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Old 2006-12-12, 12:05
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I've seen people buy 7-string packs and toss out the high E and just use the B to B. This might give you some more variety in the gauge ranges that are available for tunings like B.

thats exactly like buying 11-54's except for a minor gauge difference on the 2nd and 3rd strings between different manufacturers

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How much tighter are Dean Markleys? Wouldn't the greater tension make them higher pitched, meaning you'd need to lower your tension even more?

i think he meant greater tension compared to pitch, as in they feel tighter than other strings in the same tuning... so no... it shouldnt higher the pitch, because its the same tuning
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Old 2006-12-12, 12:18
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I play a baritone. yess it is 27 inches and it has 14 -68 gauge strings tuned to G# ( G# C# A# B E G# ) and their pretty tight but not insanely tight.
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Old 2006-12-12, 16:29
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thats exactly like buying 11-54's except for a minor gauge difference on the 2nd and 3rd strings between different manufacturers


i think he meant greater tension compared to pitch, as in they feel tighter than other strings in the same tuning... so no... it shouldnt higher the pitch, because its the same tuning


I guess I worded it wrong. I think what I basically meant was, if they're the same size strings, how is one brand significantly tighter than another?
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A 52 for a A#? that is kinda light, I use a 56 for my Low B. I used to use a 60 for my B, but it was just silly.


Yeah it feels like spagghetti if I play anything beyond 200bpm.

Tight strings are awesome, I like to feel pain when I play. The also sustain a million times better than flimsier ones, and stay in tune virtually forever and are easier to intonate with.
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Old 2006-12-14, 15:43
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I guess I worded it wrong. I think what I basically meant was, if they're the same size strings, how is one brand significantly tighter than another?


different alloy mixtures, different metallurgy processes, different winding techniques, different wind gauge (as in the gauge of the tiny little winds on each individual string... but i dont think the tightness will be too significant, maybe around 1 lb of tension increase. (which isnt alot considering a switch from 9-42's to 10-46's increases total tension by about 22 lbs)

i know GHS has their Sub Zero strings where I THINK they freeze the string after making it instead of just letting it sit. (metal gets hot when you bash it up and stretch it and shit). Theoretically, cooling the molecules faster should make them collect closer together increasing density... possibly making them tighter?
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Old 2006-12-14, 16:08
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different alloy mixtures, different metallurgy processes, different winding techniques, different wind gauge (as in the gauge of the tiny little winds on each individual string... but i dont think the tightness will be too significant, maybe around 1 lb of tension increase. (which isnt alot considering a switch from 9-42's to 10-46's increases total tension by about 22 lbs)

i know GHS has their Sub Zero strings where I THINK they freeze the string after making it instead of just letting it sit. (metal gets hot when you bash it up and stretch it and shit). Theoretically, cooling the molecules faster should make them collect closer together increasing density... possibly making them tighter?


1lb per string or 1lb total?

Also, I'd check out those Sub Zero strings, but they don't come in 13-56. Looks like the highest they have is like 11-50, ew. I might try buying single strings and making my own set of strings, 14-60, since they don't sell any sets in that for some reason. Any idea what the tonality difference with the sub-zero's is, compared to normal steel?

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Old 2006-12-14, 16:48
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1lb per string or 1lb total?

per string

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Old 2006-12-14, 19:34
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Another question: I'm getting a few guitar things online, all from the same site, and they also sell Deans, but only the steel ones (as opposed to nickle-plated steel like most people use). How big of a difference is the tone? Would they still be suitable for metal?
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:12
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Another question: I'm getting a few guitar things online, all from the same site, and they also sell Deans, but only the steel ones (as opposed to nickle-plated steel like most people use). How big of a difference is the tone? Would they still be suitable for metal?


they're brighter by an almost inconcievably small amount. It means a few things: more metallic sounding when theyre played dry, more trebel projected from the amp, more crackle in the distortion, and less muddyness with age.
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Old 2006-12-14, 20:21
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they're brighter by an almost inconcievably small amount. It means a few things: more metallic sounding when theyre played dry, more trebel projected from the amp, more crackle in the distortion, and less muddyness with age.


Sounds pretty fucking sweet. Also, I found a KICKASS article for all to read. It shows calculations for the string gauge you would need to get x pounds of tension with whatever note you want. Works very nice, takes into account guitar scale too. I only played with it a bit, but it says I would need a 58 gauge string to get 15 pounds on tension on my 24.75" in B.

http://terrydownsmusic.com/technote...ges/STRINGS.HTM

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Old 2006-12-14, 20:52
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well post the article already!
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Old 2006-12-14, 21:11
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well post the article already!


Oh shit, I guess I forgot to post it, sorry man. http://terrydownsmusic.com/technote...ges/STRINGS.HTM

I'm also working on a flash program that'll do the calculations for you, it'll be done tonight or tomorrow.

Keep in mind this calculation isn't exact, due to different types of winding and different company's ways of treating strings to increase strength, and the fact that different companies use different alloys (mixtures of metals).

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Old 2006-12-14, 23:21
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Hmmm odd. I followed Kerry King's advice for string gauges. Like he said he uses 9-42 for D#, 10-46 to C# and uses a 52 for the B when he does Drop B tunnings. Now I personally use 9-42 for both Standard and Dropped. And I am getting my Warlock set up to C# with 10-46. I know a lot of people advise aggainst these strings for these tunning but they seem to work fine for me. They give good sustain and don't flop all over the place.

I use Light N Heavy for the lower tunnings so I can have a tight bottom and lighter highs to make it easier to bend. A lot of artists use lighter strings for lower tunnings. The Berzerker (13-56 for A standard), Nile (10-52 for Drop A), didn't Carcass use 10-52 for B standard or did they use 12-54? I forget.
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Old 2006-12-15, 03:42
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Hmmm odd. I followed Kerry King's advice for string gauges. Like he said he uses 9-42 for D#, 10-46 to C# and uses a 52 for the B when he does Drop B tunnings. Now I personally use 9-42 for both Standard and Dropped. And I am getting my Warlock set up to C# with 10-46. I know a lot of people advise aggainst these strings for these tunning but they seem to work fine for me. They give good sustain and don't flop all over the place.

I use Light N Heavy for the lower tunnings so I can have a tight bottom and lighter highs to make it easier to bend. A lot of artists use lighter strings for lower tunnings. The Berzerker (13-56 for A standard), Nile (10-52 for Drop A), didn't Carcass use 10-52 for B standard or did they use 12-54? I forget.



Nile uses a .70 gauge for the low A string

http://www.nilechat.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7707
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Old 2006-12-15, 05:13
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I use .13, .16, .24w, .34, .48, .60 for Bb, same should be good for B standard!
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I use .13, .16, .24w, .34, .48, .60 for Bb, same should be good for B standard!

Unless you bend a lot.
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Unless you bend a lot.


eh... those strings have just a bit less tension that .009 gauge in E... so it should be no problem. USE THE GAUGE CALCULATOR... it saved my life... It says use 12-56's in C# for the same tightness as 10's in E, (24.75" scale) what a glorious tip.
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Old 2006-12-15, 17:16
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I finished my calculator, using that site's equations. It offers two modes, simple and advanced.

In simple, you enter your guitar's scale length and desired tension (I think most people use around 15 or 16 pounds), how much you want to downtune(or not), and whether you want dropped tuning (6th string a step lower), then click solve and it'll show you the gauges you would need (approximately, since the calculator can't be exact due to different brands using different density strings and such). It works for 7 strings, too (though the drop tuning option only effects the 6th string).

In advanced, you can enter the note frequency (or select it from the list, reccommended) and get just a single string. This is good if you want to use some wacko tuning. To select a frequency from the list, click on the desired string (B,E,A,D,G,B, or E) and the list will refresh and show the steps down and frequencies and such. If you click the note on the list, it'll copy to the frequency textbox for you. Then it works the same as the simple version, just for a single string.

http://www.4d5e6f.com/flash/strings.html

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