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Casketcrusher 2006-12-28 20:39

How do you get the sound of...
 
Entombed on Left Hand Path. It's the heaviest, sickest guitar tone I have ever heard. It's so ranchy. In the booklet they said "Well it was a real easy set up. Everyone thinks it's some huge amp. It's a 40 Watt Peavey with a Distortion pedal on it. And everything is turned up to 10."

LOL I know I kind of just answered my own question. But I was wondering are there any suggestions on how I could get this sound through a larger amp? Like I was going to get a Marshall JCM900 but ever since I heard this guitar sound I fell in love with it. So I am going to be looking into Peavey's now since they have a really dirty sound. I have an Old DOD Death Metal distortion pedal and I also just got a Rat pedal and they both work wonders on my amp. The DOD is very close to the sound I want I was just wondering what head would be best to go with it?

the_bleeding 2006-12-28 22:30

jcm 800 or 5150 with a boss hm-2 heavy metal pedal as a boost for the amp distortion.

Valtiel 2006-12-28 23:02

HM-2's can be had real cheap on ebay too. I would still recommend going with something more like a JCM900 as far as amps go.

the_bleeding 2006-12-28 23:28

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtiel
HM-2's can be had real cheap on ebay too. I would still recommend going with something more like a JCM900 as far as amps go.


i got mine for 12$... you could probably find one for under 50.

Casketcrusher 2006-12-29 01:09

Hmmm maybe a JCM900. But out of Peavey what would be a good head. I want to stay away from the 5150 personally. I don't really like it at all. I was thinking maybe the XXX with the MT-2 or DOD Death Metal yay or nay?

Valtiel 2006-12-29 01:13

I say nay, if you are looking for that old school DM kind of sound, the XXX is too modern.

*insert name here* 2006-12-29 02:01

Modern, and doesnt need a distortion pedal in front of it.

Soeru 2006-12-29 09:00

Get some decent solid state amp.

Ie: Randall Cyclone or Warhead
Ampeg VH140/SS140/SS70.

Those are probably the most reliable tight high gain amps in existence.

Or a Sansamp PSA-1 preamp and a Tech 21/VHT/Carvin or other high quality solid state poweramp. You can't get any more tight buzzsaw Entomed-like brutal than that.

Casketcrusher 2006-12-29 11:55

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Get some decent solid state amp.

Ie: Randall Cyclone or Warhead
Ampeg VH140/SS140/SS70.

Those are probably the most reliable tight high gain amps in existence.

Or a Sansamp PSA-1 preamp and a Tech 21/VHT/Carvin or other high quality solid state poweramp. You can't get any more tight buzzsaw Entomed-like brutal than that.


What series are those Randalls? I tried out a Randall V2 and MTS in the store the other day and I thought they sounded great.

Soeru 2006-12-29 13:03

The Cyclone and Warhead are their own series.

The new Randalls you can find in stores are meh. They're essentially tube amps with replaceable tube preamp modules. Some others are tube pre/SS poweramp, which is the essentially the same type of garbage as the Marshall AVT/Valvestate. Stay away from those.

The old RG combo series were pretty decent, but the Cyclone and Warhead heads and combos are a bit more serious amps.

But the Ampeg VH140C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All other solid state metal amps. ;)

Casketcrusher 2006-12-29 13:46

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
The Cyclone and Warhead are their own series.

The new Randalls you can find in stores are meh. They're essentially tube amps with replaceable tube preamp modules. Some others are tube pre/SS poweramp, which is the essentially the same type of garbage as the Marshall AVT/Valvestate. Stay away from those.

The old RG combo series were pretty decent, but the Cyclone and Warhead heads and combos are a bit more serious amps.

But the Ampeg VH140C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All other solid state metal amps. ;)


Didn't Chuck Schuldiner use a Valvestate?

Soeru 2006-12-29 18:24

Yes, doesn't mean they're not lame amps.

Edit: Actually old valvestates aint THAT bad, but they're still crap compared to good all-SS or all-tube amps. The AVT(modern version of valvestate) is absolute gobshite though.

Deathmaster213 2006-12-29 18:30

If you want that sound, you probably should go for the JCM-800 with a Tube Screamer or Boss OD/Dist pedal in front of it.

No point in buying a relatively expensive modern high gain amp just to make it sound like that.

My thoughts anyway.

Soeru 2006-12-30 14:59

Better yet a JCM-900, that's higher gain than the 800. Obituary used them, their sound is somewhat similar to dismember's.

But you only get that style of tight sounds out of solid state.

Casketcrusher 2006-12-30 15:35

Alright I am going to use a
Marshall JCM900 head
Peavey 6505 Cabinet
with a
Proco Rat
I was also thinking a VOX cabinet might be good also.

Valtiel 2006-12-30 17:19

Great setup, although im not sure about the 6505 cabinet. I would either go with a high end marshall cab or check out avatar's new vintage 4x12's at avatarspeakers.com. They are some seriously badass cabs and you could get an X pattern or Celestion V30's and G12T-75's for a fuckin brooootal DM sound.

the_bleeding 2006-12-30 17:41

you wont get that sound without an hm-2. Proco, DOD, Maxon and Ibanez pedals wont do it.

Soeru 2006-12-30 17:42

+1. Great setup. Lame cab maybe. Avatars are awesome and cheap. Some other cheap alternatives are 2nd hand vintage 30 equipped Crate or Ampeg 4x12's on ebay, can be had for as little as 200$.

Or a beatup Marshall 1960A/B 4x12 cab. Now stop asking how to get oldschool death metal tone, you're already considering the most ACCURATE rig out there! :p

bleeding, if Obituary got their sound out of a JCM900 + a Proco, he doesn't need a HM-2 or other fizzy "metal" pedal.

the_bleeding 2006-12-30 17:47

not fizzy at all... infact the distortion has almost no grain to it. Its just really nasal, which added to amp distortino gets you Entombed chainsaw grind tone. Old Celtic frost uses an hm-2, infact i think all their tone comes from it...

Soeru 2006-12-30 19:26

If you have the same recording gear they had in that studio where they recorded Left Hand Path, buy the same pedal and Peavey amp, you'll get the same sound if you were bent on nailing it. It's not going to sound as great in person/live situation though, so invest in something else if you really care about tone. Nailing highly studio-processed sounds is nearly impossible.


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