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Simon the sorcerer 2008-07-21 12:43

question about finding the key
Hello there,

first I gotta excuse, my english isn't the best but I hope you're able to understand me and help me with my little problem :)

I'm looking for a key-finding program, like the "guitar chord finder" ( probably something like this exists, it was pure luck that I even found the chord finder online...

specificly I've written a song, a part is played on Gm - Dis m - Dm - Ais m - Gm and now I'm looking for the note key (hope it's spelled that way?) of this composition.

Also I got a sheet with all keys, showing their scaleown triads (spelling?), though still I wasn't able to define the key.
So I got to the conclusion it could be a modificated scale, but I got no idea how to find this out.

I would be more then greatful if anyone could help me, its pretty urgent!

thanks in advance,


johnmansley 2008-07-24 03:00

A useful starting point is to assume that the key of any given song or progression is usually the same as the first or last note/chord of said song or progression. This would indicate Gm for the progression stated above.

Assuming that "Dis m" and "Ais m" are meant to be D#m and A#m respectively, all of the root notes to the chords in your progression are found in the G natural minor scale. This would then imply the key of Gm.

Simon the sorcerer 2008-07-26 22:08

Hi and thanks,

your assumption about Dis m (D#m)and Ais m (A#m) is fully correct, I'm sorry that's my german habit ;)

I heard already that usually the first/last note in a song is decisive to define the key, but it isn't constrained to be. I already tried out the Gm key but it simply doesn't fit, don't ask me why...

davie_gravy 2008-07-28 16:42

Your progression almost fits the G natural minor scale except for your A#m. The books say a major chord fits better in that spot using G natural minor. I noticed G natural minor sounding like shit over that A#m chord so you have to modify it to accompany the minor 3rd in A#m being C# because the 3rd is such a strong grounded tone in any scale. Well what's cool about that A#m being there instead of the A# is that your 3rd (C#) falls right in as the b5th of G natural minor so you can just augment into the blues scale to compensate for that tone over that chord. F Phrygian Dominant sounds good over it too because F and A# are very polytonal in your chord progression which if you shift that over comes out to be A# harmonic minor which works out great for your A#m chord.

Argamocrypt 2008-10-19 22:03

I think the problem is just that you've named the chords wrong. Change D# to E-flat and A# to B-flat and it fits perfectly in G minor.

Edit: Nevermind, I was wrong.

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