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The Doctor 2008-07-06 14:29

Evil Eichmann
 
This is about Adolf Eichmann, a german nazi-officer who took care of the logistic part of the holocaust. After he got caught he was put on trial in Israel, where he kept stressing the impossibility of going against the then reigning zeitgeist against the Jews. Ergo; "befehl ist befehl"

The music should be either thrasy or old school death-ish.

[verse]
The corporate mind can be an evil one,
we're speaking '40-'45.
People voted for the wrong guy
and millions lost their lives.

Bread and games provided,
along with roads 'n automobiles.
When the people were numbed down, another
form of transportation was revealed

[chorus]
Der!
Der evil Eichmann.
Der!
Der evil Eichmann.

[verse]
Gathered like cattle,
six million dead.
Slaughtered like pigs
and Eichmann, he turned his head.

The biggest irony of it all,
was when das Reich came to a fall.
After a game without his rules,
he got hung.......hung by the Jews!

[chorus]
Der!
Der evil Eichmann.
Der!
Der evil Eichmann.

HE'S FUCKING DEAD!

Wolfsherz 2008-07-06 15:18

Good.

L,B'XXX 2008-07-06 19:54

The second part of the second verse didn't have the same consistency as the rest. It sounds like you just had something to say and blurted it out without much thought. Otherwise it's not bad at all.

The Doctor 2008-07-07 06:36

yeah theres no real meter, but that should evolve along with the music

Nemesis9 2008-07-07 08:30

Quote:
we're speaking '40-'45.


hitler came to power in 1933 (and the nsdap was already activ some year earlier, antisemitism reached a new form already in the 19th centuary)

Quote:
People voted for the wrong guy
and millions lost their lives.


hmm, to me that explaination would be much to simple. you can of course use it, but maybe something like that would also fit the main theme better:

"People blindly followed the leader" (or "someone" to get a rhyme)

Quote:
along with roads 'n automobiles.


the thing with the road is just realy overstressed (but that might be just the case for austria, where old people still try to explain, that hitler was great cause he build roads...)

plus i don't like the verse too much, since it doesn't seem to add much to the songs. some topics that would fit better, imo, would be:
- one very little people would do anything against this
- many people saw a chance to make carreer, at the beginning unemployment sunk
- it wasn't just pure hate against jews (and others), but there was lots of logic and planning


Quote:
The biggest irony of it all,
was when das Reich came to a fall.
After a game without his rules,
he got hung.......hung by the Jews!


know that part seems really problematic to me. it don't think, you can say the death penalty (although i oppose it), is the same as fascism
plus the formulation "jews" is problematic, since not everyone involved in the process was a jew and not every jew was for eichmanns death. plus it's always bad to reduce people to just one thing, such as religion (or culture) (hell, i don't want to be called christion just because the majority in my country is christian) and i think, that when talking about nationalsocialism, it would be good to not generalize again and associate "jews" with evil, dangerous, powerful and so on, as it was done by the nazis (and others).

Quote:
HE'S FUCKING DEAD!


well, i guess by today he would be anyway ;) maybe turn it to "He got fucking killed" or so


overall i think this are quite good lyrics. the topic is interesting, difficult and not very common on metal songs - so that is cool. i just think this "befehl ist befehl" - thing you mentioned is not transported through the lyrics, although i would find it more interesting than, let's say, automobiles.
i also think the lyrics could do well in a death/trash song and the chorus probably depends a lot on the music, since the lyrics there aren't too complex ;) (have I mentioned, I don't like the word "evil" here? to me this "good-evil" schema is just so simple and in a way childish - but this might be just me).
ahh, and I don't know how much more work you want to put into this and how interested you are acually in this, but i read a book once about the eichmann - process, which was good and interesting. I forgot who wrote it, but it is quite famous i believe (it's a combination of literatur and real protocolls from the court)

hope i could help :)

The Doctor 2008-07-07 08:48

are you talking about 'the banality of evil' by hannah arendt? I haven't read it but in philosophy-class our teacher showed quite some footage from his trial and he explained what arendt was talking about, very interesting what people can do whenever there is no rational alternative at hand (except suicide)

i really dig the fact that you took all this trouble for a rebuttal but im not the guy who takes shit seriously. I mean, the fucking holocaust is serious, but the fact whether or not my lyrics are completely factual doesnt really bother me.

with the '40-'45 thing I am referring to the period of activity of the Auschwitz camps, not the nazi-regime in general. This is because I've been there a few years back and it scared the shit out of me. Plus, the logistics of those camps are what made eichmann 'famous'.

The roads and automobiles-line is used because it fits nicely with the last line about 'another form of transportation', with which I obviously am referring to the trains.

thanks again mate.

peace (that could be described as the general message of this lyrics, haha)

Nemesis9 2008-07-07 08:56

Quote:
are you talking about 'the banality of evil' by hannah arendt? I haven't read it but in philosophy-class our teacher showed quite some footage from his trial.


no, i ment something else. never read anything by arendt and not sure wheter i would actually like it, from what i have heard so far ;)

Quote:
i really dig the fact that you took all this trouble for a rebuttal but im not the guy who takes shit seriously. I mean, the fucking holocaust is serious, but the fact whether or not my lyrics are completely factual doesnt really bother me.


thats fine then, just wanted to let you know :)

Quote:
with the '40-'45 thing I am referring to the period of activity of the Auschwitz camps, not the nazi-regime in general. This is because I've been there a few years back and it scared the shit out of me.


i see (just wondered cause the first concentration camps where build in 1933 already, but ausschwitz was definately the worst of course)

btw, are you going to record this? if so, it would be cool if you could put it online - i'd be interested in actually hearing this lyrics :)

The Doctor 2008-07-07 09:04

oh man, i dont even have music written for it. Since im pretty busy with 3 other bands i dont think ill be home-recording anything soon :beer: feel free to experiment with it

Wolfsherz 2008-10-30 13:46

That Nazism really upset this spammer didn't it


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