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Old 2005-08-16, 16:27
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non-standard chords in progressions

Ok, i've been reading up on theory, and begining to see the logic behind certain intervals, and how Major and minor chords are defined in a progresion.

However, we all know the non-standard, non-Major or minor chords, annything with an added-whatever, any sustained, diminished, augmentet yada-yada chords.
What is the logic behind these chords in a progression?
For example, when in a progresion do I want to have an sus7 chord instead of just Major or minor? How do these chords behave "tensionwise" with other chords? I know that non-standard chords spice up a progresion, but I don't know the logic behind it.

If someone can try to expain, or can provide a link, that would be uber awesome
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Old 2005-08-18, 16:24
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quick google: http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=489

I can't really tell you the theory behind it, cause I just don't know. I usually will take my lame ass 3 chord progression and just start going through my chord book till something rings. If that doesn't work, I then try inversions of those same chords. Sorry, I can't help ya more
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Old 2005-08-18, 17:58
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Here's a link to a really good site. The author of this article used to be a student a Berklee, don't quote me on it though.
http://ibreathemusic.com/article/95
This article goes over seventh chords.
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Old 2005-08-19, 06:15
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thanks for your replies, altough those links don't realy have answered my question.

Anyone can explain me how and when to use non-standard chords in a progression?
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Old 2005-08-24, 14:51
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quick google: http://www.guitarnoise.com/article.php?id=489

I can't really tell you the theory behind it, cause I just don't know. I usually will take my lame ass 3 chord progression and just start going through my chord book till something rings. If that doesn't work, I then try inversions of those same chords. Sorry, I can't help ya more



Sorry if this ahs already been explained multiple times but what is, and how do u invert a chord?
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Easy...

Just take your chord say G major (G - B - D), and start with on the B (B - D - G) to get the first inversion, then start with D (D - G - B) for the second inversion. Note these are triads, use www.looknohands.com for the exact fingering for full chord shapes.
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Use them when you want some tension in the piece or progression, and then you can resolve to end tension, or leave it hanging ther in an eXTReMeLy!!!!!111!!!!! Gr1m(111!!!) and NeKr0 fashion.......
Or, in a 4/4 bar, say you have...
Beat 1: Am
Beat 2: Dm
Beat 3: G#dim
Beat 4: Am

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Old 2005-08-26, 18:50
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ok after i read the first post, i pulled out some of my scale books i use andstuff like taht becasue i had never thought about it before. I was reading in the book "The Guitar Grimoire" which is a very extensive, kick ass, book for scales and modes. It has a chart by every mode of every scale and what chords are compatible with it. So i would suggest getting a theory/scales book taht has that type of stuff in it. It alos explains how you can figure out what chords are compatible in certain modes and progressions. Ill try to explain it although i dont understand it completely myself.

first off you have to know how to make the chords you want to use. for example a minor 7th is 1 b3 5 b7. so once you know how to make some different types of schords you have to compare them to the mode you want to use i over.

dorian is composed of 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 all of the intervals in a minor 7th chord are in that mode so it is compatible.

locrain is composed of 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 this is not compatible becasue a minor 7th has a natural 5th not a flatted 5th so they dont work.

From my understanding the way that would work over a progression is like this.
lets say your playing in C Maj (Ionian) my chord progression is

C maj (Ionian) D min (Dorian) E min (Phrygian) F maj

instead you could do

C maj D min 7th E min F maj

I hope that helps and if anyone who knows a lot of theory wants to correct me please do. If it doesnt make sense just ask and ll try to clarify
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ok after i read the first post, i pulled out some of my scale books i use andstuff like taht becasue i had never thought about it before. I was reading in the book "The Guitar Grimoire" which is a very extensive, kick ass, book for scales and modes. It has a chart by every mode of every scale and what chords are compatible with it. So i would suggest getting a theory/scales book taht has that type of stuff in it. It alos explains how you can figure out what chords are compatible in certain modes and progressions. Ill try to explain it although i dont understand it completely myself.

first off you have to know how to make the chords you want to use. for example a minor 7th is 1 b3 5 b7. so once you know how to make some different types of schords you have to compare them to the mode you want to use i over.

dorian is composed of 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 all of the intervals in a minor 7th chord are in that mode so it is compatible.

locrain is composed of 1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7 this is not compatible becasue a minor 7th has a natural 5th not a flatted 5th so they dont work.

From my understanding the way that would work over a progression is like this.
lets say your playing in C Maj (Ionian) my chord progression is

C maj (Ionian) D min (Dorian) E min (Phrygian) F maj

instead you could do

C maj D min 7th E min F maj

I hope that helps and if anyone who knows a lot of theory wants to correct me please do. If it doesnt make sense just ask and ll try to clarify



thanks, that actualy helps quite a lot. i can figure it out myself thatway
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Old 2005-08-27, 15:04
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thanks, that actualy helps quite a lot. i can figure it out myself thatway


no problem, buddy.

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I want that book.


yeah its like 23 bucks (american) at my local music shop. Its definanatly worth the investment in my opinion. It has a section on 5 tone, 6 tone, 7 tone, and 8 tone scales. Theres also another whole volume about chord progressions and chords. Pretty much every book in the guitar grimoire series is bad ass. Oh by the way the author is Adam Kadmon in case you want to look it up on Amazon or whatever.
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There are better books than Adam Kadmon's Guitar Grimoire, My Professor is ordering me a book by some guy that he seriously has like every goddamn scale ever in it. I like exotic things though. I've studied the guitar grimoire but it isn't near as good as this other book, I'll get the writer's name and shit and post it on here. . . It's kinda funny though that I like exotic things so much. . .. I date a Jew(not one of those little jew's that Hitler started shit with. . . she's a "super jew". . . 5'11"), my best friend is a Nazi(going to be a doctor and a hell of a bassist. . . plus he's rich and all around awesome) . . . . What the hell is this world coming to. I mean seriously?
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It's kinda funny though that I like exotic things so much. . .. I date a Jew (..) my best friend is a Nazi


funny, but how is that relevant?
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I know that non-standard chords spice up a progresion, but I don't know the logic behind it.

If someone can try to expain, or can provide a link, that would be uber awesome


In my humble upinion I guess sometimes there is no real logic based upon certain tonality or progression. You may build atonal progression by using chord of dissonant type.
I just can suggest you to listen to First The Axis of Perdition album for example or Ved Buens Ende. Even latest Deathspell Omega works.
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