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Old 2004-04-25, 15:49
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Sports, to me, represent an inability to participate and excel in activities that a male finds enjoyable. Watching sports fills the gap for guys that, in short, are athletically incapable. That's just my opinion. What's the point of WATCHING it when you could be PLAYING it?


since i play and watch sports, that makes me a super athletic guy, right?
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nope that just evens everything out, now your just average
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Old 2004-04-25, 16:19
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nope that just evens everything out, now your just average


thanks for killing my ego.
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Sports, to me, represent an inability to participate and excel in activities that a male finds enjoyable. Watching sports fills the gap for guys that, in short, are athletically incapable. That's just my opinion. What's the point of WATCHING it when you could be PLAYING it?


What's the point of going to see a band when you could be performing yourself?
What's the point of viewing art when you could be creating it yourself?
What's the point of reading when you could be writing yourself?
What's the point of watching films when you could be making them yourself?

In short, because it's enjoyable. The same goes for sport.

You're entitled to your opinion but since you admit that you hate sports, I think you'll find it would be logical of you not to post in a football thread for football fans. Unless you purposely want to be antagonistic, that is. Illogical or antagonistic? Delete where not applicable.
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I am a football Fan , I play football and I like to watch football !
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Old 2004-04-26, 19:54
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Arsenal clinched the Premiership title this weekend and they are three games away from going down in history as the only team to go unbeaten in an English 38 game domestic season. Preston went unbeaten in 1898-99 but it was only an 18 game season back then.

If they do it, it will be an amazing feat. Even the Man Utd team of the 90s and the Liverpool teams of the 70s and 80s could not go unbeaten for a whole season (Notts Forest went 42 games without defeat - still a record - but it was spread over two seasons).

But I have a question. If Arsenal do go unbeaten in the domestic league, does that make them one of the greatest teams ever despite not winning the European Cup?

My own personal view is that for this Arsenal side - stylish though it may be - to be consider one of the greatest sides of all time they have to win the European Cup at some stage. Europeans can never forget great sides such as the Real Madrid team of the 60s, the Ajax, Bayern and Liverpool teams of the 70s and the Milan and Juve sides of the 90s. But if Arsenal fail to win the European Cup, will they be forgotten along with the likes of Brugges and Borussia Moenchengladbach?

I ask these questions because I'm interested to see if domestic success and an attractive style of play is sufficient enough for teams to go down in European footballing history.
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I think noone will remember Arsenal as one of
the greatest teams if they don't win
the Champion's League or even the UEFA Cup.
Well they play good football though but Valencia
was also very good 2-3 years ago but didn't
manage to win the Champion's League
so they won't be remembered as a great team.

Anyone saw Holland- Greece yesterday?
I am happy we lost 4-0 ,everyone here
was thinking we had a good team but
now they're all disappointed.The best thing
about the game was the banner that some PAOK
fans from Solingen raised at the stadium!And some people
wearing PAOK shirts
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Romania : Germany 5:1

Yesterday I watched thimatch and I can't stop laughing abou the german team ! They played so bad ... can't be true!
Ok anyway ... Germany will be out in the first round of the Euro2004 !
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fuckin Romania, of all teams... that was a devastating blow, especially when we look back at 2002 and Germany ended second in the World Cup.
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I think noone will remember Arsenal as one of
the greatest teams if they don't win
the Champion's League or even the UEFA Cup.
Well they play good football though but Valencia
was also very good 2-3 years ago but didn't
manage to win the Champion's League
so they won't be remembered as a great team.

Anyone saw Holland- Greece yesterday?
I am happy we lost 4-0 ,everyone here
was thinking we had a good team but
now they're all disappointed.The best thing
about the game was the banner that some PAOK
fans from Solingen raised at the stadium!And some people
wearing PAOK shirts

Ehm, yeah ofcourse I saw it

anyways, holland played a lousy game, really, really bad compared to the last couple of duels, we've been unbeaten for like 25 games in a row (?) france and portugal didnt beat us at their homeplaces, hah.

but against greece it was shit, Kluivert played like ass and we didn't have our best players on the field, no Davids, no Robben, no van Nistelrooy, only Piere van Hooijdonk in the end who made a goal, the rest in there wasn't good at all, the first half was pathetic, then they made 3 goals in ten minutes and stopped playing again (oh, well, thats allways how it goes with holland) when van Hooijdonk came in he blasted the game open again for the last 10 minutes...

anyways, holland is out for revenge since they had a lot of near championships, mostly stranding against brazil or with bad luck against the french. a while ago they didnt have a good coach and didnt even qualify, how pathetic is that.

its good to see they're back up playing their game again, but its no-where as good as it was back in 94-96, but theres some time left before Euro 2004..

Greece was actually better then I expected, in the first half they didnt give away any opportunities, shame they don't have good forwards...

and Germany, haha they're fucked! our first real game for Euro 2004 is against Germany, if they play like this it will be total humiliation for them.
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fuckin Romania, of all teams... that was a devastating blow, especially when we look back at 2002 and Germany ended second in the World Cup.


yes, germany blamed themself ... but romania played real good and the 1 goal for the germans was a really lucky one !
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Romania : Germany 5:1

Yesterday I watched thimatch and I can't stop laughing abou the german team ! They played so bad ... can't be true!
Ok anyway ... Germany will be out in the first round of the Euro2004 !


Hahahahahahahahaha! I laughed my fuckin' cock off when I saw that result! I wonder, when was the last time Germany suffered a 5-1 defeat? Hmmm, let me think... Michael Owen wasn't playing was he? Hehehe, sorry to all the Germans out there, I couldn't resist!

I think Germany play badly immediately before a tournament so as to make all the other teams dismiss them as rubbish. I still believe that Germany will always be a tough prospect when it comes to the important games. Write them off at your own peril!
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Hahahahahahahahaha! I laughed my fuckin' cock off when I saw that result! I wonder, when was the last time Germany suffered a 5-1 defeat? Hmmm, let me think... Michael Owen wasn't playing was he? Hehehe, sorry to all the Germans out there, I couldn't resist!

I think Germany play badly immediately before a tournament so as to make all the other teams dismiss them as rubbish. I still believe that Germany will always be a tough prospect when it comes to the important games. Write them off at your own peril!


yes ..for one or two years Germany lost 1:5 vs England... but before the Worldcup 2002 they played bad too and in the world cup they played good...
We will see what Germany will do in the Euro 2004!
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yes ..for one or two years Germany lost 1:5 vs England... but before the Worldcup 2002 they played bad too and in the world cup they played good...
We will see what Germany will do in the Euro 2004!

well the first thing they'll do is lose against holland
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Yeah, maybe at half time the tournament organisers could get Rudi Voeller and Frank Rijkaard to continue their spitting match from the '90 World Cup! Now that's entertainment!
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well the first thing they'll do is lose against holland


Yeah, I think so too. But I would be angry if Roy Makaay will shoot the goal, which decide the match.
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don't worry about Makaay, he's probably not going to be in the base eleven at the start, I don't think he's our best forward either.

you guys have that new young kid, the blonde guy coming up, swein-something, he's gonna be the next best thing to come out of germany.


johnmansley, you're right about that, haha, people here are still pissed about losing against germany back then
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johnmansley, you're right about that, haha, people here are still pissed about losing against germany back then


That's one of my most vivid memories from that World Cup along with Stuart Pearce missing his penalty against Germany in the semi-finals!

I think that young German guy is Schweinsteiger. What about Deisler, is he going to be there? He was supposed to be the great hope of Germany in the last World Cup but he got injured beforehand.
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yeah thats the guy, he's good.

we've got a lot of upcoming talent too though, especially Sneijder, van der Vaart, Robben, Heitinga.

then theres the obvious Kluivert, van Nistelrooy, Overmars, van Hooijdonk, Davids, Seedorf, Reiziger, Stam, etc. it's just a shame Bergkamp won't be here this time.

I dunno, we've got a pretty good team but we're just out of luck most of the time, like euro 2000 and others.

also I heard rumours about Cruyf and Van Basten to be coaching in the future, that would be ace. but I don't think Cruyf will ever do it.
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also I heard rumours about Cruyf and Van Basten to be coaching in the future, that would be ace. but I don't think Cruyf will ever do it.


I think Cruyf is too involved with Barcelona to go into coaching but there wouldn't be a striker in the world who couldn't learn a few things off Marco Van Basten. It was a shame that his career was cut short by injury.

There's a lot of Dutch talent coming through again. Out of the new guys Van der Vaart catches my eye the most but Robben is pretty good too. I'd like to see Van der Vaart in the Liverpool team but I think he'll go to Barcelona next season.

It looks like all the young rising stars of Dutch football are leaving to play abroad. Robben looks like he's joining Chelsea, Van Persie has already agreed to join Arsenal and it looks like Van der Vaart will leave too. I think this reflects how far Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord have fallen behind in terms of European standing - they just can't compete with the big money leagues of Spain, Italy and England. I even read somewhere that Ajax is to be a feeder club for an English side, Arsenal or Chelsea, I think. How the mighty have fallen.
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