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Overmind 2005-07-26 20:57

Thinking about bass
 
I find that when I'm playing DM or BM on guitar, I like to pick the strings harder to express more aggression, to the point where they've been plucked and start to rattle. It doesn't sound good, especially when the strings start to go out of tune. And it doesn't really add much aggression to the sound of the guitar. With guitar it feels like I have to be calm and not get into the music as much or it will sound like crap, that a robotic technique is more important than expression and that the amp adds all the aggression needed. Like I have to pick gently to play properly, so the pick slides over the strings nicely without accentuating any note. I can't really enjoy playing DM or BM music because of this, as I naturally like to convert the aggressive nature of parts of the songs into my picking technique, which doesn't translate into a more aggressive sound. I find that guitar just doesn't cut it, unless I'm playing something more melodic in the high end with string bends and vibrato etc, or if I'm playing acoustic arpeggio's (both are a different aesthetic altogether).

When I think about bass, I have the impression that it's more expressive. That picking harder or softer actually expresses and accentuates notes better than guitar, and that the fatter notes give it a more expressive character that's more enjoyable when playing alone. I also have the impression that bass is more versatile, since fingerpicking an electric bass is as valid a technique as using a pick (and vica versa), and that bass can be used in more styles of music.

Is this correct? The only experience I have with bass, is the bass emulator on my gnx3, which is a piece of crap.

956Wulfe 2005-07-27 14:38

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Originally Posted by Overmind
That picking harder or softer actually expresses and accentuates notes better than guitar, and that the fatter notes give it a more expressive character that's more enjoyable when playing alone. I also have the impression that bass is more versatile, since fingerpicking an electric bass is as valid a technique as using a pick (and vica versa), and that bass can be used in more styles of music.


you are somewhat correct in that, the strength in which you pick does change the sound of the bass, but from experience I've found that picking really hard gives it a kind of pull/slap sound, which doesn't fit in very well in BM (what I play) unless you play it really really fast and with high tones almost maxed out.

but of course, everyone has a different opinion.. this is just my own from experience, I'm sure others can give you better orientation than me :)

Tulvox 2005-07-27 19:17

I just have to say three things.

1) Get yourself a new guitar.

2) Play it right. You don't go running cars into trees do you? So why would you treat a guitar so bad.

3) Pick? Bass? :rofl:

Overmind 2005-07-27 19:22

It might make it clank too, either against the pickups or the frets, which I've heard a lot in heavy music. Guitar just seems like a finicky girly instrument because it doesn't let me abuse it as much as I want to, you know? I might just order a Cort B5 and give it a go.

McCalister999 2005-07-27 22:47

Play bass. It's more fun.
But really, I love picking aggresively for certain types of music, although I've never tried BM or DM. Listen to Tool's frist two albums if you want a great example of aggresive picking.

Overmind 2005-07-28 18:07

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Originally Posted by Tulvox
I just have to say three things.

1) Get yourself a new guitar.

2) Play it right. You don't go running cars into trees do you? So why would you treat a guitar so bad.

3) Pick? Bass? :rofl:


Wow, this really did miss the point.
1) A new guitar isn't going to let me play harder or more aggressive, like I want to.
2) Why should I play guitar right when my playing style leans more towards bass?
3) I don't know if I can say I'm suprised at this comment, but it's usually made by non-metal bassists or noobs. This comment really invalidated your post.

Overmind 2005-07-28 18:13

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Originally Posted by McCalister999
Play bass. It's more fun.
But really, I love picking aggresively for certain types of music, although I've never tried BM or DM. Listen to Tool's frist two albums if you want a great example of aggresive picking.


I was thinking more along the lines of Deicide. But I'll dig up some tool a friend sent me and have a listen anyway. I was recently learning some Deicide and was unsatisfied with the role of the guitars.

OpethFan 2005-07-29 00:28

Well maybe you should try out bass, even though bassists arent really violent when picking either.
I can understand that it would be hard to play agressively while playing DM, because its so technical you dont really get time to do anything special. But i cant see why you want to be agressive while playing anyway, maybe you should practise growling/playing, that would be a good way to release agression...



either that, or take up boxing.

If you are talking about playing agressively to look 'cool', well i think the easier you make it look, the cooler you are ;)

Overmind 2005-07-29 04:39

haha

Yeah, growling is an idea, although hard to do when playing technical (at least now without extensive practice), but good idea.

Maybe I'm just attracted to the fat low-end more, and the clanky top end you find in early Deicide albums, and that's why I think it's more expressive.

In a few weeks I'll try out bass and if I don't like it, I'll get a sound module for my midi controller instead. Although eventually I will want a bass, as the non-metal music I want to create will involve a bass.

YJM04 2005-07-30 20:32

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Originally Posted by Overmind
3) I don't know if I can say I'm suprised at this comment, but it's usually made by non-metal bassists or noobs. This comment really invalidated your post.

using a pick on a bass should make u feel dirty and make u look un professional. and show u have no dignity for u and ur bass. its a punishable crime of death. :smash: :smash: :smash: :behead: :flame: :o

McCalister999 2005-07-31 00:02

a lot of people play bass with a pick...

Tulvox 2005-07-31 01:44

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Originally Posted by McCalister999
a lot of people play bass with a pick...

Correction, a lot of ex-guitarists play bass with a pick. (Read: Metal bassists) There is a difference.

And to the threadstarter, playing a bass aggressivly will fuck you over just as much as playing guitar aggressivly will. Either way your a dumbfuck for treating instruments badly. If you really want to take out aggression, go headbutt the sidewalk repeatedly.

And at YJM04, as gay as all those smilies were, I agree 100% :)

McCalister999 2005-07-31 12:36

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Originally Posted by Tulvox
Correction, a lot of ex-guitarists play bass with a pick. (Read: Metal bassists) There is a difference.

ex-guitarists aren't people?

YJM04 2005-07-31 15:15

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Originally Posted by McCalister999
a lot of people play bass with a pick...

who's the biggest sucess story that plays a bass with a pick.... slipknot?

Tulvox 2005-07-31 15:34

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Originally Posted by McCalister999
ex-guitarists aren't people?

ex-guitarists dont count as bassists.

YJM04 2005-07-31 15:52

if u wanna play violently at ur guitar. start playing flamecio.
rasgueado, is what i suggest u start practicing to give ur guitar a more violent and non-slapback sound.
so just because u cant get angry with ur guitar doesnt mean u have to quit. just look at differnt genre's and which ever is right for u to play/listen to then play it.
and if ur gonna whine that u only like metal then mix the two genre's together. for a more enjoyable playing experince

McCalister999 2005-07-31 18:12

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Originally Posted by YJM04
who's the biggest sucess story that plays a bass with a pick.... slipknot?

Paul D'Amour/Justin Chancellor. Rex Brown . Jason Newstead. Others I don't really know or care. Playing with a pick or with fingers doesn't make any difference in skill or ability, it's just preference.

YJM04 2005-07-31 18:21

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Originally Posted by McCalister999
Paul D'Amour/Justin Chancellor. Rex Brown . Jason Newstead.

i would've said stu hamn, but ok

Overmind 2005-07-31 18:25

And it just depends on style. Doesn't Glen Benton use a pick too? I thought the people here were more grown up, my apologies.

I'm not an ex-guitarist, if you were thinking that.

Using 'u' and 'ur' makes you look unprofessional and shows that you have no dignity for yourself and the english language.

And I didn't realise that picking a string hard qualified as treating instruments badly. Damn, I hope my guitar doesn't suddenly fall apart. Thanks!

Anyway, this thread has been fucked over with inflamatory, useless posts. Thanks to those who actually made a helpful post.

McCalister999 2005-07-31 22:13

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Originally Posted by YJM04
i would've said stu hamn, but ok

slipped my mind, but yeah he kicks ass.


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