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Prince Charming 2004-06-06 14:03

Marshalls combo, Engl savage, Tube screamer
 
I went into a guitar shop the other day to look for an Engl savage 120 and as i was looking this guy started playing what looked like a PRS custom 24...
I just couldn't believe what i heard, the amp screamed with aggresion and rage, yet it was at practise volume.
At that point i assumed he was playing a tube amp, but when i looked over he appeared to be playing the prs through a marshall combo. :confused:

To the point: I play a jacksons warrior ( EMG 81/85) through a Marshalls AVT 275, and as stated earlier i was going to get an Engl savage (my first tube amp) but now i've heard someone play through a combo and sound good, it's had me wondering if it's my guitar which lacks tone, and not the amp.

Can anyone help me out here?

And also i done some research and the Pod XT came up, and it mentioned an on board effect reffered to as "tube Screamer", i just wondered if this was what the guy was using to get the amp to sound like that, does anyone know what the effect is?

Def 2004-06-06 14:15

the tube screamer on the XT sounds shit IMO, I don't think he was using that, must have been the PRS, a good guitar sounds good though reasonable amps

ofcourse, if you have EMG's you'll only have 'one' standard tone, you either like it or you don't, but thats what I don't really like about EMG's, if you want a barroom brawler, an LP with EMG's is as brutal as you can get though. if you want tone... mm, something else.

ofcourse, a PRS is fucking expensive and they do have the tendency to sound better compared to cheap guitars, so I'm wondering what kinda series Jackson you have!

and d'uh the engl sounds about ten times better then an AVT ;)

Prince Charming 2004-06-06 15:02

My jackson is a WRMG warrior, it cost 700 with shitty stock EMG HZ pickups not what i consider cheap though :o

To be honest though, i can't imagine it being the guitar, it was too big a diffrence in tone and sound, it had to be some kind of effect.
It's what i imagined a tube amp would sound like, being unfortunet not to have already played one before.

Def 2004-06-06 15:07

well, go out and try everything you can get your hands on!

well, not to be harsh, but a WRMG Warrior isn't exactly a superb guitar compared to a Piece of Rotting Shit. (PRS) though it shouldn't sound 'bad' or anything. maybe there's just something you're overlooking. (or maybe the guy had his PRS hooked up to the Engl anyways ;) )

xdislexicx 2004-06-06 15:17

a tube screamer(overdrive pedal) may or may not help your sound, seeing as you are using a valve amp... and from my experience tube screamer pedal + s.s. amp = mud.
if you were using an all tube amp and you wanted more gain out of it then a tube screamer would work great.... it just helps drive the amp harder. but if you got the engl you wouldn't need a tube screamer because they are loaded with gain. it's more for amps like old marhshall jmp's, jtm's, and jcm 800's & 900's. they're commenly used with one channel heads like the sovtek mig series amps to get a wider range of tones.

in your situation i'd say go engl.

Prince Charming 2004-06-06 15:49

Quote:
well, not to be harsh, but a WRMG Warrior isn't exactly a superb guitar compared to a Piece of Rotting Shit.


EEK!
I love my warrior, i've played guitars that cost loads more than my jackson warrior and it's just as good as them if not better, i'm assuming you've only played a warrior with EMG HZ's, it's the only way that comment could be justified...

Anyway, do tube amps have tone like what i described, you must have started of with a combo thus you being able to tell me what sort of difference in sound and tone i'd get by getting the savage 120 over my avt.

Def 2004-06-06 16:01

its a completely different world, we can't tell you, just go and play the Engl and find out for yourself ;)

I've played some warriors, didn't really like their construction and feel, though I did like the american select Dinky/RR's. but on the cheaper Jacksons the hardware isn't really that happening either.
the EMG-hz's suck dick, I didn't even take that into account really, because I played one with an 81 setup, guess warriors don't really appeal to me, whilst Dinky's and RR's do!

Prince Charming 2004-06-06 16:01

Quote:
Originally Posted by xdislexicx
a tube screamer(overdrive pedal) may or may not help your sound, seeing as you are using a valve amp... and from my experience tube screamer pedal + s.s. amp = mud.
if you were using an all tube amp and you wanted more gain out of it then a tube screamer would work great.... it just helps drive the amp harder. but if you got the engl you wouldn't need a tube screamer because they are loaded with gain. it's more for amps like old marhshall jmp's, jtm's, and jcm 800's & 900's. they're commenly used with one channel heads like the sovtek mig series amps to get a wider range of tones.

in your situation i'd say go engl.


Yeah i think i'm going to go with the Engl, it's just getting it that worries me.

Here's a link that shows how the guy in the guitar shop sounded Guitar shop guy (go to sound bytes)

Will the Engl sound that good?

Prince Charming 2004-06-06 16:05

Quote:
Originally Posted by Def
its a completely different world, we can't tell you, just go and play the Engl and find out for yourself ;)

I've played some warriors, didn't really like their construction and feel, though I did like the american select Dinky/RR's. but on the cheaper Jacksons the hardware isn't really that happening either.
the EMG-hz's suck dick, I didn't even take that into account really, because I played one with an 81 setup, guess warriors don't really appeal to me, whilst Dinky's and RR's do!


The thing i like about the warrior is the shape, it's looks great and it's comfortable to play, i love the neck too, it makes it easy to play fast, i guess it's all down to a matter of oppinion though.

Def 2004-06-06 16:47

Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince Charming
Yeah i think i'm going to go with the Engl, it's just getting it that worries me.

Here's a link that shows how the guy in the guitar shop sounded Guitar shop guy (go to sound bytes)

Will the Engl sound that good?

much better then that tubescreamer!!!!

and yea, when it comes down to guitars its all a matter of opinion and what you're used too, a lot of people dont like ultra slim necks, but I love Wizzard I's!

Prince Charming 2004-06-06 17:08

Quote:
Originally Posted by Def
much better then that tubescreamer!!!!

and yea, when it comes down to guitars its all a matter of opinion and what you're used too, a lot of people dont like ultra slim necks, but I love Wizzard I's!


Can't wait to get it if it sounds better than that :D

And yeah, the wizzard I's are amazing necks, i would get an Ibanez just for the wizzard neck alone, i think the neck on my jackson's just about the same though.

Exodus666 2004-06-07 04:52

www.rocksolidamps.com

for tons of ENGL samples (especially deathmetal with the Savage, scroll somewhere in the middle I think)

Mind you, the Powerball is great too.

www.mahlstrom.be, check the song in audio section to hear what it sounds like.

skcoffan 2004-08-07 10:50

are the engl heads under 1k good

Def 2004-08-07 10:55

the powerball and savage are both well over 1000 here, about 13-1400. but you could get a used poweball for 1000 bucks...

Fireballs (60w powerball style) are just around 900-1000 here and are awsome too, just a tad less power compared to the powerball, not that you'de need it but hey.

any Engl sounds great actually, even the 50w tube heads like the Screamer 50, small but oh so loud. and those go for a lot cheaper.

I'de prolly take my 1000 bucks and buy a used savage, but if you want new stuff, the fireball is a great option.

skcoffan 2004-08-07 11:02

do u think they wud be good 4 black metal,super hevy black metal?

Def 2004-08-07 11:06

extremely good :)

maybe try and listen to those links posted by exodus? or find a shop that sells them and find out for yourself, I have an engl preamp too and I really love the distortion.

skcoffan 2004-08-07 11:20

Quote:
Originally Posted by Def
extremely good :)

maybe try and listen to those links posted by exodus? or find a shop that sells them and find out for yourself, I have an engl preamp too and I really love the distortion.

so i should go with the fireball?
and should i get 1 of thier cabs or a different cheaper cabs cuz i really cant spend more than 1500$ but i want a stack

xdislexicx 2004-08-07 15:07

Quote:
Originally Posted by skcoffan
so i should go with the fireball?
and should i get 1 of thier cabs or a different cheaper cabs cuz i really cant spend more than 1500$ but i want a stack

if you can get an engl halfstack for $1500 new or used, i'd say go for it.

skcoffan 2004-08-07 15:11

im gonna get the 2x 12 standard cab with the fireball

Def 2004-08-07 15:15

I wouldn't do that... the 4x12's sound way, way better...

just my opinion though, if you aint got the money for a new cab, buy a used one, theres plenty around and nothing can really break from a cab, I'm using a 10 year old marshall 1960B cab for my rack and it still sounds ace


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