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SilentScreamer 2006-10-27 10:49

Good practice amp?
 
Hey,

I'm a bassist who started playing guitar like a year ago. I'm getting pretty good but I don't know shit about guitar amps. I borrowed my friend's 15 watts Crate and I wish I could get a better sound without having to pay a thousand bucks.

So do you guys have any suggestions for a good practice amp (15-30 watts) ?

I heard good things about Orange amps and they don't look to pricey at all on eBay. Roland Cube is a suggestion I also got... Anyone?

the_bleeding 2006-10-27 11:46

orange are super fucking pricey as fuck. Unless you get the orange crush, and those are crap for metal, so fuck em. Roland cube is nice because its a modelling amp, and if its just for practice, its all you really need. Roland can get you lots of sounds... so you arent stuck between clean and brand name distortion... you can get like 6 different kinds of disto :)

Sythke21 2006-10-28 03:51

i have a roland 30 cube, i dont use many of the other channels often so i cant comment, but the 3 or so distortion channels arent great, except for the r-fier setting, which absolutly rocks for metal on a budget :D

sixsicsix 2006-10-28 18:52

who the fuck tried to sell you a 30 watt amp for 1000 bucks?
go out and get yourself a 100 watt swr working combo, or laney, or behringer or something.
If you plan on being with other instruments, a 30 watt is useless.

Soeru 2006-10-30 06:52

30W combo amp? TECH 21 TRADEMARK 30 BITCH! I used to own one, it was my first amp that I saved a up some good cash to buy my first electric rig. I love it and still regret selling the fucker, but now I have an Engl tube head and can't complain. :) You could get so many sounds out of it it was just awesome, and sounded great at high volumes not shitty like many other 30W combo amps. The tone was rich and natural, not fizzy or digital sounding. I compared it to a Roland Cube and the Tech 21 blew it the fuck away in every aspect, the Cube effects are horrible, the Tech 21's spring reverb sounded much better. Not to mention the distortion was very tweakable and you could get good sounds for anything brutal or soft. Now the TM30 does cost 270 bucks though, more expensive than other 30W combo amps, but it's worth every penny. It has XLR outs too so you can hook it up directly to a PA without the need of micing it and gives you infinitely better sound quality for recording too.

I wouldn't reccomend a Behringer or most affordable Laney SS amps, despite they're price. They sound horrible at higher volumes especially the Laney, and the Behringer... you probably won't get better tones out of it than your Crate.

Watts don't mean shit. A TM30 cranked will sound 10x better than any Behringer combo amp cranked, they use better speakers and the preamp/poweramp doesn't sound like shit. The Cube isn't bad especially not if you're getting started on guitar but if you wan't some really pimpin tone save up for the Tech 21.

the_bleeding 2006-10-30 10:22

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
30W combo amp? TECH 21 TRADEMARK 30 BITCH!

I wouldn't reccomend a Behringer or most affordable Laney SS amps,




tech 21, you can get a shitload of sounds out of them, but i find they need tweaking, and are for higher budget, rockin tone though.

Soeru is right... NEVER BUY A BEHRINGER! it will poop out on you in exactly a 2 years and will never work again. its the worst investment in the world. EVER!

Valtiel 2006-10-30 10:37

Quote:
Originally Posted by sixsicsix
who the fuck tried to sell you a 30 watt amp for 1000 bucks?
go out and get yourself a 100 watt swr working combo, or laney, or behringer or something.
If you plan on being with other instruments, a 30 watt is useless.


Read the post. He's looking for a guitar amp, not a bass amp.

The Tech21's are definitely great for that sort of thing. The Roland cube isnt bad, its pretty much what you would expect out of a 200-350$ modeling combo. If you can afford it, grab a Tech21.

tmfreak 2006-10-30 12:25

I got the Vox Valvetronix 30 watt amp. I paid i think 200 for this (guitar center took off some money for me like they always do)

This thing is pretty kick ass. Probably half the distorton settings i don't like, but there are some ones in there that kick ass, and the cleans are pretty solid.

It has a ton of extremely changeable effects that are pretty decient. It also features a built in variable noise suppressor.

It also has an optional footswitch that i bought and its pretty sweet, you can switch between 2 programmable channels (both type of gain, and effects on it) and you can turn on and off the effects with the other switch

SilentScreamer 2006-10-30 17:31

Quote:
Originally Posted by sixsicsix
who the fuck tried to sell you a 30 watt amp for 1000 bucks?
go out and get yourself a 100 watt swr working combo, or laney, or behringer or something.
If you plan on being with other instruments, a 30 watt is useless.


That's why I wrote I needed a practice amp, I'm not going to play with a band any time soon. Just doing my recordings on my own.

Thanks for all the suggestions!

k13m 2006-10-30 18:31

i dig the cubes, i do some work in a guitar store few days a week, and everytime i play a guitar, its through a cube, cuz they just sound awesome clean :D thr reverb isnt bad either, ofcuz the dist lack, but what can you expect, most 400/500 euro amps (new) suck alot harder so :D... the ones i play in that store, and the store is pretty shitty i might add :D

didnt ibanez or so make a small full tube amp, like a 15 watt pre and powertube amp?
i never played it, but who knows it might be nice.

the_bleeding 2006-10-30 20:02

Quote:
Originally Posted by k13m
didnt ibanez or so make a small full tube amp, like a 15 watt pre and powertube amp?
i never played it, but who knows it might be nice.


i've only heard of their 100 watt thermion...

Sycophant 2006-10-30 21:19

Along with what everyone's suggested, I'd recommend a Line 6 Spider series...
But the Vox Valvetronic is a hell of a deal.

k13m 2006-10-31 07:50

i played a vox valvetronic for 2 hours in a store today, goddammit that thing sucks, the cle3ans aer ok, the effects are ok aswell, but nothing to be realy enthousiastic about, but goddamn all the distortions are horrible, id take the cube.


also, did you try out some amps at a store? ro did you just ask for suggestions here in the first place?, anmyway, play them and deicide what you think will woprk for you.

tmfreak 2006-10-31 09:20

Quote:
Originally Posted by k13m
i played a vox valvetronic for 2 hours in a store today, goddammit that thing sucks, the cle3ans aer ok, the effects are ok aswell, but nothing to be realy enthousiastic about, but goddamn all the distortions are horrible, id take the cube.


also, did you try out some amps at a store? ro did you just ask for suggestions here in the first place?, anmyway, play them and deicide what you think will woprk for you.


I'm not going to completely disagree with you, theres alot of crud with the amp. But did you play and let hte store people dial in the tones? If you didn't do that, then in my opinion you made the fundamental error in testing out an amp you don't know how to use.

But i'm not going to attempt to lessen your opinion in anyways or your knowledge, cause to be honest like i said out of like 6 distortion channels there is one that is decient and another that i really really like. Its label nu-metal go fucking figure. I had to turn th highs all the way up, mids scooped a lil, and bass sitting at 12 or maybe 1. The rest..... yeah they sound pretty bad. More muffled than anything.

Meshes well with my crate when i record the 2. But its definately worth the money.

Soeru 2006-10-31 10:58

Oh so you're only gonna be using it for recording? Then dude, go grab a Tech 21/Sansamp GT2 pedal instead. It's a "Guitar preamp in a pedal" type thing, it's essentially like if you ripped out the preamp section from a tech 21 amp. It is motherfucking GOLD for recording just hook it up to your computer/mixer/recording interface and hear it through your comp's speakers. You can get em used for 120$.

And if you later need to amplify the signal like a real amp, buy a Tech 21 Power Engine 60, which is a 60W powered cab(so you don't need a poweramp), specially made for preamp pedals. OR an Atomic Reactor amp, which is essentially the same thing but uses poweramp tubes and may sound better at very high volumes.

But if you're not sure if you're gonna be playing strictly at home or not just get a regular Trademark 30 amp. The Trademark 10's are like 60$ cheaper but not very loud, but still sounds better than the Cube.

the_bleeding 2006-10-31 14:23

if you want a REAL practice amp, get a badcat hot cat, or a black cat. ;)

you'll need a booster to bring out the grit though.

tmfreak 2006-10-31 23:04

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Oh so you're only gonna be using it for recording? Then dude, go grab a Tech 21/Sansamp GT2 pedal instead. It's a "Guitar preamp in a pedal" type thing, it's essentially like if you ripped out the preamp section from a tech 21 amp. It is motherfucking GOLD for recording just hook it up to your computer/mixer/recording interface and hear it through your comp's speakers. You can get em used for 120$.

And if you later need to amplify the signal like a real amp, buy a Tech 21 Power Engine 60, which is a 60W powered cab(so you don't need a poweramp), specially made for preamp pedals. OR an Atomic Reactor amp, which is essentially the same thing but uses poweramp tubes and may sound better at very high volumes.

But if you're not sure if you're gonna be playing strictly at home or not just get a regular Trademark 30 amp. The Trademark 10's are like 60$ cheaper but not very loud, but still sounds better than the Cube.



Uh sorry to burst your bubble ahha, but its more for practice than recording, i'm just saying it sounds good recorded too. But i'll keep that in mind (the preamp) haven't thought about trying a direct in like that before. That brings up some intresting ideas.....

Death By Monkeys 2006-11-01 02:12

Im enjoying my peavey bandit 112 (80 watts). It only cost me $275 on ebay and I love it. I guess 80 watts is little more than a 'practice' amp but I practice on it, and it's fine. I really don't know a whole lot about amps either.

Oh and Ive only been playing for about a year too. :p

k13m 2006-11-01 10:03

Quote:
Originally Posted by tmfreak
I'm not going to completely disagree with you, theres alot of crud with the amp. But did you play and let hte store people dial in the tones? If you didn't do that, then in my opinion you made the fundamental error in testing out an amp you don't know how to use.
actualy, last time i played it was for a hour or so in the store i work, but my friend used to own one, so ive played it plenty of times and tryd to get a good sound from it while being at his house. but we never got any good distorted tone from the thing. he ended up selling it to buy a dual recto.

SilentScreamer 2006-11-02 14:20

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soeru
Oh so you're only gonna be using it for recording? Then dude, go grab a Tech 21/Sansamp GT2 pedal instead. It's a "Guitar preamp in a pedal" type thing, it's essentially like if you ripped out the preamp section from a tech 21 amp. It is motherfucking GOLD for recording just hook it up to your computer/mixer/recording interface and hear it through your comp's speakers. You can get em used for 120$.

And if you later need to amplify the signal like a real amp, buy a Tech 21 Power Engine 60, which is a 60W powered cab(so you don't need a poweramp), specially made for preamp pedals. OR an Atomic Reactor amp, which is essentially the same thing but uses poweramp tubes and may sound better at very high volumes.

But if you're not sure if you're gonna be playing strictly at home or not just get a regular Trademark 30 amp. The Trademark 10's are like 60$ cheaper but not very loud, but still sounds better than the Cube.


Sounds interesting. I already have a Delta 44 for recording so I guess that would be the perfect choice for me. The samples on their website sound pretty good : http://www.tech21nyc.com/gt2.html


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