn't bother giving St. Anger a try. I never will as long as I live, nor any other stuff Metallica decides to put out before they die. Fuck 'em. All my posts seem to be angry today...
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