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Trichephalic 2008-01-01 11:43

Alright guys
Im in need of some help, since i dont have to drive half an hour to guitar center i think ill ask you guys. Sound fair?

I just got a new Jackson Warrior XT, its a wonderul guitar. But when im running it through my pedal it sounds exactly the same as my Warlock.

Im in search for a new pedal, a fairly decent one. Not too expensive but not too cheap.

Im running everything through a old Peavey TranChorus 210. Through the clean channel and letting the pedal do the rest (since my crunch and lead channels dont do much anyway).

Im looking for the kind of tone that band like Morbid Angel, Hate Eternal, Deicide, and Death get.

Right now my pedal is the Digitech Deathmetal. Its pretty much garbage.

So im asking for your guys' opinion. Anything will be much appreciated.


Mortal_Lament 2008-01-01 12:20

What is your budget? Like, would you be willing to grab a large processor? Like a boss GT series, or Line 6 POD stage? Those can run anywhere from 150$ to 500$. Or did you want just a metal pedal, like the metalzone, or metalmizer, metal muff, something around those lines? Usually under 200$ .
I actually use the DM pedal when i'm just at home jamming, i got a pretty decent sound out of it, mids at 3, bass at 8, and treble at 9, not good for loud places, but pretty decent for at home jamming.

Trichephalic 2008-01-01 12:33

Ive got a little over 300 laying around, i would be willing to spend 150, tops maybe.
I do like the DM pedal, but i dont think its showcasing what my pickups can do.

Although a cheap POD does sound nice, i might fork over some more cash if it will last me a long time :P

Mortal_Lament 2008-01-01 14:05

well, if i'm not mistaken, the XT version of the warrior has a Duncan Designed (DD if you will) "Detonator" in both the neck and bridge. While they are pretty chunky, it is not exactly a high end pickup. If i'm not mistaken, its a cheaper version of the invader, and it can get too muddy.
The DM pedal doesnt have a gain knob, so you always get the muddy part of your pickups, and it will sound close to your Warlock. Best off getting a metalzone pedal if you want an affordable kind of versatile metal pedal. (plus it has a gain knob, dim that and your pickups can do the rest).
Go to ebay if you want to find a cheap processor that can in theory last a while.

Valtiel 2008-01-01 15:21

For the money I think some of the best distortion pedals you can buy are the Radial tube ones.

They are one the least "pedal" sounding pedals I know of.

Trichephalic 2008-01-01 16:16

My good friend has a Boss Metalzone i could probably steal ro get off him real cheap.
Thanks for the input guys.
You helped a lot.

gorath23 2008-01-03 12:50

I'm not sure that the difference between a Death Metal and a MetalZone would be great enough to make it worthwhile. IF you have the cash, definitely go for something boutique-esque, or at least not a Boss. Digitech etc. Check out the New Seymour Duncan pedal thats designed for high gain stuff and also the Protone Body Rot II. The ZVex Box of Metal seems to get decent reviews too.

Trichephalic 2008-01-03 15:10

Hm.. i agreed to buy the Boss off my friend. I know its not the best but im getting it for 50 bucks. I cant really argue with that, ill look into it though.

Mortal_Lament 2008-01-03 15:11

I do enjoy tube distortion pedals, but they can get pricey. Stay away from the ibanez king or something. Radial does have a really nice distortion pedal, rocktron has an awesome non-tube one called "silver dragon" , and Tech 21's Double Drive is pretty awesome too, ridiculously cheap.

the_bleeding 2008-01-05 01:44

might be late here but --> dont all those bands use RAT's plugged into marshalls?

Soulinsane 2008-01-05 02:26

I think you should start with the replacing the pickups. It will have the greatest impact. All the best gear in the world doesn't mean shit if you have lame pickups. They will always effect everything in the signal after them.

Sycophant 2008-01-05 03:46

Originally Posted by Soulinsane
I think you should start with the replacing the pickups. It will have the greatest impact. All the best gear in the world doesn't mean shit if you have lame pickups. They will always effect everything in the signal after them.

+1, recently a pal of mine replaced a humbucker in his Squier Fat Strat with an EMG 81, it brought the guitar back to life and it's actually pretty badass now.

Honestly I'd stay as far away from pedals as possible and get a better amp. And then maybe get a pedal like a RAT or Metal Zone if you still want or need to. But it depends on the amp.

Bleeding as far as I know Morbid Angel was the only band on that list that uses RATs into Marshalls. I think Deicide used Metal Zones into Marshalls in the earlier days. Death was Marshall Valvestates. In the earlier days in Hate Eternal Eric used two Marshall Artists and an Ampeg Lee Jackson for all the solos but now he's using ENGL if I remember correctly.

Trichephalic 2008-01-05 11:09

My amp isnt the best, youre right. But i just bought it. Im not in the position to go out and buy a 600 dollar half stack.
Right now im getting the metal zone, ill look into some EMG's.
Are pickups easy to replace? Or does it take some knowledge?

the_bleeding 2008-01-05 14:18

emg's are easy to replace because they have quick connectors, other pickups require soldering which isnt too hard.

Oh, and i would recommend a RAT over a metalzone, definately more cut in it, and goooood metal tone compared to nasally fizz :)

try em both out.

7-string warlord 2008-01-05 15:53

If you have 300 dollars or whatever get a line 6 spider 3 combo amp. that sounds good with DD detonators. I have a spider 3 head and my backup Jackson has that same pickup in the bridge. So If you just get the combo it will be cheaper and still sound pretty good with that pickup.

Trichephalic 2008-01-05 20:47

I picked up the Metal zone today.
Right now im really happy. Its got a much larger range of tones than the DM pedal.
I guess ill look into some EMGs. :D

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