Ah yeah, I tried those as well but they had this ubercheap feel to them. Considering the price that shouldn't be much of a surprise though.. The neck profile is based on the old striker model so that does feel pretty good. Kinda like a wizzard I. Their latest offering was much better imho, still not up to par with their 80's stuff but far better then the musicyo crap.. I am keen to get my hands on one of those oldskool kramers. Will report how it compares to my other guitars..