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NecroSociety 2007-02-11 22:11

Tremolo Picking
 
Does anyone have any tips for trem picking? and also what are good strings/gauges for tremolo picking?

deanguitars 2007-02-11 22:19

practice with a metronome, start slow then gradualy pick up speed until you can better at it.
as for strings it all depends on which tunings you use

the_bleeding 2007-02-11 22:21

put on a metronome, start fucking slow, get faster. When i practiced, i started with whole notes, and then half, quarter, eighth, sixteenth and so on. When i reached my ceiling of speed, i kept it there as long as i could to build up stamina.


strings dont matter because you will get used to whatever you practice on. I can trem pick on every string in 9, 10, and 11 gauge.
Picks however need to be stiff enough that they dont limit your speed. You dont want to wait a few miliseconds waiting your pick to straighten out do you? I prefer pickboy designer scorpion (theyre polished and slippery), .75-1mm for optimal tone and speed but i practice with a 1mm dunlop tortex pick because its more durable, its more of a challenge and it improves my playing. When i switch from dunlop to pickboy, i feel like im cheating because playing gets so much easier.

NecroSociety 2007-02-11 22:27

yea im starting to get speed up.....my arm just feels like its gonna fall off...im having trouble relazing my arm.

NecroSociety 2007-02-11 22:29

and once i get my speed up it dosent last very long lol

deanguitars 2007-02-11 22:42

just work with it. you'll get better if just stick with it. oh , and use your wrist instead of your arm. you'll play faster and your arm wont hurt

NecroSociety 2007-02-11 22:47

i get mixed responses on that, some say use your arm, others say your wrist....most of the time i do use me wrist, but since i started playing death metal i have been trying to use my arm becuase it makes me play faster, just dosent last to long.

John Holland 2007-02-12 03:31

I think its better to use your wrist with tremelo picking overall. I started with forearm picking, even though I could play fast ( I could play Cryptopsy songs ) I was always knocking the strings slightly sharp, and any time you're playing and you feel pain, something is wrong with your technique. I recently got a guitar teacher, and he said that my left hand was perfect, but my right hand technique was atrocious. So now I'm working on wrist picking, and I can handle some start/stop trem picking like some Disgorge and Fear Factory, but the Cryptopsy/Slayer stuff I end up reverting to just torquing my elbow. I'll definitely get there in time, and it'll be worth it, since wrist picking allows me these advantages over elbow picking :

1. greater control over dynamics, if I'm hitting the string with my wrist and not my arm exclusively, then if I want to play softly at higher speeds ( something I'll never do with my forearm ) I can do it much more easily.
2. more even separation of notes, and good staccato is all about even separation of notes. This is because my arm is making much less movement in general, meaning that movement is easier to control.
3. Stamina. The only thing that should be sore after I play, if at all, should be my fingertips. Not my joints. My 20 year old body can handle it now, but at say 35 it won't.

The guitarists whose picking technique I really want to emulate is Rusty Cooley's or Al Di Meola's.

All this said, if you don't have any of these problems using forearm picking, then more power to you!

metalpro 2007-02-12 13:04

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroSociety
i get mixed responses on that, some say use your arm, others say your wrist....most of the time i do use me wrist, but since i started playing death metal i have been trying to use my arm becuase it makes me play faster, just dosent last to long.


never ever use ur arm r u crazy???? the fucker will fall off, ull pull a muscle, a lot of shit could happen, use ur wrist, its faster and better in the long run. keep ur muscles relaxed, make sure ur fingers rnt flexed when u pick, that will restrict speed sometimes. and practice as if u dont have nething else to do.

the_bleeding 2007-02-12 14:34

Quote:
Originally Posted by metalpro
never ever use ur arm r u crazy???? the fucker will fall off, ull pull a muscle, a lot of shit could happen, use ur wrist, its faster and better in the long run. keep ur muscles relaxed, make sure ur fingers rnt flexed when u pick, that will restrict speed sometimes. and practice as if u dont have nething else to do.

your elbow isnt built for repetative fast movement. Your tendons will wear out, and you WILL get tendonitis, and then you'll never be able to play again. Let alone wash your own hair for weeks among other normal things you NEED your elbows for.

Deathmaster213 2007-02-12 14:38

Kerry King uses his wrist, but watch Jeff Hanneman and it looks like he plays with his whole forearm, I can't see how he's accurate at all, but he clearly is.

I personally recommend playing from the wrist though.

Soeru 2007-02-12 18:24

Combine both wrist and arm. I do a combination of both at the same time for extremely fast tremolo picking, where my arm doesn't look like it's moving at all, but is indeed vibrating fast. Thing is I'm not tense at all, nor do I ever get cramps from doing it. It only works for me with pointy guitars at waste height, not with strats. Hard to explain. The edge of the pointy body on my Ironbird contributes to it.

Anything slightly slower my wrist takes control.

For strats I have to go either all-out wrist or all-out elbow, but I know how to switch between both so I never get tired.

But if I'm doing mid-high speed picking I'll go only wrist, and all my runs/leads are with my wrist, except of course extremely fast ones that have tremolo picking.

If you're comfortable with whatever technique you have, then keep going at it. Don't force yourself to do it a certain way that's painful. Wrist technique iis great to learn because it makes you a far more efficient player, at first you'll feel dumb doing it cause you'll hit a ceiling where you can't play any faster no matter what you do, but then you have to realize that you don't have to move it faster, you have to make SMALLER wrist movements to be able to hit the string more times.

Also, very tight strings and THICK picks that don't bend at all are extremely helpful.

But yes always try to get the wrist technique better down, but don't forget about working that elbow too. Just do what's most comfortable.

Virus 2007-02-12 18:29

Can someone make a clip or something how wrist picking is supposed to be done? I use my arm a little but it doesn't really hurt, see here for reference, I can play for hours straight without pain nor exhaustion (except when my room is really fucking cold like now). But if it's dangerous I'd rather start using only my wrist.

belphegor79 2007-02-12 18:56

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virus
Can someone make a clip or something how wrist picking is supposed to be done? I use my arm a little but it doesn't really hurt, see here for reference, I can play for hours straight without pain nor exhaustion (except when my room is really fucking cold like now). But if it's dangerous I'd rather start using only my wrist.

The videos kindof choppy so it's hard to tell for sure, but it doesn't look like you're using that much arm. The big question is... does it hurt or not? I try to use as much wrist as possible because otherwise my shoulder gets a bit sore, not painful, just sore, and I want to eliminate all of that.

NecroSociety 2007-02-12 22:23

cool guys, thanks for the help.

JacksonMan007 2007-02-13 00:14

Quote:
Originally Posted by NecroSociety
i get mixed responses on that, some say use your arm, others say your wrist....most of the time i do use me wrist, but since i started playing death metal i have been trying to use my arm becuase it makes me play faster, just dosent last to long.


Alot of players find a middle ground between the two.

estringrev 2007-02-13 01:05

Personally I use a combo of my fingers and wrist for trem picking, and other fast things. For scale and such I try to use my fingers exclusively.


But yeah I'd say the best thing to do, and I think the most common way that picking is taught, is to practice using your wrist.


The best way to get trem picking down, is to grab a chair, turn on your favorite tv show, turn on your metronome, and practice with straight picking while throwing in a chromatic scale here and there to work our your left hand.

Tv works wonders for easy monotonous practice such as trem picking.

Sweeping and serious alt picking are different, you actually have to concentrate.

belphegor79 2007-02-13 01:21

Quote:
Originally Posted by estringrev
Personally I use a combo of my fingers and wrist for trem picking, and other fast things. For scale and such I try to use my fingers exclusively.


But yeah I'd say the best thing to do, and I think the most common way that picking is taught, is to practice using your wrist.


The best way to get trem picking down, is to grab a chair, turn on your favorite tv show, turn on your metronome, and practice with straight picking while throwing in a chromatic scale here and there to work our your left hand.

Tv works wonders for easy monotonous practice such as trem picking.

Sweeping and serious alt picking are different, you actually have to concentrate.
Haha, good advice really. Never tried the TV thing but I'm sure it works pretty well. My neighbor does the fingers thing and it looks almost effortless, but I'm pretty happy working on the wrist myself.

estringrev 2007-02-13 14:15

Trust me the Tv idea is a very good one. It does feel very comfortable using my fingers, so when I'm playing at a comfortable speed, it does feel effortless.

Me himself 2007-02-14 01:56

Quote:
Originally Posted by estringrev
The best way to get trem picking down, is to grab a chair, turn on your favorite tv show, turn on your metronome, and practice with straight picking while throwing in a chromatic scale here and there to work our your left hand.

Tv works wonders for easy monotonous practice such as trem picking.


That's what I do ALL FREAKIN' NIGHT. I go find a Beavis and Butthead episode on Youtube, and trem away. It's great for warming up and also developing stamina. The occasional chromatic scale is a cool idea too.

I used to trem pick using my arm and eventually told myself I was gonna change that, which I haven't used my arm since. Now since I've made the transition from arm to wrist, I've found that it's important and almost essential to anchor my hand with my pinky planted right below the bridge pickup. Whenever I see guys tremolo picking with their wrist without anchoring their hand somehow (i.e. Chuck Schuldiner), I get really puzzled because it seems impossible without that anchor. Got any explainations?? :confused:

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