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Beowulf44 2007-06-24 20:19

"Brutal" cabs
 
Hey, sorry to make another thread, but I am just curious. I don't know if I will use this thread to make a purchase decision, I might, who knows, but it's moreso just to learn about amps and such... but ANYWAYS...

I'm curious, which cabinets out there have the most brutal and bassiest sound that you've heard?

Requiem 2007-06-24 20:38

You might want to try and get the cabinet that your favorite band uses. Go for their specific sound or just a guitarist who was a sound that you enjoy.

Beowulf44 2007-06-24 20:44

Where can I find that out? I guess my all time favorite guitar tone is the one Cannibal Corpse used on The Bleeding, any suggestions?

EDIT: I recently purchased an ENGL SE head to go along with my Jackson MG Warrior, I can still get that type of tone with that equipment, right? What kind of cab would work well with that for a 'The Bleeding' tone?

Requiem 2007-06-24 20:47

Sorry man I can't help you there. Just go to youtube and watch some of their older studio videos and live shows.

Myrmidonlord666 2007-06-24 20:59

Crate GX130C

And

Crate Blue Voodoo

Thats what they used around that period atleast as far as i've read

Beowulf44 2007-06-24 21:27

Thanks.

I wanted this topic to be about 'brutal' amps in general, not really a Cannibal Corpse tone thread, so I hope more people will post in it although my Corpse question has been answered.

Casketcrusher 2007-06-24 22:09

Why the fuck just not use a bass cabinet and run a guitar head through it. It be heavy as fuck and still remain clear.

Valtiel 2007-06-25 00:56

^^ Dont think thats the best idea...

Arsis 2007-06-25 01:26

i wouldnt imagine

Soeru 2007-06-25 03:52

A lot of death metal bands these days are using Rectifier cabinets these days. Vader cabs are also somewhat popular.

Casketcrusher 2007-06-25 09:59

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtiel
^^ Dont think thats the best idea...



I dunno I tried it once. Even running a distortion pedal through a bass rig. I'm just curious as to why it wouldn't be a good idea.

Def 2007-06-25 12:12

Because the speakers are tuned for a different tonal range.

It sounds like shit. Playing to a bass rig is even more rediculous.

If you play in drop A and only hit fret 1,2,3 then it might work for you though.


Like I said in your last thread, I have an Engl SE, Powerball, Savage and I used to have a Blackmore as well.

- I use a Marshall 1960 with all my Engl's. Because most places we play gigs at have 1960's and I won't have to drag mine along. It's the 'standard' of cabinets and it just sounds pretty good plus THEY LAST. (mine looks like crap but it's still going strong after 6 years!)
Not the best cabs around IMO but they sound relatively good.

- The Engl XXL with v30's sounds pretty good, the regular cabs are ok but the XXL has much richer tone. Very defined and tight, heavy as a mofo though...

- VHT cabs sound incredible with my Powerball, haven't played one with the SE but I expect the same. Defined lows and fluid mid/hi and a lot of punch.

- The older Mesa cabs (with the 2xEV's and 2xV30's) sound awesome, hard to find though and expensive. Very deep and punchy, great mids but medicore high tones if you don't tweak them on the amp itself.

Many other cabs sound good, Bogner, Framus, Brunetti, Orange (even though they look silly), Soldano, Koch, Rivera, Cool & Elfring and Hi-watt. There's too many too name and all have their own tone, just drag the amp along to the guitar store and try them all.

You just spend about 3500 dollar on a new amp, so get out there and take the effort to find the best possible cab fitting YOUR style. That's your own job, don't take our opinions for facts..

And get some pics of that SE!! :)

k13m 2007-06-25 12:54

if your after a tone that youve heard on a recorded album.. good luck, youll probaly never get it

Valtiel 2007-06-25 15:47

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casketcrusher
I dunno I tried it once. Even running a distortion pedal through a bass rig. I'm just curious as to why it wouldn't be a good idea.


On top of what Def said, just refer to the old saying saying "if it were a good idea, lots a people would be doing it." I cant think of one guitar player that uses a bass cab.

Plus, bass cabs are typically designed with very high power speakers. So add the fact that because of that, those speakers will sound extremely stiff and lifeless with the fact that the speakers themselves as well as the enclosure they are in are tuned to work with a bass and the frequencies it produces and it will equal a very bad idea. Tonally speaking of course.

the_bleeding 2007-06-25 15:50

the bleeding hahahahhaha oh man. tis my fuckin username.

for that album they used a mix of things. of which are:
crate shockwave
marshall jcm 900 (i believe it was the sl-x, don't quote me though)
marshall avt combos
and there may have been a peavey combo in there too.

and i also think they used a touch of chorus in some of their songs.

i'd say a sure fire way of getting that tone is a crate shockwave through a marshall cabinet. Either that or a jcm900 sl-x with a booster infront of it, and loaded with the hottest preamp tubes you can find.

Myrmidonlord666 2007-06-25 16:08

Luc lemay from gorguts used a MarshalL Preamp into a Ampeg VB4 100 watt tube BASS head into a 4x12

Ive seen guys use Bass cabs as the bottom of their guitar rig, it all depends on how low you tune

JOAMdude 2007-06-25 17:28

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtiel
I cant think of one guitar player that uses a bass cab.

.



Josh HOmme

John Holland 2007-06-25 18:02

If you really want a guitar tone that monstrous and ridiculous, the only way it'll fly ( from my first hand experience ) is to use a guitar cab AND a bass cab, but mix the volumes of the two. What I actually did was I used a preamp ( Line 6 PODXT in particular )'s two inputs each into separate channels of an 1800 watt poweramp, and for each speaker channel had one going to a guitar cab and one going to bass. On the bass side I had a 32 band EQ to boost/cut the frequencies I wanted. The guitar side was dry and I always had it louder than the bass side.
Nowadays I'd rather use the amplifier head of my choice and just use a Vector subwoofer guitar cab or something like that.

Valtiel 2007-06-25 18:16

I think that just gets rediculous, because you are taking up the bass players territory at that point.

the_bleeding 2007-06-25 18:24

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtiel
I think that just gets rediculous, because you are taking up the bass players territory at that point.

nice 666th post... but yeah... there are such things as NNFB bands... "no need for bassist". but those bands typically play matamps.


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