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4d5e6f 2006-12-10 20:17

B standard on a 24.75" scale guitar?
 
Does anybody here know what string gauge to use to achieve B standard on a 24.75" scale guitar? I know it has to be higher than normal due to the shorter neck. I bought 13-56s and they aren't nearly high enough to use B standard. Does anybody here know what gauge to use?

PS: I would post this in the tuning help thread but nobody checks that, and I'd like to get some answers soon.

Soeru 2006-12-10 20:40

Well, nile tune to drop A on their 24.75" Deans so there should be no problem. 13-56's should suffice, are you using Dean Markley's? They're tighter than most of the other brands with the same guage. Maybe try some baritone guitar strings, so long as the string guage is not unreasonably high so that u have to cut your nut a lot for them to fit.

the_bleeding 2006-12-10 20:48

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Well, nile tune to drop A on their 24.75" Deans so there should be no problem. 13-56's should suffice, are you using Dean Markley's? They're tighter than most of the other brands with the same guage. Maybe try some baritone guitar strings, so long as the string guage is not unreasonably high so that u have to cut your nut a lot for them to fit.


baritone strings are insane... 14-68? CRIZAZY!

Casketcrusher 2006-12-10 20:52

I used to use 13-56s for one of my guitars tuned to B bu then changed it to DR High Beams 10-52 Light and Heavy. It actually works fine. A lot of people disagree but Nile use 10 or 11s but use a 56 I belive for the low A.

the_bleeding 2006-12-10 20:54

Quote:
Originally Posted by Casketcrusher
I used to use 13-56s for one of my guitars tuned to B bu then changed it to DR High Beams 10-52 Light and Heavy. It actually works fine. A lot of people disagree but Nile use 10 or 11s but use a 56 I belive for the low A.


it explains why their vibrato is so wide... and their high notes sound so flimsy... but hey, high strings tend to keep tension better than the low ones....

4d5e6f 2006-12-10 21:27

Thanks guys. I gave B another try on my 13-56s, and, while the tension is nowhere near what I'm used to, I guess I'll adapt. Maybe I'll check out some baritone strings later on, though I did look those up today and 14-68 daddarios were like like $9 per pack online, euch. Plus 13-56s are basically a set of 10-46 without the 10 and with the lower string, and I used to play on 10-46s, so... yeah. *edit* wow, B standard is like the sexiest tuning ever made.

Deathmaster213 2006-12-11 04:38

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_bleeding
baritone strings are insane... 14-68? CRIZAZY!

Baritone scale is 29.75 inches, hense the heavy gauge.

Soeru 2006-12-11 05:27

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_bleeding
it explains why their vibrato is so wide... and their high notes sound so flimsy... but hey, high strings tend to keep tension better than the low ones....

Sanders also has scalloped frets so that increases the vibrato range a lot too.

I hate flimsy string action.

4d5e6f 2006-12-11 06:41

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathmaster213
Baritone scale is 29.75 inches, hense the heavy gauge.


I always thought it was 27.0 inches?

the_bleeding 2006-12-11 11:33

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4d5e6f
I always thought it was 27.0 inches?


27 inches is baritone guitar... maybe he accidentally got it confused with another instrument?

Soeru 2006-12-11 13:40

Btw anyone here actually play baritone guitars?

k13m 2006-12-11 14:12

you know whats so lame, y put even thicker strings on a baritone?? when you have a 27'' scale it will already tighten the strings, i dont realy get that.

k13m 2006-12-11 14:13

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Btw anyone here actually play baritone guitars?
six feet under 640(??) plays a baritone i believe.

Deathmaster213 2006-12-11 14:42

Quote:
Originally Posted by the_bleeding
27 inches is baritone guitar... maybe he accidentally got it confused with another instrument?

Baritones seem to be anything above 26".

Find a pack of these:
http://www.myhrbraaten.no/images/XL157%20baritone.gif

..and look on the back and they'll say they are for a 29.75" scale. They have them in the guitar shop I work at, and whats more, I measured the scale on the only Baritone they have in the shop, and thats how long it was.

I know ESP and Ibanez use 27" though. 29.75 was too much, and wasn't comfortable at all to play... I'd rather just play a bass!

the_bleeding 2006-12-11 16:19

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Btw anyone here actually play baritone guitars?


i played the old schecter scorpion baritone a while back... it was fucking insane. The frets were really far apart (im used to 24.75), and the strings were thick as fuck. It reminded me of bass strings, no joke. You would think they'd feel real tight, but the strings had a little more slack than i was used to. Lots of fun though, incredibly awesome to play... especially through the 6505 they had in the store... i just played old arch enemy until my fingers hurt... it was sweet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by k13m
you know whats so lame, y put even thicker strings on a baritone?? when you have a 27'' scale it will already tighten the strings, i dont realy get that.

The 2 inches of increase (give or take) don't tighten the strings that much, especially for the low tuning it uses... that, and regular strings would be impossible to intonate on a larger scale... the tune-o-matic would be 2 inches away from where it woudl need to be! ... So, you get strings with a mass appropriate to the needed intonation scale.

TangledMortalCoil 2006-12-11 16:48

I've seen people buy 7-string packs and toss out the high E and just use the B to B. This might give you some more variety in the gauge ranges that are available for tunings like B.

BY THE WAY: people with RGs (25.5") tuned down to B, do you prefer 13-56 or 12-52? or something else? I have 12s now, and I want to try 13, but with the work involved with the trem tension and re-tuning, I would like to hear some opinions first.

4d5e6f 2006-12-11 16:54

How much tighter are Dean Markleys? Wouldn't the greater tension make them higher pitched, meaning you'd need to lower your tension even more? And how does their sound compare to GHS Boomers? I think I might buy a set of http://www.wholenote.com/store/prod...C.DM2505C-3SETS the next time I get more strings and throw out the upper E, like somebody here suggested.

Soeru 2006-12-11 17:53

I've played DM 13-56'ers in B and C#, and those are the fuckin tightest I've ever played. Tighter than those GHS lo tune 70 or 60-11 guages(the flimsy high end string choice is retarted, impossible to shred at low tunings).

Gibson .13 Flatwounds are also insanely tight, though unreasonably more expensive than other strings out there... Like anything with the Gibson brand on it(cases, amps, guitars...)

Damn I didn't know DM made 7-string packs! Gotta grab some of those, I have 52-10's on my Universe but they're a tad flimsy on A#, I'm sure that low B with 60s will sound and feel fucking great and percussive.

I like tight strings cause I can feel the whole guitar vibrate, and I'm no masochist. I hate playing guitars that don't vibrate with the strings because of too low action or thin strings.

Deathmaster213 2006-12-11 18:10

A 52 for a A#? that is kinda light, I use a 56 for my Low B. I used to use a 60 for my B, but it was just silly.

ThornsOfHeaven200 2006-12-12 10:31

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
I like tight strings cause I can feel the whole guitar vibrate, and I'm no masochist. I hate playing guitars that don't vibrate with the strings because of too low action or thin strings.

I feel the same way. I love the feel of tight strings, but then again i am slightly a masochist. :p
Like I said many times before, I use 13s in standard and i can feel all the vibrations through the guitar. I love it. It also helps me gain some more finger strength so when i play with 13s in B tuning i can fucking rip through them like they're nothing.


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