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Old 2004-03-25, 01:46
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Inverted: I'm not attacking you personally or anything, but I'd like to make afew points about the Power Tab Editor.

I tried to use PTEditor and found it clumsy. I did not find it very user friendly at all. Also, the whole point of being able to tab something is not to show off your skills, but so others can learn songs. Learning songs is annoying in PTEditor (although watching the notes being highlighted is useful). All I wanted to do was slow down or pause the MIDI playback, or changing the position would have been good; but no, the only way I could slow it down was to use a tempo marker. And they've been rambling on about how they're putting drums in and making a separate power tab player for several years now, and where is it?

On top of that, I have 2 soundcards, a SB16 and another brand new 6.1 channel card, and neither have a MIDI pitch wheel. So all bends and slides are left out in the MIDI playback. (And if you try to look at the specs of cards to see if they have a MIDI pitch wheel, they rarely tell you).

Plus I have also seen some stoopid kids that don't have album recordings of songs, just going and learning off the sound of the power tab. They don't want get caught up in the satanic lyrics, but they want to shred metal on their guitar; now that annoys me. And quite afew power tabs have mistakes I have noticed, so those idiots learn the songs wrong anyway lol.

I admit, the quality and content of a power tab is better than a regular tab, but there are way more normal tabs on the net. I don't think most metalheads want to go through the learning curve of the program, it's just easier to peck away at the keyboard in notepad, and leave some of the detail for the player to fill in. I personally ditched the program, as my timing is good enough to compensate for the inadequacies of regular tabs. But it's good to see that you're trying to expand the collection of power tabs to metal. Maybe when the program is updated, and if more metalheads start tabbing in the program, I might come back and use it one day.


Thanks for the comment. However, how is powertab a way to "show off"?

As far as I'm concerned there are 2 different ways to write a tab. The easy way and the right way. When you go the Guitar Center and buy a tab book, it has the exact same format as powertab. Note durations, tempo, timing sigs, ect... Imagin getting the same tab book, but instead of it being transcribed like tabs have been for HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of years, somone dicided to use notepad... It would be worthless.

For example, my Mom play the piano. She has tablature laying around thats been collecting dust for decades. She doesn't have any of the music to listen to on tape. She has to relay on the tablature to tell her the note durations, tempo, timing sigs, ect... That how it been since the dawn of music. You can't rewrite the rules.

As far as powertab is concered. Forget about listening to it play. Forget about drums. Forget about the shitty sound cards fucking up MIDI. If you click the "print" button you will get a high qualit authentic style tab with all the little details that real tabs have. That is why I make powertabs. As far as errors go. That the way it is. Nobody is perfect. It happens.
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I found the program amzing. Ive gotten used to the shitty sound it has. I bought a brand new sound card, a pretty expensive one too, and it still sounds like the music was from a NES videogame. But its all good. Once you learn the program it is a good tool, but i prefer the original way of transcribing the music. And INVERTED, do you think that it would be possible for someone to put the power tabs in original format for those who dont have powertab.
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for those who dont have powertab.
It's free to download and to install, isn't it?...
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"And INVERTED, do you think that it would be possible for someone to put the power tabs in original format for those who dont have powertab?"

Yeah, go to "file" and export the tab to ASCII.
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Heh, don't get me wrong. I am a busy individual.

I have, however, actually copied out "PowerTab" tab onto paper before because I didn't have access to a printer. If you don't like powertab, copy it out on paper. No problems there.
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Thanks for the comment. However, how is powertab a way to "show off"?

As far as I'm concerned there are 2 different ways to write a tab. The easy way and the right way. When you go the Guitar Center and buy a tab book, it has the exact same format as powertab. Note durations, tempo, timing sigs, ect... Imagin getting the same tab book, but instead of it being transcribed like tabs have been for HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of years, somone dicided to use notepad... It would be worthless.

For example, my Mom play the piano. She has tablature laying around thats been collecting dust for decades. She doesn't have any of the music to listen to on tape. She has to relay on the tablature to tell her the note durations, tempo, timing sigs, ect... That how it been since the dawn of music. You can't rewrite the rules.

As far as powertab is concered. Forget about listening to it play. Forget about drums. Forget about the shitty sound cards fucking up MIDI. If you click the "print" button you will get a high qualit authentic style tab with all the little details that real tabs have. That is why I make powertabs. As far as errors go. That the way it is. Nobody is perfect. It happens.


I was a bit hasty in what I said, but I'm usually the type of person that takes time to appreciate something. e.g when I listen to metal, I like stuff with instant appeal; it's easy to get into at any time. However, something that only starts to sound good once you have listened to it many times is alot better, but its annoying getting to that stage where u like it. Anyway, it's like that with PTEditor, I expected it to be like a graphical editor (drag and drop), but I found the user interface to be quite stupid and unintuitive, without easy to learn idioms.

And what I meant about showing off, was because I could only really see 2 uses for power tabs; learning songs and showing off your understanding of musical thoery. And since allowing you to learn songs is something the program doesn't do well, that leaves option number two. But you say "musical notation!"; how many metalheads besides your mum have the time to learn music theory well enough to use this program on something worthwhile (i.e not 4/4 timing), and in addition learn the program as well. I certainly don't. And we have CDs nowadays too, so it's not absolutely necessary to have piano music, etc.

Well I'm not too hot on theory, but I can read music. Even reading through the help in PTEditor about timing signatures got me confused, though. They could have at least put in afew concrete examples of weird timing signatures. I just play in different timings by ear; I don't consciously think about the name of the timing. That's why I can get by with normal tabs (if you look at the tabs I have done, I try to use spacing within bars to show timing).

I think the program is actually useful for learning solos, but the program needs improvement. By the way, what sound cards support the MIDI pitch wheel, etc? I might get one and a new PC (it's time to ditch the Pentium 233 methinks!). Maybe a faster printer too; at the moment I can only afford to print out regular tabs (and listen to the song for timing details), not 500 pages of musical notation out of the PTEditor.

I like what you're doing spreading the realm of power tabs to metal, since one of the reasons I didn't use it was because most songs I want to learn are not there. If I seen some more technical tabs that actually make use of the ability of power tabs to show complicated timing, then I'd start using it. e.g. maybe some stuff off The Haunted, or Cryptopsy's Whisper Supremacy, or even Nile - Amongst the Catacombs of Nephran Ka. (I'd even use regular tabs and listen to the song to learn it). But I mainly see stuff in timing like 4/4 which don't utilise the very thing the program is for.

So if it's not too much to ask, perhaps you could provide a quick tutorial, Inverted, as to using PTEditor (I mean, pfft, who uses the help files). Gradually develop our skills and throw in some concrete examples of music theory, to get the ball rolling on some more tabs of the metal kind. Hopefully afew tips on how to speed up the process of tabbing too. As much as I'd like to see quantity of power tabs, I think quality is the issue here. (I admit, I find alot of regular tabs on this site are dodgy and useless for people like me that want to learn stuff note for note. Maybe power tabs will rectify the situation).

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I haven't read much of the thread, but I've got some things to say.

You can do drums in PT. Just use channel 10 for one of the staffs, and you're ready to go. Sure, it doesn't give you a drum tab, but it gives you a drum track, for playing along.

I found the program really easy to use, though I haven't tried any other programs. I don't see why you'd become discouraged by it's "difficulty". I do, however, have 5+ years of classic musical schooling in my backpack, so that may be why.
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I just got this powertab thingy and started to experiment.
does anyone else have a problem getting the timing right.
(im not talking about being retarded about timings and notes and things)
for example : I told it to play a series of strait crotchets and it seems to play them with an almost swing feel. also there seems to be no control over volume. is this something normal? my computer? my ears?
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I just got this powertab thingy and started to experiment.
does anyone else have a problem getting the timing right.
(im not talking about being retarded about timings and notes and things)
for example : I told it to play a series of strait crotchets and it seems to play them with an almost swing feel. also there seems to be no control over volume. is this something normal? my computer? my ears?



Hey Amon rA,

I can't pinpoint your exact problem unless you want to email me the file. I can however, offer some advise.

The timing consist of 3 elements. Tempo, note duration and timing signatures; with an optional "triplet" timing.

The tempo marker is located in the upper left corner and looks kinda like this "d=" Use it to change the speed of the song. Note durations are at the bottom of the screen. Use them to program the durations of the notes themselves. The timing sig is also in the top left corner, just right to the tempo marker. It looks like this: 3/4. You can use this for odd timing like 5/8 1/4 ect...


Now for sound, there are two ways to addjust it. First you can click on the little red guitar and change it there or you can change it for any given measure. It's in musical notation so I'll write an example out for you. "off ppp pp p mp f ff fff" The way to change it by each measure is with the "mf" icon located on the upper part of the screen.

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So if it's not too much to ask, perhaps you could provide a quick tutorial, Inverted, as to using PTEditor (I mean, pfft, who uses the help files). Gradually develop our skills and throw in some concrete examples of music theory, to get the ball rolling on some more tabs of the metal kind. Hopefully afew tips on how to speed up the process of tabbing too. As much as I'd like to see quantity of power tabs, I think quality is the issue here. (I admit, I find alot of regular tabs on this site are dodgy and useless for people like me that want to learn stuff note for note. Maybe power tabs will rectify the situation).



I like this idea. I think I'll do it. Give me a litte time to get it done though. The best way for me to show examples, is if I make a powertab with "text" to guide to viewer along. That way you can actually see it work and read about it at the same time. Thanks for the idea!

Btw, I'm no computer gump or anything, and I'm not familliar with all the different sound cards available. So I'm gonna post this like and let the pro's tell you.

http://pagebiz.com/fish/music.html I recommend the Sound Blaster 128, 64 0r 32 sound card. The most compatible and best supported sound cards for the PC are made by Creative Labs and they are called Sound Blasters.
A Sound Blaster 16 is good but a Sound Blaster 32 up sounds much better. Here is why. Most Sound cards use a Yamaha OPL2 or OPL3 FM synthesis chip to produce MIDI music. The big advantage of the Sound Blaster 32 up is that the MIDI sounds are produced from "Wave Tables", actual recorded sound samples of each instrument using an E-mu SystemsŪ EMU8000 sound and effects generator.

Before Creative labs started putting the E-mu chip into the SB 32 up they were only available in high priced commercial synthesizers used by professional entertainers. The sound quality and clarity of the instruments, especially the high pitched ones piccolo are amazing with the SB 32 up, approaching CD quality.

I recently bought a PCI soundblaster for $26.00 at computer show. Other companys have so called Wave Table sound cards but nothing comes even close to the Soundblaster 32/64/128.

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TXT ???

I want to create a tab in simple txt/ascii format. Can this be done with powertab? if so how? If not how can i create .txt files for tabs?
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You can export the tab to ASCII format. It's under "File." If you plan on exporting, it must be your own work. Fair warning to all who read.
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