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underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 20:08

Seymour Duncan Livewire METAL Humbuckers
 
a guy local is selling a set of these for $50, I couldnt believe it, I told him I only wanted the bridge pickup and could give him $30 and he said ok so I'm picking it up tomorrow and i dont even know what guitar I'm going to put it in. I just know its awesome sounding from the clip on the seymour duncan website and it's probably the highest output pickup i can get. he says no hardware is included. what potentiometer should i use? this pickup takes 18 volts right?? I dont even know if the guitar tech at sam ash would know how to wire it up..? oh well its only $30! hahaha retail cost is $224.25 for the set. :flame: :angel:
:vampire:

underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 20:19

anyone use this pickup or the set? should I just buy both pickups? I dont know how the neck pickup sounds its part of the metal livewire set but theres no clips on the seymour duncan website. probably nothing special, thats why i told him i just wanted the bridge pup. any thoughts?

brainsforbreakfast 2006-12-20 20:42

it's an active, right?

duncan doesn't make very good actives like emg doesn't make good passives :p

well, that was a bit overstated. may not be the best highest gain sd pickup you can find, but I hope you'll like it.

the_bleeding 2006-12-20 20:56

you need 25k pots, and the only way to check how it sounds is by getting it in there and playing it. I'd say get both... check how it is... man its only 50$ for 2 pups, and if theyre shit, ebay them for 75 :p

underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 21:03

Quote:
Originally Posted by brainsforbreakfast
it's an active, right?

duncan doesn't make very good actives like emg doesn't make good passives :p

well, that was a bit overstated. may not be the best highest gain sd pickup you can find, but I hope you'll like it.


Ok, I will assume you havn't heard it so go here and check out the LW-HMET Live Wire Metal bridge pickup

http://www.seymourduncan.com/SDToneWizard/hummer.shtml

Looking for people who play with this pickup or the livewire set. But people, dont get these confused with the LW-CH1 Live Wire Classics, totally different pickups(dont like those).

underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 21:04

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_bleeding
you need 25k pots, and the only way to check how it sounds is by getting it in there and playing it. I'd say get both... check how it is... man its only 50$ for 2 pups, and if theyre shit, ebay them for 75 :p


yeah plus cost of installation. I need to learn to swap pickups pretty soon lol. but does anyone actually use these?

the_bleeding 2006-12-20 21:06

Quote:
Originally Posted by underaserpentsun
exactly :) but does anyone actually use these?


dark funeral use them, and their tone is SICK, probably one of my favorites ever... if only i knew the rest of their gear.

underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 21:10

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_bleeding
dark funeral use them, and their tone is SICK, probably one of my favorites ever... if only i knew the rest of their gear.


haha im sitting here listening to them right now(older stuff). yes thats what im shooting for, i just assumed they use marshalls. not my favorite band but yeah the tone is great

EDIT: looks like they use randall amps/cabs nowadays

the_bleeding 2006-12-20 21:14

Quote:
Originally Posted by underaserpentsun
haha im sitting here listening to them right now. yes thats what im shooting for, i just assumed they use marshalls. not my favorite band but yeah the tone is great


i know they use marshall, the question is WHICH marshalls, and what kind of crazy rack gear/pedals are in between?

xdislexicx 2006-12-20 23:08

i like livewires. they're nothing like emg's. but that's not always a bad thing. some people hate emgs. i say buy both, since they're active it'll be easier to have two active pickups set up in that guitar. you can mix passives and actives, it just may be a bigger pain.

underaserpentsun 2006-12-20 23:26

Quote:
Originally Posted by xdislexicx
i like livewires. they're nothing like emg's. but that's not always a bad thing. some people hate emgs. i say buy both, since they're active it'll be easier to have two active pickups set up in that guitar. you can mix passives and actives, it just may be a bigger pain.


i have two guitars
les paul copy w/JB bridge/stock neck
jackson slsmg soloist w/emg85 bridge/passive emg 'h' neck

so the jackson is already painfully setup with a passive/active mix. i bought it off ebay setup this way. theres a switch inside the cavity and switching it one way makes the neck pup louder, i dunno anything more about how its setup. anyways, its started making noise when i play and all the solders in the back are good so i dont know what to do. there is a jumble of wires back there. I may take the guitar to just have this livewire set put in but like I said i dont know if it would be difficult for my guitar tech to install them(or even 'uninstall the mess back there now lol). he said he hadnt done a 18 volt active pickup setup before when i asked him about doing that with an emg 81 a while back. we'll have to see what he says but hes more of the lazy pot smoker type (nothing wrong with that!) and i dont think that he knows that much about electronics. may have to look for a new guitar tech.

Silent Night 6 6 2006-12-21 05:30

Dave Mustaine....

*insert name here* 2006-12-21 07:27

Cheap actives. They sound nice for medium/lower gain stuff. I see them around for so cheap.

brainsforbreakfast 2006-12-21 11:53

Quote:
Originally Posted by underaserpentsun
i have two guitars
les paul copy w/JB bridge/stock neck
jackson slsmg soloist w/emg85 bridge/passive emg 'h' neck


don't put it in the lp. You'd have another passive/active combination, and actives don't really give good tonewood any props.
You probably want to put it in the neck of the soloist, but what wood is it made of?

underaserpentsun 2006-12-21 15:42

Quote:
Originally Posted by brainsforbreakfast
don't put it in the lp. You'd have another passive/active combination, and actives don't really give good tonewood any props.
You probably want to put it in the neck of the soloist, but what wood is it made of?


the soloist is mahoghany. the metal livewire(that im definitely getting) is a bridge pickup. no one puts that in the neck. it wont make a clean sound at all so they say. if anything it will go in the bridge of the soloist, in place of the emg85.. then i will sell the emg85..

Valtiel 2006-12-21 15:59

But then you would have another passive/active mix. I would definitely ditch the passive EMG, keep the 85 and put it in the neck, and install the livewire in the bridge position. Passive EMG's are pretty lousy pickups anyway.

underaserpentsun 2006-12-21 18:53

Quote:
Originally Posted by Valtiel
But then you would have another passive/active mix. I would definitely ditch the passive EMG, keep the 85 and put it in the neck, and install the livewire in the bridge position. Passive EMG's are pretty lousy pickups anyway.


the passive EMG 'H' actually sounded really good clean, but as I said it's making a static noise now. Also, I don't like an EMG85 in the neck so much, EMG60's are much better for me.

Anyways, I got the pickup set.

Pickup 1 - Tag says IMD67 HMBHB-LW-B
Pickup 2 - Tag says IME11 HB-LW-Bridge

They look identical other than the tags on the back. Are they both bridge pickups? I'm going to email seymour duncan and find out. With the Livewire Metal set, it's supposed to come with a 'Classic version' for when cleans are needed because the metal livewire doesn't create true clean tones. The guy I got these from said you can put either one in the bridge because they are the same thing but I don't believe that as the identification numbers on the back are different. :p

DemonicSlaughteR 2006-12-21 21:52

i have not used them but dont buy them because of how they sound on the computer ,buy them because you have used and liked them ,I bet they sound nothing like on the website ..........you will probably like the gear they recorded the clip with instead of the pickup

underaserpentsun 2006-12-22 18:37

Heres what a seymour duncan tech guy said about them.

Hi Jason,
It looks like you have two bridge models. But they can still be used in
the same guitar.
Production codes can vary, but it’s safe to say they’re both bridge models.
Live Wires whether used alone or in a pair require 18volts. Also, the values of potentiometers they require are different (100K for ours and 25K for EMG).

So I think I will keep one, sell the other, and try to find an EMG60 for my neck position. Will that be a bitch to wire up because of the difference in voltage and pots required for the two pickups?

brainsforbreakfast 2006-12-22 18:50

Quote:
Originally Posted by underaserpentsun
Heres what a seymour duncan tech guy said about them.

Hi Jason,
It looks like you have two bridge models. But they can still be used in
the same guitar.
Production codes can vary, but it’s safe to say they’re both bridge models.
Live Wires whether used alone or in a pair require 18volts. Also, the values of potentiometers they require are different (100K for ours and 25K for EMG).

So I think I will keep one, sell the other, and try to find an EMG60 for my neck position. Will that be a bitch to wire up because of the difference in voltage and pots required for the two pickups?


Well, I know it won't severly fuck up your sound when you use 'wrong' valued pots with passives, but I honestly can't tell about actives.
Here's a question, how important are pots to you? you don't have to have them, you can just put in the pickups, a switch, and route them to the jack. That's what I did with my strat copy.


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