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Old 2007-05-18, 12:05
icebreed icebreed is offline
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Stu Block from Into Eternity (Vocal Video Lesson)

Has anyone else seen this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwIBqruSIbc

quite helpful and impressive
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Old 2007-05-22, 17:24
crustcorestenchhead9 crustcorestenchhead9 is offline
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thats tight. iv been trying to get my voice to do them sirens but i cant and i have no idea how to aproche it since i can do all the diferent harsh stuff and i can sing clean but i just dont know about this high pitched shit. Are you soposed to go as high as you can or sound like a woman and go as high as you can like a woman... any tips?
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Old 2007-07-12, 01:53
LordJasio LordJasio is offline
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thats tight. iv been trying to get my voice to do them sirens but i cant and i have no idea how to aproche it since i can do all the diferent harsh stuff and i can sing clean but i just dont know about this high pitched shit. Are you soposed to go as high as you can or sound like a woman and go as high as you can like a woman... any tips?


Going high is more technique than anything else my friend. There are 3 main registers to your voice: Your chest voice, which is what you speak in, and mostly sing in if you aren't a trained singer; Your head voice, which handles all the high notes, when used properly, sounds like a natural extension of your chest voice, and isn't weak sounding; And your Mixed Voice/Passgio which is blending your Head and Chest voice together, which is often used in your passgio (break area) when your chest voice starts to crack going high.

These "voices" are determined by where the sound resonates to create said sound.

The huge misconception about high pitched vocals, is that they can be done 2 ways. When you do high vocals, the sound is resonating in your nasal cavities, thus called a head voice. However there is 2 ways the sound can be made with your vocal chords. Anyone untrained can try it and it will sound weak, squeaky, and like a little girl. This voice is called the Falsetto, it is using the head register, but the vibration of the vocal chords are wide and slow, allowing a lot of air to pass, making the airy sound.

Singers who train themselves learn to adduct their vocal chords, that is to say when going up in pitch, instead of switching to the falsetto with the vocal chords flapping really widely letting a lot of air through, the vocal chords sort of zip up, vibrate very fast, and let very little air through, keeping a strong natural sound, and a true head voice.

When you learn to do this, you can connect the chest with the head voice, and keep it sounding like one natural voice. Stu Block in this video demonstrates just that, going from low to high connecting his registers properly.

I could write pages on this... but im trying to save my fingers from typing a billion paragraphs, hehe.
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Old 2007-07-12, 19:48
crustcorestenchhead9 crustcorestenchhead9 is offline
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thanks, most of that makes sence. any tips on how to acctually zip it up....
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Old 2007-07-13, 00:32
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thanks, most of that makes sence. any tips on how to acctually zip it up....


Well... its tough. You have to learn a few things before achieving this... First off you need to learn to sing from your gut. You need to learn how to push the air up with your diaphragm, and not with your throat. Once you can do that, you need to learn to isolate the muscles your singing with. Ill give you a quick example, take a note on a comfortable pitch and hold it. While you do this, put a finger or 2 to your adams apple (larynx). Than slide the pitch up to your break area, and past it breaking into falsetto. I'm willing to bet any amount of money, that your adams apple will go up with your pitch.

This is a bad thing. Moving your larynx up is only closing the throat, making you have to push harder to get the air through, making ii hard on your throat, and giving a weak production. When singing properly, your larynx shouldn't move at all going from the bottom to the absolute top of your range. That is because really you dont need that muscle to produce the sound, your brain is just used to thinking up, so you move the larynx up aswell, blocking air flow.

When you learn to sing from your gut, you're able to keep your throat and face completely relaxed and let the pitch go wherever. Its after you can do this, that you can start working on adducting your vocal chords. Many excersies used to acheive this are simple tricking your brain to change its bad habits by using tighter vowels, and using consonants in the right place to let your chords adduct. Its really when you think about it that it starts to fuck up. Singing should be a 100% relaxed and painless process when done correctly.

I dont feel like typing out a billion exercises here... but i can give you some reference points to look into.

One is a program/style called Speech Level Singing (SLS) introduced by a man called Seth Riggs. Google that and you'll get a bunch of info on it.

Another good example is on youtube, there are a bunch of videos from a studio in seattle called The Vocalists Studio, and they teach the proper technique of singing there. the videos have a whol bunch of demonstrations. Here are a coupe of them to look at.
http://www.youtube.com/user/roblunte
Has all of his videos you can take a look at.
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Old 2007-07-13, 00:41
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alright cool, thanks alot
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Old 2007-07-26, 06:20
LordJasio LordJasio is offline
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Yeah. I wont pretend im perfect at the technique myself, but ive learnt pretty much most of what i need to know, and have been teaching myself how to sing. I had lessons for a while, but they were mostly garbage.

Heres a clip of my own siren I did mostly just fucking around with layered vocal recording stuff, and doing a hilarious tribute to Jim Gillette.

http://www.myspace.com/kulakowskij
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Old 2007-07-27, 00:05
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dang man youve got a nice range. sounds really good, your band is freakin sick too.

Last edited by crustcorestenchhead9 : 2007-07-27 at 00:09.
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Old 2007-07-28, 10:22
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i can do that, but he is still a good vocalist. I just can't do the extreme metal vocals besides black metal.
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Old 2007-08-02, 05:52
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Speech level singing is fantastic. LordJasio really spelt it out quite well. My singing teacher teaches this. He hasn't, however, taught me anything to do with using the diaphragm properly etc. In fact, Seth Riggs himself wrote on his website that Speech Level Singing will not teach you how to do that, but it'll come naturally with the right technique.
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Old 2007-08-06, 04:00
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Speech level singing is fantastic. LordJasio really spelt it out quite well. My singing teacher teaches this. He hasn't, however, taught me anything to do with using the diaphragm properly etc. In fact, Seth Riggs himself wrote on his website that Speech Level Singing will not teach you how to do that, but it'll come naturally with the right technique.


Thats completely true, however there are many people (such as myself) who had been singing the wrong way for too long, and have trained our brain to want to sing that way. Introducing speech level singing becomes harder at that point. I just personally found it much easier to do once i learned to isolate my muscles and start singing from my diaphragm.
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Old 2008-04-02, 14:14
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wht kinda screams does stu block do...like r they growls
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