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Old 2004-04-27, 16:59
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Id take a 5150 over a rectifier anyday.
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Old 2004-04-27, 17:58
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well, the mesa sounds great...

be careful not to burn your lips on that crack pipe man.
many people would take a 5150 over a recto anyday.
i myself could go either way, i'm more of a rack and botique amp kinda guy, which alot of that stuff to me kills the "peavey-peavey,mesa this marshall that" crap.
not that mesa marshall and peavey don't make good heads, but i like having the option of having many different brand names and tonal characteristics in my rack shit, with a head you pretty much just have what you have, if you don't like it you have to get a different one or spend even more money getting it modded & retubed.
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Old 2004-04-27, 18:59
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i'm more of a rack and botique amp kinda guy, which alot of that stuff to me kills the "peavey-peavey,mesa this marshall that" crap.


boogies were the original "boutique" and even today many people still refer to them using that terminology. plus, they make some killer rack stuff. peavey and marshall make rack stuff, too, at lesser quality.

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but i like having the option of having many different brand names and tonal characteristics in my rack shit, with a head you pretty much just have what you have


thats why you see a lot of people having multiple heads. not that either way is better or worse, its just a matter of choice.

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if you don't like it you have to get a different one or spend even more money getting it modded & retubed.


same thing w/ rack gear. if you dont like a piece you have to get a different one or spend more money getting it modded. retubing should be the FIRST thing anyone does to an amp, racked or not. switching out tubes is the simplest "mod" that anyone can do to an amp to change tone. its not like retubing an amp is a big deal, its required maintenance. in fact, retubing some pieces of rack gear can easily cost more than the retubing of a head. for the cost of retubing my strategy 500, i could have bought another pre; i can only wish that it cost as much as the retubing a head.
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Old 2004-04-27, 20:02
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Where are you from? I got a 5150 II head for sale.
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Old 2004-04-28, 01:03
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what about hughes and kettner triamps? ive heard they are pretty awesome, but they are very expensive.
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Old 2004-04-28, 07:52
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mesa doesnt really count as botique... awsome brand and all,i've used a mesa preamp for almost a year and it was great but i sold it and bought a bogner preamp. and mesa's simul class's are the best guitar poweramps out there imo. but they're not really botique.

the thing is with a head, you have pretty much the same componants as a basic rack setup, a preamp and a poweramp. in a rack setup if you don't like a preamp, but you love your poweramp, you can get a new preamp and keep your poweramp. and so on. plus all the other shit you can put in a rack case.

having multiple heads and or combos is very expensive,excessive, and bulky. but if thats your thing than go for it. hell,i plan on getting a couple heads down the road. a bogner uberschall, which has the most brutal distortion on the planet, and an h & k triamp which imo has the best all around tone of any head. but for now i'm all about the rack shit.
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Old 2004-04-28, 15:18
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Anyone heard to new H&K Warp X?? I guess its a tube Warp 7??
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Old 2004-04-28, 15:28
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mesa doesnt really count as botique...


thats your opinion, many people would disagree.

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awsome brand and all,i've used a mesa preamp for almost a year and it was great but i sold it and bought a bogner preamp.


you bought a preamp DESIGNED by bogner. theres a big difference between something designed and something actually built by reinhold. if you dont believe me, try out your hafler next to an xtc or a fish. similar, but in a totally different league.

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the thing is with a head, you have pretty much the same componants as a basic rack setup, a preamp and a poweramp.


you do, but you also lose some of the interaction between those components. you could spend thousands upon thousands on a rack but it will never respond quite like a true head will, and that, imo, is the true drawback of rack gear.

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in a rack setup if you don't like a preamp, but you love your poweramp, you can get a new preamp and keep your poweramp. and so on. plus all the other shit you can put in a rack case.


you can do that w/ heads, too. dont like the sound of your head, throw a pre into the loop. you can get rack cases for heads and just about anything else; you dont have to "go rack" to have one.

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having multiple heads and or combos is very expensive,excessive, and bulky.


expensive? yes. its nice to be able to spend $300 on a preamp and have it get me a close approximation of the head its based upon. for $2000 ive got the basic tones of a slo, an xtc and a recto, in stereo no less. cant really argue w/ that. theyre reasonable facsimiles, but its not the same as playing the real thing.

excessive? no, at least none more than a rack.

bulky? not if its done right. ive seen some very nicely setup racks that include amp heads and they didnt look like something that 2 people couldnt move. i incorporate both regular amp heads and rackmounted preamps into my rack. there are just some sounds that you cant get out of normal rack gear that you can out of a head.

not trying to be an ass, just argumentative.
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Old 2004-04-28, 16:42
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go 4 the peavey 5150
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Old 2004-04-28, 17:50
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thats your opinion, many people would disagree.



you bought a preamp DESIGNED by bogner. theres a big difference between something designed and something actually built by reinhold. if you dont believe me, try out your hafler next to an xtc or a fish. similar, but in a totally different league.



you do, but you also lose some of the interaction between those components. you could spend thousands upon thousands on a rack but it will never respond quite like a true head will, and that, imo, is the true drawback of rack gear.



you can do that w/ heads, too. dont like the sound of your head, throw a pre into the loop. you can get rack cases for heads and just about anything else; you dont have to "go rack" to have one.



expensive? yes. its nice to be able to spend $300 on a preamp and have it get me a close approximation of the head its based upon. for $2000 ive got the basic tones of a slo, an xtc and a recto, in stereo no less. cant really argue w/ that. theyre reasonable facsimiles, but its not the same as playing the real thing.

excessive? no, at least none more than a rack.

bulky? not if its done right. ive seen some very nicely setup racks that include amp heads and they didnt look like something that 2 people couldnt move. i incorporate both regular amp heads and rackmounted preamps into my rack. there are just some sounds that you cant get out of normal rack gear that you can out of a head.

not trying to be an ass, just argumentative.


bogner designed... yes i know, but compare it to a regular hafler preamp.. it beat the shit out of them.
then compare it to the bogner fish, most would probably say fish is better,(personal taste), no matter which way you go, for the money... holy shit you can't arque that the triple giant is a better deal.

you seem to be under the impression that all preamps are just based of a certain head... some are, but many arent. you'd be better of using that arguement against digital amps.

but talk all the crap about rack gear you want, i like my shit better than many tube tops out there, heads are great and all,hell, there are a few that i plan on getting. but right know i'm trying to get together something with a bit more control for what i'm doing.
rectos,jcms,and 5150's are what everybody uses these days, i get such a more unique tone that doesnt sound like every body elses. and when i do go for heads they wont be just another trendy recto amp that every body and there mom swears by.

anyways, can we get back to the subject? 5150's and such...
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Old 2004-04-28, 18:43
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bogner designed... yes i know, but compare it to a regular hafler preamp.. it beat the shit out of them.
then compare it to the bogner fish, most would probably say fish is better,(personal taste), no matter which way you go, for the money... holy shit you can't arque that the triple giant is a better deal.


better deal? eh, i dunno about that one. id rather have a pre that is 100% useable for my applications that one where almost 60% of the gain is as unusable as a peavey. quite simply, the fish IS better. maybe not worth what some people are charging for it, but if i had the cash id snag one in an instant.

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you seem to be under the impression that all preamps are just based of a certain head... some are, but many arent. you'd be better of using that arguement against digital amps.


most are. all of soldanos preamps are based off the SLO, boogies off the mark and recto series, bogners eventually became the xtc, jmp-1 based off the entire marshall line; a lot of em are based off the same circuitry that are found in the heads.


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anyways, can we get back to the subject? 5150's and such...


ok. heres my $.02 about 5150s: id buy a line 6 before i would ever buy a peavey.
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Old 2004-04-29, 07:45
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i can't even respect your opinions now......
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line 6 over a peavey????......

what?
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Old 2004-04-29, 12:20
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Old 2004-04-29, 13:46
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i can't even respect your opinions now......


thats fine, ignorant people often shun that which they cant comprehend.
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line 6 over a peavey????......

what?


sure, why not? line 6 makes some really good gear. i cant say the same about peavey.
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Old 2004-04-29, 15:15
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LMAO.... dumbest thing i ever heard.
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Old 2004-04-29, 15:58
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LMAO.... dumbest thing i ever heard.


fine w/ me. youd prefer a 5150 to a recto so your opinion means dick to me.
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Old 2004-04-29, 16:28
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well, go ahead and buy one of those fake sounding digital amps if thats your thing i guess. but a 5150 II could get more brutal than any line 6.
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Old 2004-04-29, 17:13
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