Official Scales and Sweep page

[Darko]

Reading these shouldn't be a problem. To play them use alternate picking (that means your pick follows the movement of "down, up, down, up". As with connecting them, this is how it is done:

Order of modes.

Ionian (major)
Dorian
Phrygian
lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian (minor)
Locrian

Each scale starts on the 2nd note of the previous scale. The order of the scales is always the same. The only thing that changes is the position of them which changes along with the key.


So in this attachment, its in Am so we start with Aeolian on the A on the big E. Locrian is the next scale (see the pictures to connect). If say you where composing a solo for a riff in F major, you would place Ionian on F on the big E string.

[Darko]

Four Harmonic Minor scales. These are very common in metal. Play them to hear why:

http://metaltabs.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=562

Note: These follow the same rules as the modes

[Darko]

here

[Darko]

more!

[CradleOfFilth]

WOW!:eek:
thanx Darko you rules:D

[Ivanhoe]

Nice :beer:

[Blizzard Beast]

Sorry to be a stupid cunt but would you happen to have the harmonic minor scales in tab form? The form in your attachments makes my eyes cross.

[MetalPoldi]

That's cool Darko. Thanks. :D
God job!!! :D

[Vrle]

Darko.....what a strange nam. Where are you from ??? :rolleyes:

[Darko]

california :)

[ramy sidky]

damn darko whats that avatar ?? is that a kid raping a teddy bear what the hell ??!!!!!!!

anyways thanx darko thats good work
goodluck :beer:

[CtHuLhU DaWn]

:love:

[Darko]

hehehe

[+--deifiler--+]

Originally posted by Blizzard Beast
Sorry to be a stupid cunt but would you happen to have the harmonic minor scales in tab form? The form in your attachments makes my eyes cross.

its basically the Aeolian (natural minor) with a major seventh

in tab form, A on a standard tuned axe itd be

D----------------6-7-9
A--------5-7-8
E-5 -7-8


red notes bein the root of A

[+--deifiler--+]

check out this dodgy japanese scale... slayer use bits of it in 'at dawn they sleep'

e-------------------------------------------9-11-15~
B------------------------------------9-10
G--------------------------8-9-10
D-----------------7-8-10
A---------5-6-8
E-3-5-6


:smash:

heres a good common sweep; the dimished bastard! (3 strings)

e-------------9h12p9-------------------12h15p12-------------------15h18p15
B--------11-------------11----------14---------------14----------17---------------17
G----12---------------------12/15-------------------------15/18-----------------------18


etc

move it up/down 3 frets each time, coz its comprised of minor 3rds, all inversions are covered after 3 steps

enjoy!

oh yeah, use your index ring and 'up yours finger' for this

[+--deifiler--+]

heres another 2 vital metal scales im surprised havnt been mentioned yet; the DIMINSHED beasts!

the 2 main types: Whole-Half dim and Half-Whole dim


ill show them in a simple tab scaley thing

HALF-WHOLE in E: E F G G# A# B C# D

e---------------------------------------------------0-1--34
B-------------------------------------------0--2-3
G---------------------------------0-1--3-
D----------------------0--2-3-
A-------------1-2--4-
E-0-1--3-4

notice how each set of notes are in 'clumps' of 2? its one half interval, then a whole


the WHOLE-HALF is similar, but like this

in E: E F# G A A# C C# D#

e-------------------------------------------------0--2-3
B---------------------------------------1-2--3
G-----------------------------0--2-3
D--------------------1-2--3
A---------0-1--3-4
E-0--2-3

to get a feel of these riff styles check out these:

CRYPTOPSY PHOBOPHILE
D-----6"-------5"---9-8-6-4-----------------------
A---6"---6"-7"-----7-6-4-2---0"-4"-7"-0"-6"-7"-6"-4"
E-4"---------------------------------------------

EDIT: i tabbed out phobophile wrong, has been corrected

INIQUITY : desidegrated profligancy

D------------------------8"------------*
A--------------------5"-----6"--------3
E-0"-34--0"-34-----------------0-1-

DYING FETUS : REDUCED TO SLAVERY

A----------------4--7"8-7"-------8"-7"-------------7"-8-7"-------------------------4
E-3-2-0-3-2-0-2-----------10"----------8"-7"----------------10"--3-2-0-3-2-0-2

CANNIBAL CORPSE : HAMMER SMASHED FACE

D---------------------------------------7-------------------------------------------3--------2
A---------7h10p7--6h10p7---9-9--5---9----7----3h6p3--2h5p2----5-5--1---5-4-2
E-0-2-1--------------------------7-7------7--6-5--------------------------3-3------3-2-0

SCALE FILL THING from a dream theater song (fatal tradgedy)

D---------2-6
A---1--4------5
E-0---------------3~


if you want more post a reply and ill get some, also see the diminshed sweepage that i mentioned earlier in this thread :)

[EmperorMalignus]

from how much time do you play guitar +--deifiler--+ ??
You rock dude:D

[+--deifiler--+]

Originally posted by EmperorMalignus
from how much time do you play guitar +--deifiler--+ ??
You rock dude:D

haha cheers! :) *blushes*:beer:

from how much? as in how much a day etc? a fair bit... i practically live it and my computer:P

gotta put time into my band so i havnt practiced a lot lately, mainly work on makin songs!

[EmperorMalignus]

no, how much years dude:)

[MeTalManiac555]

Ok, I'll try those out later on.

[vileangelofdeth]

check out this dodgy japanese scale... slayer use bits of it in 'at dawn they sleep'


Thats a fucking awesome slayer song, in fact the whole Hell Awaits album has some sick chromatic riffs on it.


and....


heres a basic sweep pattern to practice

e--------------14-17p14-------------------------14---------------------16-20p16----------
B-----------14------------14------------------14----14--------------16-------------16-------
G-------14-------------------14-----------15-----------15-------17--------------------17----
D----15-------------------------15-----16-----------------16/18--------------------------18~
A-16--------------------------------16-----------------------------------------------------------
E--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


:vampire:

[ThroneofbahoS]

Can someone tell me about those sweeps like, if they have two notes played on the same string after each other like:

---16--17---

if you get my point... Is there a hammer-on like should I pick only the first one or should I pick them both?

[corroded]

Originally posted by ThroneofbahoS
Can someone tell me about those sweeps like, if they have two notes played on the same string after each other like:

---16--17---

if you get my point... Is there a hammer-on like should I pick only the first one or should I pick them both?

better you pick both the notes...cuz it will help in adding momentum to your sweep when you are returning with an upstroke

[Darko]

If it has 2 notes on the same string (during one stroke) then its not a sweep. And oyu can really make your own sweep easyly. Sweeps are arpreggos, meaning 3 root notes in a chord. So take your favorite chord and make a sweep out of it using the arpreggo.

[ThroneofbahoS]

Ok... Thanks dudes, that cleared it a lot!
:beer:

[mrweijia]

dont diss him, he started this thread

[nightrider06]

i just read over alll that stuff theres fuken alot to learn there good shit boys

[Kjeldgor]

Yup.. Favorite chord.. meaning any chord you can think of..

lets use.. an.. Am7add9

notes are: A C E G B

------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------
---------5h9p5----------------------------
------7----------7--------------------------
-5h8--------------8h5----------------------

or.. another variation:

---------------------8h12(h15p12)p8-------------------------------
-----------------10-------------------10---------------------------
----------9h12---------------------------12p9---------------------
------10----------------------------------------10------------------
--12-----------------------------------------------12-------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Heh.. good luck with the second one.. i added a tap just to fuck with you all..

Hopefully you people got the point..

if not, chew on this one:

---------------9 h10 h11 t16 s17 t21 p17 s16 p11 p10 p9-------------------
------------9------------------------------------------------------9----------------
---------8-------------------------------------------------------------8------------
-----11-------------------------------------------------------------------11--------
-12---------------------------------------------------------------------------12----
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

btw.. Amaj7b5add11 (notes are: A C# Eb G# D)


MWAHAHAHAH... use of double tap, tap slides

sounds pretty jazzy, but if you can shred to that, it's pretty fuckin cool

[Kjeldgor]

Hell, if you are good with double taps, you can even add a tap on the 17th fret for the variation of the Am7add9 arpeggio:D

[Darko]

Thats an awesome sweep Kjeldgor, very impressed. Im going to use it as an example when i re-edit the thread so that all the downloads/faqs are in the very first post.

[Kjeldgor]

Try this:

----------------------8h12(t15p12)p8----------------------
-----------------10-------------------10----------------------
------------5s9--------------------------9s5-----------------
---------7------------------------------------7----------------
------7-----------------------------------------7--------------
-5-8----------------------------------------------8-5---------

It's an A minor apreggio (A C E)

or..

--------------------9h12p9-------------------------------
----------------10---------10---------------------------
-----------6s9----------------9s6----------------------
--------7---------------------------7-------------------
------7-------------------------------7-----------------
-5-9------------------------------------9-5---------------

That's an A major arpeggio (A C# E)

[RAMBO]

HERE'S A SCALE,ITS WEIRD,BUT COOL SOUNDING.

INTERVALS:1,b2,3,4,5,b6,b7

NOTES(IT'S IN E):E,F,G#,A,B,C,D


---------------------------------------------------------12-13-16
----------------------------------------------12-13-15
---------------------------------------13-14
----------------------------12-14-15
-----------------12-14-15
-----12-13-16

YOU COULD ALSO USE IT IN A,AS HARMONIC MINOR

[TheKtuluCall]

is a scale made by those doe rey mi fa so la ti doe thingies?

[metalheadmark]

^
Put simply, yes.

Most solos are based around scales. Metal scalled based solos are usually based around the pentatonic scales and sometimes blues scales but other players like to experiment with other rarley used scales.


:sickface: :D

[Darko]

Originally posted by metalheadmark

Most solos are based around scales.


ALL solos are in scales. They sound good because they are in scale (wich should be in key).

[TheKtuluCall]

i knew that. thats not what i asked

[tomb]

Darko I looked on your major scale. It's played in C right? When I play it in A it goes like this

--5-7-
-4-5-7-
-4-7-8-
-4-7-8-
-5-8-
-4-5-

And, when I put it in, for example, C, I just go up on the 8th fret of the 6th string and play it exactly the same. Is that wrong?

I got the scales on cyberfret.com...

[Darko]

I don't fully understand your question but I think this is the anwser your looking for. If you move the scale anywhere you always play it the same. No scale has an actual "home key" where its originated for. Lets say you see a scale in C and you want to play it in E, you play it exactly the same as you would in C.

[tomb]

What I meant was, your Ionian (Major scale) looks NOTHING like the way I play it. Look at the tab 2 posts up...

edit: http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/basic/page2.php

That's where I got the scales..

[Darko]

In no where on there does it say "Iolian Scale". They post a major scale, but not Iolian. Those are more for traning than usage besides the blues.

[tomb]

But Ionian and Major is the same thing? And Minor and Aeolian is the same thing?

And, Iolian? What is that?

[Darko]

Major and Iolian is not the same thing. Those are major and minor Pentitonic scales, very differnt.

[Dissection]

Note to self: Get Better.

[metalheadmark]

Hmm...Im a little confused about sweep picking.

Would this be an example of sweep picking?


-----------------3--------
---------------1----------
------------5-------------
-5-------6----------------
-------2-----------------
-----3--------------------


?

[mrweijia]

yes, yes it is

[metalheadmark]

Ok, cool

[FearFrost]

Do you guys want me to post the tones, and semi tones for each type of scale, so you can build the scales?

Example:

Major scale:
1 - 1 - 1/2 - 1 - 1 - 1- 1/2
(1= tone, and 1/2= semi tone)

[Bones98]

Does anyone know th correct tab to do the Appregio part of
Dying Fetus' "Kill Your Mother Rape Your Dog"

[Darko]

Some dude posted it hear and when I played it, it sounded correct (to my memory). Make sure your in the right tunning too.

[RAMBO]

Originally posted by Darko
Major and Iolian is not the same thing. Those are major and minor Pentitonic scales, very differnt.

What is an Iolian scale and how is it?

[Exodus666]

on sweeps:

I've seen some exercices on the net, i'm learning them (but i'm not very good and I hardly play for 2 years, not even)

I understand sweeping and stuff...
But does anyone has a video of the left/right hand while sweeping slow and fast?

this would really help alot...

[Freezer666]

Originally posted by Exodus666
on sweeps:

I've seen some exercices on the net, i'm learning them (but i'm not very good and I hardly play for 2 years, not even)

I understand sweeping and stuff...
But does anyone has a video of the left/right hand while sweeping slow and fast?

this would really help alot...

ultimateguitarpage.com

[powersofterror]

I saw this on a t.v. lesson show once...
lefthand 1stfinger on 5, 3rd on 7, and righthand index on 10, righthand 2nd on 9
(use same fingering all the way through)

|-----------------------------------------10h12h14--|
|-------------------------------10h12h15------------|
|------------------------7h9h11---------------------|
|----------------7h9h12-----------------------------|
|---------5h7h9-------------------------------------|
|-5h7h10--------------------------------------------|


|-p12p10-----------------------------------------------------------|
|--------h12h15p12p10----------------------------------------------|
|-----------------------h9h11p9p7----------------------------------|
|----------------------------------h9h12p9p7-----------------------|
|----------------------------------------------h7h9p7p5------------|
|--------------------------------------------------------h7h10p7p5-|

this is good for all scales.

[Exodus666]

Ok... I've been through some exercices but I see different possibilities...
Which one is the best?
For example:

---------12h15-12--------------12h15-12-------------------
-----13--------------13-----13--------------13--------------
-12----------------------12-----------------------12---------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(hammer on the 15 and upstroke the 12 - 13)


OR:

---------12-15p12--------------12-15p12-------------------
-----13--------------13-----13--------------13--------------
-12----------------------12-----------------------12---------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------
(upstroke the 15, pull off to 12 and upstroke 13)

It looks like the first option is a bit faster but a bit harder too (timing and so)
But hey I'm just a sweep beginner :rolleyes:

thanks

[Slaughthammer]

here, i got one wich is good for practicing.... but the basics of sweeping should already be learned...

|-------3h7/10p7--------|----------8h12/15p12-------------|
|------3--------8-------|---------8----------13-----------|
|-----4----------7------|--------9-------------12---------|
|----5------------9-----|------10----------------14-------|
|---5--------------10p5-|----10--------------------15p10--|
|3h7-------------------7|8h12---------------------------12|



|-------------10h14/17p14--------------|-------------15h19/22p19----------------|
|-----------10-----------15------------|-----------15-----------20--------------|
|---------11----------------14---------|---------16---------------19------------|
|-------12--------------------16-------|-------17-------------------21----------|
|-----12------------------------17p12--|-----17-----------------------22p17-----|
|10h14-------------------------------14|15h19------------------------------19\p3|

[Darko]

Originally posted by Exodus666
but hey im just a beginner


Most beginners should start off wit ha full 5 or 6 string sweep to learn because alot of them have those patterns in them that you posted.

[Exodus666]

Lol Darko, are you serious?:D

But still, the highest 3 strings are the same in 6 string sweeps, so that still doesn't solve my problem...

Which way of picking the highest string is the best?

Thanks...

[Slaughthammer]

|----12h15p12------12h15p12
|--13--------13--13--------
|12------------12----------

i think this is the best way to pick a sweep

[Darko]

That didnt explain anything Sluaghthammer.

[metal=life]

Originally posted by Darko
Sweeps are arpreggos, meaning 3 root notes in a chord. So take your favorite chord and make a sweep out of it using the arpreggo.

I heard sweeps and arpeggios were different because you can sweep anything, even an arpeggio, but an arpeggio was a chord.

[powersofterror]

This is a sweep:


|-------------------------------|
|-------------------------------|
|------------9h12p9------------|
|-------8h11--------11p8-------|
|-7h10-------------------10p7--|
|-------------------------------|

[Slaughthammer]

a sweep is nearly always an arpeggio, but an arpeggio is'nt allways a sweep, e.g.
|-0h4h7t12-| would bre an arpeggio, because that are the tones of E Major, but i think you agree the this is not a sweep. a sweep is anything played at one note per string eventually a hammer on/pull off on the first/last tone and while playing it you just move your pick as if you play a normal chord, but play each note single

[OpethRules]

I reccomend that all beginners in sweep picking check out John Petrucci's Rock Discipline video/dvd. He covers the basics and gives you some easy sweeps to get started with. If your more advanced it's great as well, because he throws in several hard sweeps.

[rickshaw]

a quick question - is it good practice to also 'reverse sweep'? Ie down stroke the top note of the scale then sweep back down?

[atifman]

yeah steve vai does it all the time, petrucci has done it more than a few times too.

[Darko]

Originally posted by rickshaw
a quick question - is it good practice to also 'reverse sweep'? Ie down stroke the top note of the scale then sweep back down?

All exercises should be practiced forewards and backwords.

[mctriple]

bear with me guys, i'm not quite sure about the concept of sweeping yet, although it seems like it ought to be fairly simple to understand.

can i sweep, say, the ionian scale? somebody said one note per string, but can i practice picking once and hammering twice per string? i mean, yeah, i can practice that :P and have been, but is that considered a sweep?

it seems to be helping me either way, but i just wanted to make sure i know what an actual sweep is. thanks:uzi:

[metal=life]

Swep whatever you want. When you have more than 1 note per string I always use hammer-ons and pull-offs. Except the highest and lowest string in the arpeggio cause that keeps my timing right.

[mctriple]

i can sweep up scales pretty well even when each string has 2 hammer ons, but i find it nearly impossible to pick down the same sweeps with any sort of speed.

are there any tips that i'm missing with pickoff speed? when i started, i'd put all my fingers down, but now i barely put the next finger right behind my pickoff finger before i pick it off, and it still seems impossible to do quickly

or, do people just not do it that quickly down scales?

i'm getting pretty frustrated.. advice/sympathy would be good :) thx

[powersofterror]

On a sweep, you shouldn't let the other notes sound the same time(like a chord), it will sound messy, so yeah, lift your fingers of the note after you play it.

[Darko]

Oh man, here is something I should have added at the very beginning of this thread. Its the order of modes.

Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian
Locrian

Each scale starts on the 2nd note of the previous scale. In any key, the pattern is always the same and this is important to know, it opens up alot of notes.

[wreath]

Bombass thread darko :drunk: . I'm already starting to get this down and I've been playing for 6 months. You are the new Jesus. :homer:

[mctriple]

ahh darko, yah, the order of the modes is quite helpful :) i had just learned them last week and was finally figuring out how to put all that stuff in your first post together, and now it all makes sense anyway heheh. really good stuff you put up.. i know it's helping a lot of us. :beer:

[Pablo]

ok, here are some sweeps...
these are very hard 'cause they combine sweep picking with alternate picking.

I've said very hard!!

Use the right picking, and remeber.... practise it slowly first!!!!!!

picking: V= upstroke; M= downstroke

D minor


e|-------------------10-13-13-10--------------------
B|----------------10-------------10-----------------
G|-----------7-10-------------------10-7------------
D|---------7-----------------------------7----------
A|-------8---------------------------------8--------
E|--5-10-------------------------------------10-5---
V M M M M V M M V M V V V M V V V M


B diminished


|--------------------10-13-13-10---------------------
|-----------------12-------------12------------------
|--------------10-------------------10---------------
|---------9-12-------------------------12-9----------
|-------8-----------------------------------8--------
|--7-10---------------------------------------10-7---
V M M M V M M M V M V V V V M V V M


C augmented


|---------------8-12-12-8----------------
|-------------9-----------9--------------
|-----------9---------------9------------
|------6-10-------------------10-6-------
|----7-----------------------------7-----
|--8---------------------------------8---
M M M V M M M V M V V V M V V V


E


|--------------------12-16-16-12---------------------
|-----------------12-------------12------------------
|------------7-13-------------------13-7-------------
|----------7-----------------------------7-----------
|-------11---------------------------------11--------
|--7-12---------------------------------------12-7---
V M M M M V M M V M V V M V V V V M

[mctriple]

What I meant was, your Ionian (Major scale) looks NOTHING like the way I play it. Look at the tab 2 posts up...

edit: http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/basic/page2.php

That's where I got the scales..

just goin through this thread again, and there seems to be a misunderstanding.

yes, ionian = major, and that scale is in fact the same thing (almost anyway) as darko's major scale. it looks different, because, as you know, you can play a note on one string, and play it on a low fret on the next higher string. that's what they've done there.. they've also left out a few notes, and darko's covers every note in the scale.

[Darko]

Thanks for those killer sweep practices Pablo.

Yeah, the scales that I posted seem to be the best. Most people leave out notes, mix it up, ect.

Im planning some time soon to take all the sweeps and extra scales that people posted (and some of my own) and just make them all into one big post on the first page so people don't have to go through and find them.

[mctriple]

that'd be pretty helpful. it's always nice to cure boredom with a new scale.

i have a question about sweeps, which i've just started to practice in the past few days. when i start out, really slowly, i basically just pick each string and it's not much of a "strum". i just can't do it that fast yet, and my roommate said he thinks that i'm doing it wrong by not trying to move my pick hand completely evenly like you do with a chord. i kind of jump my pick hand to the next string. will i just be able to strum down the strings in time if i keep practicing it this way? do i just not have the speed yet? or do i have to practice in a very even "strum"?

[powersofterror]

Eh, you strum like you would a "rolled" chord, but after you play the note you're supposed to lift your fingers. Ya, know, so only one note is heard at a time.

I just found out something really cool. For us beginners, Flesh and the Power it Holds by Death is a good song to practice sweeping.:)

[mctriple]

right, i got that it should sound like individual notes bein played. im just not sure whether my right hand is doing what it should be. that song is downloading now, though, thanks for the tip :beer:

[johnmansley]

The other day I was dicking around with some tapping stuff I had in my head when I decided to tap out an arpeggio real fast. I played something like this:


B |---------------------------t-----19p12h15p12--|
F#|--------------------t-----18p13--t-------------|
D |-------------t-----18p14-----------------------|
A |------t-----18p14------------------------------|
E |-h12-19p15------------------------------------|
A |-----------------------------------------------|

Then go back up to the E-string using the same pattern. It's played at the same speed as if you were sweeping it (the notes must also be distinct like a sweep) with the taps effectivly taking the place of the pick striking the strings.

Anyway, I was wondering if anybody could give me an example of any guitarists who've used this technique or any more examples of it.

[mctriple]

john petrucci's video has some pretty good sweep exersizes for those of us just starting out:

e--------13-10---------------11-14---------------15-12---------
b------12------11----------12------13----------14------13------
g----11----------12------13----------12------13----------14----
d--10--------------13--14--------------11--12--------------15--
a----------------------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------------------

you can keep moving up a fret each time you get back to the bottom, and then move back down a fret each time you hit the bottom.

[G3_Arpeggio]

lookin to try some new ones...

[suffo02]

This is not a sweeppicking arpeggio but its a string skipping one that mimics an arpeggio.

__________12_15_18_21_18_15_12_________________
____________________t___________________________
_12_15_18______________________18_15_12________
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________
_______________________________________________

Now You can choose to do hammer-ons or pulloffs or pick all the notes execpt for the note on the 21 fret.Thats usually a tap.

[Darko]

I'm merging this into the Scales and Sweep thread, next time post something like this in their. Check out wholenote.com and get the tabs for jason becker's "Seranna" which is all great sweeps.

[freek666]

i recently got the nack of sweeping, but it seems that i can pull off an upstroke sweep almost flawlessly, yet, it hard as hell to do the same arpeggio pattern with a down stroke. any suggestions?


e----------12----------------------
B--------13--13--------------------
G-----12-------12------------------
D---14-----------14----------------
A-15---------------15--------------
E----------------------------------

this is the apreggio, it's a c major (correct me if i'm wrong)

[freek666]

actually, here are the three arpeggios that i'm turning into a lick.

e----------12--------------
B--------13--13------------
G-----12-------12----------
D---14-----------14--------
A-15---------------15------
E--------------------------

e----------------12-16-12-----------
B--------------12--------12---------
G-----------13-------------13-------
D---------14-----------------14-----
A-------14---------------------14---
E-12-15--------------------------15-

e--------------12-17-12------------
B------------13--------13----------
G---------14-------------14--------
D-------14-----------------14------
A-12-15----------------------15-12-
E-----------------------------------

[metal=life]

Ha! I came up with an arpeggio. I don't know what the fuck its called or anything because I know absolutly nothing about theory. I was just messing around.


|---------------8h12t17/19/17p12p8-----------------
|-------------10-------------------10-------------------
|------5/9h12-----------------------12p9/5------------
|-----7------------------------------------7---------
|----7--------------------------------------7------------
|-5h8----------------------------------------8p5-----


does that make sense? I don't know if I broke any "rules" in theory or anything so please tell me if I did.

[johnmansley]

I follow one rule... play what sounds good and if it sounds good, keep playing it.

I came up with something similar (although a little simpler) about a year ago only with -3/5h8- on the low E and -9h12p9- on the high E. Yours sounds way cooler though because of the tap slides.

[Darko]

I am starting a basic theory thread soon, stay tuned.

[DEAD]

I have a question about fingering.

When you have a basic sweep like this:

|-17p12-------------|-------------10-13-|
|-------14----------|----------10-------|
|----------14-------|-------10----------|
|-------------14----|----12-------------|
|----------------16-|-12----------------|
|-------------------|-------------------|

What is teh best way to finger thoes 14s and 10s? With one finger (making it a bit harder to mute the notes after you play them) or with sepereate finger (making it harder to actualy finger the notes)?

[brainsforbreakfast]

i have a question too

when i see (advanced) players solo, they move all over the fretboard instead of playing a single scale. How do they acomplish this? Do they play the scales of the chord progresion or are they playing different scales from the same key all over the fretboard?

[johnmansley]

I have a question about fingering.

When you have a basic sweep like this:

|-17p12-------------|-------------10-13-|
|-------14----------|----------10-------|
|----------14-------|-------10----------|
|-------------14----|----12-------------|
|----------------16-|-12----------------|
|-------------------|-------------------|

What is teh best way to finger thoes 14s and 10s? With one finger (making it a bit harder to mute the notes after you play them) or with sepereate finger (making it harder to actualy finger the notes)?

I barre them with one finger and employ a sort of rolling motion that allows you to fret the notes easily while still muting the notes once they've been played. As always, it takes a lot of practise to get this down perfectly but in my opinion it's the best method once you've mastered it.

SpikyHairz: They'll just be playing the same scale but in a different position up or down the fret board. You should learn a scale for the whole fretboard and not just in one position. It will take time to know it off by heart but it will allow you to play a lot more fluidly.

[DEAD]

yes, I know just what you mean. thats what I use now, but it is not perfect.

And you can use something called a secondary dominat to move to a different scale.

[Darko]

i have a question too

when i see (advanced) players solo, they move all over the fretboard instead of playing a single scale. How do they acomplish this? Do they play the scales of the chord progresion or are they playing different scales from the same key all over the fretboard?

Depends on their style. I show in the first page of the thread universal order of scales and if you memorize them and are able to play them in any key then you should be able to horizontaly rape the neck.

[Darko]

I have a question about fingering.

When you have a basic sweep like this:

|-17p12-------------|-------------10-13-|
|-------14----------|----------10-------|
|----------14-------|-------10----------|
|-------------14----|----12-------------|
|----------------16-|-12----------------|
|-------------------|-------------------|

What is teh best way to finger thoes 14s and 10s? With one finger (making it a bit harder to mute the notes after you play them) or with sepereate finger (making it harder to actualy finger the notes)?

The "Correct" way is to bar the 3 notes in a row. For me, if there are 2 or more notes in a row like that I bar it. But whatever makes it most easy for you.

[OphthalamianSky]

Great...thanx..!!! I will practice it!!!

[ShredIsNotDead]

In my opinion Jason Becker is kind of arpeggios. U should all have heard serrana by now (not the acoustic one but the video) which is called serrana_part_1. The whole song is arpeggios and its one of the most beautiful things ever written. I dont really wanna tab it out its really long u can just download it at mysongbook.com or .ca i forget.

Here is a lick from "no boundaries" by Michael angelo, play it fast
------13-17---------------13-17------------13-17-----------13-17----
---15-------15---------15-------15-------15-----15-------15------15---
-14-----------14-----14-----------14---14---------14---14----------14-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------------

-----13-18---------13-18---------10-15---------10-15-------------
---15-----15-----15-----15-----12-----12-----12-----12--------
-15---------15-15---------15-12---------12-12---------12------
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------

U might wanna listen to the song before trying it

[Darko]

Yeah, Serrana is an awesome song.

[ShredIsNotDead]

Go to this website for ever scale, chord, and mode

http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_rb.html

[atifman]

check this site out:
http://home.swipnet.se/freakguitar/scales.html

[666DareDevil666]

I have made one sweep and it goes like this:

l----------------12------------------------------------------------------l
l-------------12---12----------------------------------------------------l
l----------9h12----12p9-------------------------------------------------l
l--------9------------9--------------------------------------------------l
l-----10---------------10------------------------------------------------l
l--12--------------------12----------------------------------------------l


Pretty simple but pretty good :D

[666DareDevil666]

Any comment's?? :bawling:

[schaefer king]

Ya, for these sweeps, I'm unclear as to how the picking goes. Can someone clear that up for me?

[ShredIsNotDead]

There is no particular way that you have to pick. Its a personal preference. Its sweep picking of course so its like playing a chord but slower so that you can hear every not and after every note you sort of mute it so that it doesnt ring like a chord. Some people hammer on the notes, and some people pick, its all a matter of what works best for you. I personally hammer on so that you just have to pick one note per string. If you have further questions on how it goes just ask.

[PunkSh*t666]

I have made one sweep and it goes like this:

l----------------12------------------------------------------------------l
l-------------12---12----------------------------------------------------l
l----------9h12----12p9-------------------------------------------------l
l--------9------------9--------------------------------------------------l
l-----10---------------10------------------------------------------------l
l--12--------------------12----------------------------------------------l


Pretty simple but pretty good :D

Yeah it's simple but good :D

[ShreddingSkin04]

the pattern I ALWAYS use and havent gotten bored of yet is something like:


E:12-13--14-15-16
B:12-13--14-15-16
G:12-13--14-15-16 ETC;
D:
A:
E:

Thats not the only position I use, I move it all around the neck. I just use combos of those notes on those fret positionings, and everyone thinks the licks sound awesome.

[AnubisXy]

I had posted this elsewhere before, but since there have been so many questions regarding scales I figured I'd toss em in here too. There are a few fairly exotic scales broken down in here, have fun with them.

I've begun thinking of scales as "chordscales" recently. Triads, the simplest chords can be broken from any chordscale. Every scale has a set of chords unique to that scale. We find those chords by using every other interval, in groups of 3. So the C major scale will have an interval structure of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7(c d e f g a b). So if we break it down into triads it goes something like this.

1-3-5 = C E G = Cmajor
2-4-6 = D F A = Dminor
3-5-7 = E G B = Eminor
4-6-1 = F A C = Fmajor
5-7-2 = G B D = Gmajor
6-1-3 = A C E = Aminor
7-2-4 = B D F = Bm-5

This can be done with any scale, below let's look at the C harmonic minor 1-2-b3-4-5-b6-7 (C D Eb F G Ab B)

1-b3-5 = C Eb G = Cminor
2-4-b6 = D F Ab = Dm-5
b3-5-7 = Eb G B = D# aug
4-b6-1 = F Ab C = Fminor
5-7-2 = G B D = Gmajor
b6-1-b3 = Ab C Eb = G#major
7-2-4 = B D F = Bm-5

It is more important to concentrate on playing over chords, rather than "in key" when soloing over any progression. Just use the chord being played and arpeggiate it, you can't go wrong if you do this. Alot of the time you will wind up just playing different modes of a particular chordscale anyway, especially if your progression is something common like Cmajor Eminor Gmajor, you'd arpeggiate them all in the key of C major, Ionian, Phrygian, Mixolydian. Another reason to follow chord progressions rather than modes all in one key is that every scale has a set of chords unique to that scale. However the chords individually may fit into many chordscales.


The chordscales below can be shifted to any key. Keep the interval structures and shift positions accordingly.
C Major modes

intervals: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
half-steps: 2-2-1-2-2-2-1
notes: C,D,E,F,G,A,B

Order of Modes
Ionian
Dorian
Phrygian
Lydian
Mixolydian
Aeolian (natural minor)
Locrian
(In Dark Places Leave Many Apricot Lolipops. - don't laugh it works)

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D Harmonic Minor and it's 7 modes (minor keys always start with Aeolian)

Intervals 1, 2, b3, 4, 5, b6, 7
half steps 2-1-2-2-1-3-1
notes D E F G A Bb C#


D Harmonic minor
E Locrian Nat. 6
F Ionian aug
G Dorian #4
A Phrygian major
Bb Lydian #9
C# Alt dom (Mixolydian) bb7


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2 b3 4 5 b6 7 R 2

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7 R 2 b3 4 5 b6

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4 5 b6 7 R 2 b3 4

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R 2 b3 4 5 b6 7 R

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5 b6 7 R 2 b3 4

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Hungarian Gypsy scale, key of A

Intervals: 1 2 b3 #4 5 b6 7
Half-Steps: 2-1-3-1-1-3-1
Notes: A B C D# E F G#



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E Pentatonic Minor
intervals: 1,b3,4,5,b7
half-steps: 3-2-2-3-2
notes: E,G,A,B,D


O 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17

e-|---E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|
e-|---R-|---|---|-b3|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|-b7|---|-R-|---|---|-b3|---|-4-|


B-|---B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|
B-|---5-|---|---|-b7|---|-R-|---|---|-b3|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|-b7|---|-E-|


G-|---G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|
G-|---b3|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|-b7|---|-R-|---|---|-b3|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|


D-|---D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|---|-A-|---|-B-|---|---|-D-|---|-E-|---|---|-G-|
D-|---b7|---|-R-|---|---|-b3|---|-4-|---|-5-|---|---|-b7|---|-R-|---|---|-b3|


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[Guitarist v6.66]

sweet man this is becoming an intelligent place to visit.... who hade some trouble with that g minor 2nd inversion sweep?? that weird fingering threw me off a bit i finally got it fast. does a guitar theory thread exist yet?

[brainsforbreakfast]

Yes. How is theory sticky coming along Darko?

[Darko]

Goof stuff Anusb.

Honestly...I haven't even gotten it started yet. I've got the basic plan maped out in my head by I never had time to do it. And now that its summer, well....

[metal=life]

...well get started bitch. I wanna learn theory! NOW!!!

[ShredIsNotDead]

ya i need some theory desperately, I can barely understand what anubis was saying there

[Slabbefusk]

Theory to the people!

[brainsforbreakfast]

Darko, P.m. me if you need any help, though I don't know how I could be of assistance.

[dawn_to_dusk]

any one give me the add of any website where i can find all the basic scale... am just a beginner... plz help !

[AnubisXy]

Just a few posts up, the C major and it's 7 modes. Also posted on the first page of this post, there's also a link on this page that goes to a place that has just about any scale you can think of mapped out, posted by shredisnotdead. Open your eyes...... :smash:

[ShredIsNotDead]

www.wholenote.com is so very very useful. It has chord charts, scale charts, and even arpeggio charts, plus thousands of lessons

[AnubisXy]

wholenote.com is awesome. Check this link out, it talks about the CAGED system. It will teach you to visualize every scale and chord in any key in any position of the fretboard. A guitarist should never have to change positions for anything, unless he/she needs to get to a higher/lower note or for dramatic effect. Cool lesson.

http://www.wholenote.com/default.asp?iTarget=http%3A//www.wholenote.com/cgi-bin/page_view.pl%3Fl%3D912%26p%3D1

[FearFrost]

I would love to get a good finger tapping exercise, if anyone has one...

Also for the theory thread one thing I always wanted to know was what scales go well with other scales?

[AnubisXy]

Also for the theory thread one thing I always wanted to know was what scales go well with other scales?
Well, each scale is unique. The question would be better asked: What scales go well with which chords? Chords themselves are built from scales, using formulatic intervals. Every scale has a set of chords unique to that scale. The chords themselves may be constructed using many different scales, so in turn when played you have a wide variety to choose from when you solo over them depending on the emotion you're trying to convey. This is why it's important to learn as many different scales as possible, don't limit yourself to pentatonics.

Buy this book

http://www.guitargrimoire.com/gt02.htm

and this book

http://www.guitargrimoire.com/gt01.htm

They are incredibly powerfull tools.

[Darko]

I would love to get a good finger tapping exercise, if anyone has one...

Also for the theory thread one thing I always wanted to know was what scales go well with other scales?

I'll post some great fingertapping videos/tabs tomorow for you. As for the theory as to what scales go with what, if you read on the first page on how you link up the scales, it should answer your question. PM me if you need assisstance.

[FearFrost]

THANK YOU!
:beer:

[DeadnightWarrior]

E--12--8---------12-10-------10-8-5-----5-4-----4-7-5-4-5----------
B--------10---10-------9---9--------6--6----5--5----------------------
G-----------9-------------9-----------7-------4--------------------------------

Sweep every decending and acsending part. pick the 12-8 and 12-10 and 10-8-5 and 5-4 and 4-7-5-4-5 parts
THis sweep takes quite a while to perfect, i can barely do it perfectly.
Please dont steal this sweep, its part of my bands songs. WHICH are copy righted, lol, sorry for being so un-trusting.

This sweep sounds sorta vivaldi-ish to me

[Darko]

Sorry to anger you, but patterns like that are used alot.

[Darko]

I'll post some great fingertapping videos/tabs tomorow for you. As for the theory as to what scales go with what, if you read on the first page on how you link up the scales, it should answer your question. PM me if you need assisstance.

Damn do I procrastinate!

[ShredIsNotDead]

E-22-18------18--20-17-----17--15-10------10--17-14------14--
B------18--18---------18--18---------11--11---------15--15----
G--------19-------------17-------------12--------------14------
D---------------------------------------------------------------
A---------------------------------------------------------------
E---------------------------------------------------------------

E-15-10------10--17-14-----14--13-10---------------10-13------
B------11--11---------15--15---------11-----------11-----------
G--------12-------------14-------------10--------10------------
D----------------------------------------12-----12--------------
A------------------------------------------13-13----------------
E---------------------------------------------------------------

A nice piece of Concerto by Cacophony, just before Marty Friedman's solo. Not that hard of a piece. Very nice sounding.

[ShredIsNotDead]

E------------------------------8-9-----------------------------------
B-----------------------6-8-9-----------------------------------------
G------------------5-6-----------------------------------------------
D-----------3-5-6---------------------------------------------------
A-------3-4--------------------------------------------------------
E-1-3-4-------------------------------------------------------------

The Hirajoshi scale in F.

A lot of Jason Becker's runs were based on this scale.

[BLS]

Damn do I procrastinate!

Yeh, POST THAT DAMN THEORY THINGY

Theory is pissing me off... more than you can imagie.

[Becker rules]

Heh Im back, havent being to this site for a long long time. Anyway heres some cool super challenging tapped sweep arpeggios with legato for you all. Shred heads will love them.
Enjoy. 16ths at in our around 170 bpm. Not for the meek.

e----------------7h12T15/19\15p12p7--------------------------------
b-------------8------------------------8-----------------------------
g----------9------------------------------9--------------------------
d-------9------------------------------------9-----------------------
a-7h10-----------------------------------------10--------------------
e---------------------------------------------------------------------

e--------------------------------------------7h12---------
b-----------------------------------------8---------------
g--------------------------------------9------------------
d-----------------------------------9---------------------
a-p7-----------------T14p10p7h10------------------------
e-----7p3p0h3h7T12---------------------------------------

e-/15p12----------19p15---------15-----------------------------------
b---------12-------------17----------17-----------------------17------
g-------------12-------------16----------16---------------16----------
d---------------------------------------------17------17--------------
a-------------------------------------------------19-------------------
e-----------------------------------------------------------------------

e-15p0h12p0h7p0h3p0T15/19\15p0T19/24\19p0-
b----------------------------------------------
g----------------------------------------------
d----------------------------------------------
a----------------------------------------------
e----------------------------------------------

[johnmansley]

Very nice, indeed.

[DeathCS]

'Tis cool but thats what I usualy do when I sweep.

[Dyingcannibal]

How would you use the DIMINSHED scale in writing songs

[Becker rules]

you wont use the diminished scale for a full song no matter how extreme you are, it should be used in small doses and only to add tension, you should always have it over a dim chord (vii of your major scale) and then return to the relative minor or major of the respective scale. For example in E minor you progression might be

Em, Bm, D, F#Dim 1 bar each

You would use E nat minor scale over first 3 bars than use F#dim scale over bar 4 but would run back into E nat minor for bar 5. The dim scale works better in small doses than overdoing it.

[ShredIsNotDead]

stupid little question but what is a diminished chord and an augumented chord?

[Becker rules]

stupid little question but what is a diminished chord and an augumented chord?

Diminished means you flatten the 5th augmented means you sharpen the 5th. Example in G Major, your chord tones are G - the root, B -the 3rd, D -the 5th.

To make the chord diminished you drop the 5th one half step, to C#, to augment the chord you raise the 5th one half step to Eb.

G Major---G dim--G Aug
e-3--------3-------3-------
b-3--------2-------4-------
g-4--------4-------4-------
d-5--------5-------5-------
a--------------------------
e--------------------------

Pretty simple really, just fancy names for raising and lowering 1 note.

[Rick Metal]

Interesting stuff...

[Innards-Decay]

DARKO!! GET ON WITH THE TAPPING! i need to learn the intro to the philosper!

[FearFrost]

DARKO!! GET ON WITH THE TAPPING! i need to learn the intro to the philosper!

No offence but if you can't get that part, then what ever Darko will throw out at us will eat you alive.

[Innards-Decay]

yeah your probably right, but i just got into playing lead and flashy stuff like sweeps and tapping. most of its greek to me right now, but i dunno that part sounds really cool and pretty simple so i figured itd be a good start.

[Innards-Decay]

i found a little easy tap lick that sounds pretty cool, although i dont know two shits about theory so i cant tell you what keys/modes/whatevers its in. its in 16th note triplets at 120-125 bpm

e|t12h8t12h8t12h8t12h8t12h5t12h5t12h5t12h5t10h7t10h710h7t10h4t10h4t
b|----------------------------
g|----------------------------
d|----------------------------
a|----------------------------

e|10h4t10h4
b|----------------------------
g|----------------------------
d|----------------------------
a|----------------------------
come up with other cool stuff like this.

[BEHEMOTH]

I like the tapping but i like more things like the exapmle is posted up but usig the strings like this:

12(t)-0-8-12(t)-0-8

or something like this other one
12(t)-0-5-8-12(t)-0-5-8

Or the last one ( this has the copyright too :vampire: )
12(t)-0-5-8-12(t)-6 -- 12(t)-0-5-8-12(T)-6

[FearFrost]

e----------------7h12T15/19\15p12p7--------------------------------
b-------------8------------------------8-----------------------------
g----------9------------------------------9--------------------------
d-------9------------------------------------9-----------------------
a-7h10-----------------------------------------10--------------------
e---------------------------------------------------------------------



:eek: THANK YOU!!! If only I was better at sweeps though :(

[Darko]

Allright, so I decided to put all Scales and Sweep tabs into powertabs along with a bunch of cool little sweep runs I made. Any other suggestions to put into it before I get started?

[Necro_Butcher]

thats a good idea

better follow through

[MetalThrashingMad]

Could someone post a link to where I can download guitar pro PLEASE?

[FearFrost]

Allright, so I decided to put all Scales and Sweep tabs into powertabs along with a bunch of cool little sweep runs I made. Any other suggestions to put into it before I get started?

TAPS!!!

@Metalthrashingmad

Its a pay thing, so try kazza or bitturent (sp?)

[johnmansley]

Could someone post a link to where I can download guitar pro PLEASE?

You can get a 30 day trial from mysongbook.com, just download it from there and hey presto. I've had mine for longer than 30 days and it still works. Powertab is much better though.

[Innards-Decay]

yeah but the trial makes it so you can have a max of 24 bars.

[johnmansley]

Does that limit only apply when creating a GP tab?

[Darko]

Sorry guys, been busy. Last 3 day before school starts and well...you know ;). I'll get right on it monday/tusday.

[Innards-Decay]

yeah, also if you make any modifications to a tab you downloaded and save it, it cuts off the bars that come after 24.

[FearFrost]

I have a request: How about some cool penatonic runs or something along those lines. I find there alot of sweep runs, but when it comes to other runs theres not too many.

[methodlessman]

Here's a cool diminished scale exercise my guitar teacher gave me;


|---------------------------------|-----------------------6-----6-9---|
|---------------------------------|---------------8-----8-----8-------|
|-------------------------------6-|-----6-9---6-9---6-9-----9---------|
|---------------5-----5-8---5-8---|-5-8-----8-------------------------|
|-----4-7---4-7---4-7-----7-------|-----------------------------------|
|-3-6-----6-----------------------|-----------------------------------|

[Cloaca]

Here's a cool diminished scale exercise my guitar teacher gave me;


|---------------------------------|-----------------------6-----6-9---|
|---------------------------------|---------------8-----8-----8-------|
|-------------------------------6-|-----6-9---6-9---6-9-----9---------|
|---------------5-----5-8---5-8---|-5-8-----8-------------------------|
|-----4-7---4-7---4-7-----7-------|-----------------------------------|
|-3-6-----6-----------------------|-----------------------------------|



Thanks, mate. Ive been looking fore some more Necrophagist style scale exercises.

Holy shit I just figured out a couple of riffs from Mutilate the Stillborn which use this scale! Double thanks! :beer:

[methodlessman]

Happy to help.

[AnubisXy]

A little Theory application:

Learn the scales up each string, one at a time. As mentioned numerous times before goto the following site, and take a peek at the C Major scale: http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/guitar/index_rb.html

The numbers you're looking at are the scales intervals. Hint, start at 1 and go in order. The reason some of the other scales have intervals that have a little 'b' or a '#' next to them is because they are lower or higher compared to the C major scale. Those are sharps and flats, the reason they exist is for some reason all nomanclature is based on the C Major Scale, that's just the way it is.

So, what determines if it's b or #? Well, the C major scale has an interval structure of 1-2-3-4-5-6-7, it is composed of the 'natural' notes, starting on C. C-D-E-F-G-A-B. If we look at that on the fretboard, we have an interval structure as follows below starting on the 3rd fret of the A string.

A-|-3-5-7-8-10-12-14-(15, root, perfect eighth)-

Notice that between 7 and 8 (14 and 15, or an octave lower on the same string, 2 and 3. There is only one fret difference. That's because out of the 12 notes that exist (A - A#/Bb - B - C - C#/Db - D - D#/Eb - E - F - F#/Gb - G - G#/Ab) there is no E#/Fb or B#/Cb, these notes do not exist. Those notes that are the same, A#/Bb for example, are called "ENHARMONICS". What Determines which is used is whether you're going up or down, down is flat, up is sharp. Each of these 12 notes are 1/2 step away from each other. 1/2 steps are the building blocks of music, so to speak. Knowing that there are no enharmonics between B and C, or E and F we can determine that the C major scale is of the following structure, using half steps 2-2-1-2-2-2-1. We can determine this because we know that each half step is 1 fret, so

c-d = 2 (1/2 steps)
on the fretboard:
A-|-3-5 (2 frets)

d-e = 2 (1/2 steps)
A-|-5-7 (2 frets)

e-f = 1 (1/2 step)
A-|-7-8

Get the picture?

You'll notice that you can play any scale and any mode in any position on the fretboard. Once you start to visualize this in your mind a wonderful thing has begun and a whole endless universe of possibilities will open up.

[AnubisXy]

sorry about the double post.

[methodlessman]

Here is alittle bit of Gorgasm's Morbid Overgrowth, its got some slower sweep picking, its good practice.


||----------------------------------------------------------------------------------||
||o---------------------------------------------------------13-10------------------o||
||------6-8-9p8p6-------6-8-9p8p6---------11-13-14p13p11----------11----------------||
||----6-----------6---6-----------6----11----------------11----------13-10----------||
||o-7---------------7---------------12-------------------------------------12-9----o||
||------------------------------------------------------------------------------11--||

[wookieslaughter]

cool diminished scale exercise


Key = G minor

E|-------------------------------5-----5-8------8-11-15----|
B|---------------4-----4-7---4-7---4-7-----7-10------------|
G|-----2-5---2-5---2-5-----5-------------------------------|
D|---4-----4-----------------------------------------------|
A|-5-------------------------------------------------------|
E|---------------------------------------------------------|


:behead:

[G_urr_A]

Pretty simple, but good (mellow) sounding 6-string sweep:
Dmaj7+9
e|-12 nine
B|-10 fifth
G|-9- nine
D|-11 major seventh
A|-9- third
E|-10 root

If you sweep it all the way through and hit the high and low E strings both on the down sweep and up sweep, it adds up to 8th note triplets in 4/4. If you only pick the outer notes one way, it can be 8th notes in 5/4.

[shemit]

here are just a couple of sweeps that i made up...tell me what you think...

combination of sweep, bend, pull-off


e-------15h18^20--p16p15------------------------------------
b----16-------------------16---------------------
g-17-------------------------17--------------------
d-------------------------------17--------------------
a----------------------------------18------------
E-------------------------------------20-----



e---------9h11-13p9-------------------9h11-12p11------------
b-------11----------11--------------10------------10---------
g-----10---------------10---------9-------------------9--------
d---11-------------------11-----11---------------------11------
a-13-----------------------13-12-------------------------12----
e-----------------------------------------------------------

yeah...tell me what you think...thanks :)

[johnmansley]

Simple but effective, however it can be made even simpler. This is how I'd play it:

e-------15h18^20--p16p15------------------------------------
b----16-------------------16---------------------
g-17-------------------------17--------------------
d-------------------------------17--------------------
a----------------------------------18p15---------
E--------------------------------------------


e---------9h11-13p9-------------------9h11-12p11------------
b-------11----------11--------------10------------10---------
g-----10---------------10---------9-------------------9--------
d---11-------------------11-----11---------------------11------
a-13-----------------------13-12-------------------------12----
e-----------------------------------------------------------

[johnmansley]

Here's a good sweep that I like to play:

|-------------13h17p13--------------------------|
|-----------15--------15----------15p12p0h13~~~-|
|------12-14------------14------14--------------|
|----14-------------------14--14----------------|
|-/15-----------------------12------------------|
|-----------------------------------------------|

[JacksonMan007]

AAAHH! Sweeps Are Hard

[ManOwaR]

AAAHH! Sweeps Are Hard

YES!! I'm sooo with you on that

[johnmansley]

I thought the same thing about a year ago. I've been playing for 9 years and I only really started to figure out how to sweep after 8 of those years. I guess it just came to me because instead of going all out attack on 6-string sweeps - which I'd been trying to do for years - I set my goals a little lower. For example, the above sweep can be split into mini-sweeps that can be practised individually. When you get more confident, combine them together and et viola!

Try breaking it down into smaller parts like these:

|---------|
|---------|
|------12-|
|----14---|
|-/15-----|
|---------|

|-----13h17p13-----|
|---15--------15---|
|-14------------14-|
|------------------|
|------------------|
|------------------|

Gradually, you'll find yourself being able to pull these off cleanly and then you can expand the sweeps as your skill increases. Remember to take them slowly at first!

[SuNioj0369]

This is an exercise, based off of a whole-tone scale, I like to use to work up my sweeping skills:



|--------------------------------------|
|--------------------------------------|
|-12-----12-10------10-8-----8-6----6-|
|------13---------11--------9------7--|
|----14---------12--------10------8---|
|--------------------------------------|



...and so on. I guess this would be geared more toward working up to a more difficult level of sweeping and focusing on the clarity of the sweeping...regardless I think it sounds pretty good. Somestimes I'll continue a bar like that with:


|-----------------------------------|
|-----------------------------------|
|-18-----18-15------15-12------12-|
|------20---------17---------14----|
|----22---------19---------16------|
|-----------------------------------|


...and so on, that one being based off of somesort of diminished scale.

[DeathCS]

AAAHH! Sweeps Are Hard
Practice then you'll be cool like me and be able to sweep. Well, I guess your from Minnesota so you'll probably find it too hard. Silly Minnesotan.

[team_sleeping_pill]

Gentlemen.
This is easier.

A A A B B C C
etc.
http://www.guitarists.net/forum/view.php/9,22351/three_note_per_string_theory_explained_and_corrected.html

If you can't understand what they're talking about, get a friend to help you. It is worth it more than you could ever know.

[younguitarist]

|-5h8p5-----8h11p8-------11h14p11-------14h17p14-------|
|-------7----------10-------------13-------------16----|
|---------8-----------11-------------14-------------17-|
|------------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------|
|------------------------------------------------------|

It sounds really cool if you play it fast :)

[DeathCS]

It sounds really cool if you play it fast :)
ONE SHOT, ONE KILL!

[johnmansley]

Yeah, I like those diminished arpeggios, too.

[DeathCS]

----------12-15-12------------------------
-------14----------14----------------------
-12-15---------------15-12---------------
----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------
----------------------------------------
Awesome, just move it up and down the neck 3 frets at a time.

[ManOwaR]

when you peoble became able to sweep perfectly how long had you been playing and how long had you been practising sweeps?

[ThongPick]

Try this one. It's the hardest i tryed with sweep and taping because you have to play it very fast

Take from

Dying Fetus
Justifiable Homicide
Destroy the Opposition
www.dyingfetus.com
Tabbed by Sean Beasley and Mike Kimball


------------------10h14t19p14h10-----------------
---------------12-----------------12--------------
-------------12---------------------12------------
-----------12-------------------------12----------
--10h12h14-----------------------------14p12p10--
---------------------------------------------------


I just creat 1 sweep riff. Keep the same structure and start playing at

15
then same structure but starting at 12
then same structure but starting at 17
then same structure but starting at 19 (hardest, need 24 fret)

it should sound great


----------------15-19-15----------------
-------------17----------17-------------
-----------16--------------16-----------
---------17------------------17---------
---14-19-----------------------19-14----
-15----------------------------------15--

[k13m]

dunno if u could call this a sweep but it sounds sweet, its starts with major and then dim. i think lol


------------14h17p14------------------------------------------14h17p14-
---------15-----------15---------------13h16p13---------13h16----------
------14-----------------14---------14----------14----14----------------
---16----------------------16-13h16----------------16-------------------
-17----------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------14h17/20p17---------------17h20p17--------------17--22B
-13p16---13h16-------------19p16---16h19----------19p16--16h19--------
-------14-------------------------17----------------------17-------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

[h4x5k8]

dunno if u could call this a sweep but it sounds sweet, its starts with major and then dim. i think lol


------------14h17p14------------------------------------------14h17p14-
---------15-----------15---------------13h16p13---------13h16----------
------14-----------------14---------14----------14----14----------------
---16----------------------16-13h16----------------16-------------------
-17----------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------14h17/20p17---------------17h20p17--------------17--22B
-13p16---13h16-------------19p16---16h19----------19p16--16h19--------
-------14-------------------------17----------------------17-------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
do you have a sound clip of anyone playing it?

[younguitarist]

---------------
-13p16---
-------14--
-----------
-----------
------------

you cant pull off from 13 to 16 :p

It sounds pretty cool though.

[k13m]

yeah lol, im only human, i have a clip- of it but thats in the end of a song that i had to learn from my guitar teacher he wrote it..

anyone who wants it let me know or email me cuz its a few mb

vis4life@hotmail.com

greetz :beer:

[Exodus666]

Can anybody give some tips for performig a 'standard' sweep + tapping a note (like fret 21, 20 or so)?
Does it involve a certain motion or trick to do it quickly and clean?

[k13m]

Can anybody give some tips for performig a 'standard' sweep + tapping a note (like fret 21, 20 or so)?
Does it involve a certain motion or trick to do it quickly and clean?
do u mean tapping and sweeping at the same time or tappoign AND sweeping??

anyway for just start slowly and make the movement a natural movement wich u dont have to think for and then get to speed.
if u mean tabbind ans sweeping at the same time try this.

its from nuno bettencourts get the funk out

------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------14-17-14-----------------------------
------------------14-18-14-----------14-18-14-------------------
---------14-19-14-----------------------------14-19-14----------
12-19-12-----------------------------------------------16-19-14-
------------------------------------------------------------------

this is in major, so if u take an minor arpegio and figure out the next note u should be able to do it:D


hope it help u get the idea, if not sry im drunk :drunk:

[h4x5k8]

haha drunk bastards, :beer:

anyways, i think he means tapping a note at the peaking of your sweep like

------------12-17t20t17p12----------------------
---------13-----------------13------------------
------14-----------------------14---------------
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------

or my favorite

------------8h12t17t12p8-------------------------
---------10--------------10-----------------------
-------9--------------------9---------------------
----10-----------------------10-------------------
-12-----------------------------12----------------
---------------------------------------------------
the T's being the tapping part.

[k13m]

whatever:D:D


lolz

[Exodus666]

Yes I meant what h4x5k8 said... :)

[Baritoner]

So to do a sweep do you pick the notes while fingering at the same time but only using one stroke?(doesn't get it)

[h4x5k8]

yea, you pick an arpeggio, you have to kinda angle the pick and just sweep it accross the strings, while fingering each note, make sure you lift each finger as you do it, so you only have one note playing at a time, not any other notes bleeding through to make a chord or somthing. i hope you can understand that.

[TheUndeadMan]

Hey can anyone post some viking scales? They were talkin about them the other day and I was wondering what they sounded like. I looked and couldn't find them any where?

Oh yeah........ k13m, that has got to be the best avatar ever. Other than the guy with the bananas! Haha!!

[ScareCrowMan]

I can do three and four strings sweeps, but I can't figure out how to incorporate any more strings than that into them. Can someone explain how to do five and six string sweeps or point me in the direction of a website, etc. ? I skimmed the thread and I didn't see anything on it...

[younguitarist]

Just break down 6 string sweeps into sections. Example :

Section 1

|-----------------------|
|-----------------------|
|-------------12--------|
|----------12-----------|
|-------14--------------|
|-12h15-----------------|


Section 2

|----12-----------------|
|-13----13--------------|
|----------12-----------|
|-------------14--------|
|-----------------------|
|-----------------------|

Just practice and combine them together and in the end you'll be playing this.


|-------------------12-------------|
|----------------13----13----------|
|-------------12----------12-------|
|----------12----------------12----|
|-------14----------------------14-|
|-12h15----------------------------|

[ScareCrowMan]

Thanks!

[k13m]

ok for those that havent seen or heard or played it already.. heres some crazy sweeping i got of the site yesterday called serrana

[team_sleeping_pill]

Didn't look like anyone talked about parallel octaves, so I'm going to talk about that because it makes sweeping easier.

Here is a G major arpeggio: always G B D
-------------------------7-10---------------------------------------
----------------h------8--h-----------------------------------------
---------------4-7--------------------------------------------------
-----h------5-------------------------------------------------------
----2-5-------------------------------------------------------------
-3------------------------------------------------------------------
On the way down, replace the hammer with pull off. So easy. Note that the next octave is an octave away: first two frets / two strings, then 3 frets / 2 strings.

Do the same moves on these:
A minor
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----h--------------------------------------------------------------
----3-7-------------------------------------------------------------
-5------------------------------------------------------------------

B dim
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----h--------------------------------------------------------------
----5-8-------------------------------------------------------------
-7------------------------------------------------------------------

A minor
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----h--------------------------------------------------------------
----7-12------------------------------------------------------------
-8------------------------------------------------------------------


Remember you can parallel any two-string parttern, as long as you pair strings 1& 2, 3&4, and 5&6.

[h4x5k8]

I can do three and four strings sweeps, but I can't figure out how to incorporate any more strings than that into them. Can someone explain how to do five and six string sweeps or point me in the direction of a website, etc. ? I skimmed the thread and I didn't see anything on it...
http://metaltabs.com/forum/showpost.php?p=230573&postcount=184
a couple posts up i show a fairly easy 5 string sweep

[BloodThirstyDemon]

can anyone tab me out the irish folk scale?? can't find it anywhere

[estringrev]

In most of the sweeps in fact as I think of it now all the sweeps I practice have barred whatevers. What I need to know is in 4,5,6 string sweeps are you suppose to barre and if yes how do you go about doing this cause I can do it but I don't know if I'm doing it properly.

[johnmansley]

When you barre, use a rolling motion so that the notes don't sound as you move to the next string. It's a hard technique but practise it slowly at first in order to master the correct motion. Then once you've mastered the actually act at a slow pace, you can move onto gaining speed with your sweeping.

Of course, if you try to sweep like Muhammed Suicmez on your first attempt it's going to sound like the death throes of a baboon in labour so set your sights a little lower at first. You could try practising the rolling motion on 3-string sweeps at first. Try the following example for your index finger:

|-------12h15p12----------12h15p12----|
|----12----------12----12----------12-|
|-12----------------12----------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|

And then the next example for your ring or middle fingers:

|----------12h15p12---------|
|-------14----------14------|
|----14----------------14---|
|-14---------------------14-|
|---------------------------|
|---------------------------|

Then you should have the necessary skills to attempt 5 and 6-string sweeps like:

|-------------------12h15p12-------------------|
|----------------12----------12----------------|
|-------------12----------------12-------------|
|----------14----------------------14----------|
|-------14----------------------------14-------|
|-12h15----------------------------------15p12-|

[estringrev]

thanks for your help.

[ShredIsNotDead]

This lesson is all about finger rolling. It helped me a lot.

http://insaneguitar.com/col/joel/Joel8.html

[SpiritCrusher]

can anyone tab me out the irish folk scale?? can't find it anywhere

What ?

[Ragnarök]

just get GuitarPro.. every scale you could possibly imagine :)

edit: but isn't something like that just a normal scale? major or something?

[MetalThrashingMad]

When you barre, use a rolling motion so that the notes don't sound as you move to the next string. It's a hard technique but practise it slowly at first in order to master the correct motion. Then once you've mastered the actually act at a slow pace, you can move onto gaining speed with your sweeping.

Of course, if you try to sweep like Muhammed Suicmez on your first attempt it's going to sound like the death throes of a baboon in labour so set your sights a little lower at first. You could try practising the rolling motion on 3-string sweeps at first. Try the following example for your index finger:

|-------12h15p12----------12h15p12----|
|----12----------12----12----------12-|
|-12----------------12----------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|

And then the next example for your ring or middle fingers:

|----------12h15p12---------|
|-------14----------14------|
|----14----------------14---|
|-14---------------------14-|
|---------------------------|
|---------------------------|

Then you should have the necessary skills to attempt 5 and 6-string sweeps like:

|-------------------12h15p12-------------------|
|----------------12----------12----------------|
|-------------12----------------12-------------|
|----------14----------------------14----------|
|-------14----------------------------14-------|
|-12h15----------------------------------15p12-|

Wow tank you :beer:

[powersofterror]

originally posted by YJM04


----------------8h12p8----------------------------6h10p6--------------*
--------------10-------10------------------------8-------8-------------*
------------9-------------9---------------------7---------7------------*
-------7h10----------------10p7-------------5h8-----------8p5---------*
-----7--------------------------7-----------5------------------5-------*
-5h8-----------------------------8p5~--3h6---------------------6p3~--*


---------------4h8p4---------------------------6h10p6--------------
-------------6-------6------------------------8--------8-------------
-----------5----------5----------------------7-----------7-----------
-------3h6-------------6p3---------------5h8--------------8p5-------
-----3---------------------3------------5---------------------5-------
-1h4-------------------------4p1~--3h6------------------------6p3~--
Double time

---------------8h12p8--------------------------------10h14p10-----------------
-------------10-------10---------------------------12---------12---------------
------------9------------9-----------------------11--------------11------------
-------7h10---------------10p7--------------9h12------------------12p9--------
-----7-------------------------7------------9---------------------------9------
-5h8----------------------------8p5~--7h10------------------------------10p7~

-------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------
--------------8-11~-11-8---------------------------9-12~--
---------7-10------------10-7------------------8-11---------
-----6-9----------------------9-6----------7-10-------------
-5-8------------------------------8-5~-6-9------------------

T P P H T P P H T P P H T P P H
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--16-12-9--12----16-12-9--12----17-12-9--12----17-12-9--12--|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


T P P H T P P H T P P H T P P H
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--17-11-8--11----17-11-8--11----16-11-8--11----16-11-8--11--|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|



T P P H T P P H T P P H T P P H
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--16-10-7--10----16-10-7--10----17-10-7--10----16-10-7--10--|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|



|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--16-9--6--9-----16-9--6--9-----14-9--6--9-----14-9--6--9---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|

.
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--14-8--5--8-----14-8--5--8-----16-8--5--8-----14-8--5--8---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--14-7--4--7-----14-7--4--7-----12-7--4--7-----12-7--4--7---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--12-6--3--6-----12-6--3--6-----11-6--3--6-----11-6--3--6---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--11-5--2--5-----11-5--2--5-----12-5--2--5-----11-5--2--5---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--11-4--1--4-----11-4--1--4-----9--4--1--4-----9--4--1--4---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|

|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--8--4--1--4-----8--4--1--4-----9--4--1--4-----9--4--1--4---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--11-3--1--3-----11-3--1--3-----9--3--1--3-----9--3--1--3---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--8--3--1--3-----8--3--1--3-----9--3--1--3-----9--3--1--3---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|


|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--9--2--1--2-----9--2--1--2-----8--2--1--2-----8--2--1--2---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|------------------------------------------------------------|



T P P H T P P H T P P H T P P
|------------------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--6--2--1--2-----6--2--1--2-----8--2--1--2-----8--2--1------|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--------------------------------------------------------7---|
H >---> Left
Hand

T P H T P H T P H T P H
|--------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|----------------------------13-5--8-----13-5--8---|
|----12-4--7-----12-4--7---------------------------|



T P H T P H T P H T P H
|--------------------------------------------------|
|--- ---|
|----------------------------15-7--10----15-7--10--|
|----14-6--9-----14-6--9---------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--------------------------------------------------|



|----------------------------18-10-13----18-10-13--|
|----17-9--12----17-9--12--------------------------|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--------------------------------------------------|



|----18-10-13----18-10-13----18-10-13----18-10-13~-|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--- ---|
|--------------------------------------------------


T=tap
H=hammer on
p=pull off
~=vibrato
and (the ending is all tapping) yes the ending tap solo is from flight of the wounded bumble bee.this is what really works ur chops out. try it

[morbid_priest]

^ ARE YOU INSANE???

[younguitarist]

hehe it just takes practice and time man :)

[blizzard_beast]

Any tips on upstroke sweeping? Like any exercises to help me out?

[TempleoftheAbsurd]

Ive only recently heard of this form, and I havent seen anyone do it. According to my friend, hes seen the guy from Necrophagist do it. It has something to do with sweeping with 4 fingers from each hand on the fretboard, and each note is hammered on and pulled off. Does anyone know what Im talking about, and has anyone ever tried this?

[johnmansley]

Do you mean tapped arpeggios? I can tap out arpeggios but I tend to use just the one finger to tap them. Chris Arp of Psyopus does it with four fingers, I believe.

[younguitarist]

4 fingers!?! I'd love to see that.

[k13m]

Any tips on upstroke sweeping? Like any exercises to help me out?errmm, i dont know a good way to explain but ill try my fucking best:)

use a verry loose wrist (duh) but make sure u put pressure on the pick, so u rilli bash into the next string.

also try to get ur pick angeled, not like how u would angle it for fast trempicking, but try to bend it up or down

so the poin of ur pick points towarts the high or low e string

so if u sweep down the pick points towarts the low E
and if u sweep up it bends towarts the high E


maybe this helps a bit

down stroke
/ / / / / /
. . . . . .

up stroke
\ \ \ \ \ \
. . . . . .
every dot is a string from the front or back of the guitar
and the / \ is the way u bent the pick for up and down strokes
if this doesnt help ya, keep to the explanation above:D


hopefully this makes a little sence to ya :beer:

[johnmansley]

4 fingers!?! I'd love to see that.

He's an awesome guitarist, probably one of the most technically gifted I have ever heard.

[obrien20]

hey guys, i decide to make this simple arpeggio lesson for those who have troble playing sweeps, arpeggious, so, i make that scale for you guys that are beginners on sweeps and want to learn some more, try play it very slowly, then try play as fast as you can...just practice.

:beer:

[MetalThrashingMad]

Very nice! This will be of use to me.


EDIT: I didnt look at it first, did you mean to include something else in there?

[obrien20]

I don't think so bro, it just for a simple study...an effective one i thought.

[andrewc]

Thank you Moforin!

[johnmansley]

Does anybody want to elaborate on the theory behind arpeggios? If not I'll move this to the Guitar Forum.

[powersofterror]

An arpeggio consists of scale degrees 1/3/5. There of course are others, but this is the most generic one. Ha, you can move it now, cause that's pretty much all an arpeggio is...:p Then I'll stick it in the scales and sweeps page.

[guitar_demon]

i always thought an arpeggio was when you play the notes of a chord but seperatly in a row so instead of
e
c
a

it would be like
a, e, c, e ,a c ect

[johnmansley]

An arpeggio consists of scale degrees 1/3/5. There of course are others, but this is the most generic one. Ha, you can move it now, cause that's pretty much all an arpeggio is...:p Then I'll stick it in the scales and sweeps page.

Done.

[sqol]

:beer: Cheers for that, should help me to sweep :)

[HermanRi!]

can anyone play the double fours?
its chromatics but like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 instead of 1 2 3 4

edit:

heres a sample
http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3NG5X3AGA5R1512ANG8CTQTA0R

[davie_gravy]

Couldn't you just drop down a string and back a fret and accomplish the same thing :confused:

[johnmansley]

You could, but this method will improve your accuracy in shifting down frets at high speed. Move from the 6th string to the 1st and back again using this pattern and build up speed gradually. It sounds and looks very impressive when done in about 5 seconds. It's quite simple if you're fully warmed up and a good alternate picker.

[guitar_demon]

can anyone play the double fours?
its chromatics but like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 instead of 1 2 3 4

those beings frets?

[h4x5k8]

whats the easiest fingerings to use for this exercise? cause hitting 8 notes on one string is hard with 4 fingers doing it fast and chromaticly

[HermanRi!]

i dunno, i just found it on one of my total guitar cover cds, its pretty impressive

[Schizoid]

Ya didn't mention Melodic Minor scales.

[johnmansley]

That's where I learnt it from. I believe it was from a Mick Thompson lesson and that is the exercise he uses to warm up. For the record, he plays it lightning quick.

GD: yeah, those are frets.

h4x5k8: you finger the first four frets with each of your four fretting fingers and then (very) quickly shift up to the next four and fret them in the same way. Then when you shift up a string you (very) quickly shift back and repeat the cycle.

As I said earlier, it's an excellent exercise for improving your accuracy when moving up and down the fretboard quickly. Try to add some frets inbetween as well to further improve accuracy and dexterity.

Eg,

E|-1-2-3-4-6-7-8-9-|

E|-1-2-3-4-7-8-9-10-|

etc...

It will greatly improve your ability to do stuff like:

e|-0h4h7-0h7h10-0h4h7-0h12h15-0h4h7-0h15h19-0h4h7t12p7p4p0-|

[\m/Eat At Joe's\m/]

Getting back to sweeping, whenever I attempt upstroke sweeps I mess up, and the notes sustain. Should I lift my hands off the frets, or should I try something else?

For example doing
--12
----13
------14
....I move my picking hand in an "upstroke" direction to keep it all balanced. But it ends up sounding terrible! Any help would ber GREATLY appreciated.

[OpethFan]

try removing your fingers from the frets as you sweep over them. Should kill that sustain you're talking about

[k13m]

keep in mind that at the 12 theres a natual harmonic, wich might ring if i dont mute after playing... just in case u didnt figure that out :beer:

[sqol]

Getting back to sweeping, whenever I attempt upstroke sweeps I mess up, and the notes sustain. Should I lift my hands off the frets, or should I try something else?

For example doing
--12
----13
------14
....I move my picking hand in an "upstroke" direction to keep it all balanced. But it ends up sounding terrible! Any help would ber GREATLY appreciated.

You want to kinda move your fingers as if you were drumming them on a table, so you actually only fret one note at a time :)

[younguitarist]

yeah and try to mute them with your wrist after the note is played.

[\m/Eat At Joe's\m/]

Thanks a million. I'm better at it on my first try!

[active corpse fucker]

I find that picking the string quite hard stops the notes from ring after playing. I know someone who uses his right hand to mute the strings after playing them but means he is struggling getting his speed up.

i only learnt how to sweep pick from this thread and a week later sweep picking has become one of my most important techniques. :beer:

[active corpse fucker]

Here is a sweep picking exercise i got from Marty Friedman from Megadeth. Sounds good slow or fast plus good exercise for hammer ons, pull offs and slides in a sweep.



|----------------------12^15^12----------------12^15/20^15-----------15-17-|
|-------------------13----------13----------14--------------17----17-----------|
|----------------12----------------12----12--------------------17--------------|
|---------10^14-----------------------14---------------------------------------|
|-----10------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|8^12--------------------------------------------------------------------------|

[christianiastheshit]

I've never had guitar instruction from ANYONE in my life, so this thread really helped me learn the awesome technique that is sweeping. Thank-you all!

This is one of my favourite sweeping licks that comes straight from Exercise 9 of Passage to the Reaper by Alexi Laiho.

|-------------------14h17/21-17----------------------17h21p17----------17-21-22-t24|
|----------------14-------------19----------------19----------19----19-------------|
|-------------14-------------------18----------18----------------18----------------|
|----------16-------------------------19----19-------------------------------------|
|-------16-------------------------------21----------------------------------------|
|-14-17----------------------------------------------------------------------------|

[OpethFan]

I just found this, not sure if its already been posted here but its reallly fuckin helpful for learning scales. :beer:

[active corpse fucker]

yeah this quite a stupid question - but when playing to a metronome, am i aiming to start the first sweep on the first click and the next sweep on the next click? If i try with a metronome it has to be going at a snails pace.

Also what type of speed should i be aiming for to make it sound so fluid?

[OpethFan]

I decided to take up sweeping ;)

Iv just been practising sweeping real slowly, trying to get each note individual. Just in basic stuff like -

|-10---------|---------10|-13----------|---------13-----
|----11------|------11---|----12-------|------12--------
|-------12---|---12------|-------11----|---11-----------
|----------13|-13--------|-----------10|-10-------------
|------------|------------|-------------|----------------

Its fuckin hard! but i can do it slowly at least. Im guessing its all just a HEAP of practise.

|----------------------5h7-|-12h9---------------------------
|-------------------5h7----|------12h9---------------------
|---------------6h9--------|-----------11h9----------------
|-----------5h7------------|----------------9h7-------------
|-------5h7----------------|--------------------9h7---------
|---5h7--------------------|------------------------7h5------

I dont find that sorta thing too hard, i can do it fast. Its just the top kinda sweeping thats taking time to get used to

|-12------------------------
|----11--------------------
|-------11---------------
|----------11--------------

These are the ones i hate, the 'rolling barre' kinda bits.

Does anyone have some real beginners patterns which would be good for me to practise??

Thanks! :beer:

[christianiastheshit]

yeah this quite a stupid question - but when playing to a metronome, am i aiming to start the first sweep on the first click and the next sweep on the next click? If i try with a metronome it has to be going at a snails pace.

Also what type of speed should i be aiming for to make it sound so fluid?

I don't think you should do it that way, but I guess it depends on the sweep your doing. A good way to do it would be to hit 4 notes of a sweep for every click, or a system similar to that. So If your playing at 100 bpm, your playing 4 notes per click, which is very slow for sweeping. Move the bpms up, and It will gets tough. Anything past 140 bpm at 4 notes per click is getting quite fluid sounding, IMO. That's just the way I do it, and it really helps co-ordinate your right picking hand with your left scaling hand (or vice versa).

[active corpse fucker]

cheers :beer:

trying to work out speed for 6 string sweeping as i seem to start speeding up after the 3rd sweep - should i just start at say 60bpm and do the whole sweep and just try and get it faster with all the notes (11 in all) in a beat?

[christianiastheshit]

This is the kinda stuff I like to practise with a metronome.

It's real useful for nailing timing and working up your speed.

|---------15-19-17-14------------------10-14-15-14-12--------
|------*17-------*---15-------------*12-------*------15~----
|-----16---------------14~---------11-----------------*------
|---17------------------*--------12--------------------------
|*19--------------------------*14----------------------------
|------------------------------------------------------------

The stars in front of, and under some, are metronome clicks. So in this case, on every 3 notes you hit you should be on perfect time with the metronome. The vibrato at the end is to be held briefly, until the next click.

Starting slow, at 100bpm, its quite difficult to get the timing right, its just so slow! Moving up to 120bpm, then 140, then 160 it starts to sound good. The sweep was intended for a speed close to 160. If u can get up to 180 and 200 you've got some crazy sweeping ability ;) I start missing notes at 180, and I'm not on time with the metronome. Hope that helps in any way.

[active corpse fucker]

cheers man :beer:

[OpethFan]

Those are cool patterns.
My favourite one i can play so far is

D|-------------7---9h13p9-11--------------
A|-----------8---8------------10-----------
F|--------9-----------------------11-------
C|-----9------------------------------13---
G|-10--------------------------------------
D|-----------------------------------------

D|----------------9h13h9h12-----------
A|------------11-------------11--------
F|---------9---------------------9------
C|-----11-------------------------------
G|-13-----------------------------------
D|--------------------------------------
This is the intro from Necrophagist - Fermented Offal Discharge

It was good to practise slow to get a hang of sweeping.
The first half I can already almost play as fast as the song. 1 day after learning :eek:

Another real cool bit of that song to learn is -
|----------15h19-15~---15-14h15p14--------
|-------17---------------------------17~----
|----16-------------------------------------
|-17----------------------------------------
|-------------------------------------------
|-------------------------------------------
The sweep is nice and short, easy to learn and real cool once you get it to speed.

[HatecrewESP]

Those are cool patterns.
My favourite one i can play so far is

D|-------------7---9h13p9-11--------------
A|-----------8---8------------10-----------
F|--------9-----------------------11-------
C|-----9------------------------------13---
G|-10--------------------------------------
D|-----------------------------------------

D|----------------9h13h9h12-----------
A|------------11-------------11--------
F|---------9---------------------9------
C|-----11-------------------------------
G|-13-----------------------------------
D|--------------------------------------
This is the intro from Necrophagist - Fermented Offal Discharge

.

:beer: that was first song i heard of them and thats when i shit my pants

[OpethFan]

:beer: that was first song i heard of them and thats when i shit my pants

Haha you HAVE to check this out then (if you havent).

http://www.smnnews.com/board/showth...6270#post986270
just scroll down and theres a video of a guy playing fermented offal discharge (its in like 5 parts or something).

Its awesome, i found that it helped me out learning to sweep being able to see what the finished product is like.
Look for a thread on jason becker in this forum somewhere, thats an insane video too.

[YJM04]

i call this one the slinky. its a great warm-up

-------12----------------------------12h17p12----------12h17/19-21~-------
----11---13-----------------------14-----------14---14-------
--10--------14-----------------13-----------------13-------
-9-------------15p12--------12---------------------------
----------------------13h14------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------

[madtrixcerenzia]

i call this one the slinky. its a great warm-up

-------12----------------------------12h17p12----------12h17/19-21~-------
----11---13-----------------------14-----------14---14-------
--10--------14-----------------13-----------------13-------
-9-------------15p12--------12---------------------------
----------------------13h14------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------

How are you fingering the beginning part. I came up with some good ideas, but nothing i liked too much.

[YJM04]

How are you fingering the beginning part. I came up with some good ideas, but nothing i liked too much.
-------12----------------------------12h17p12----------12h17/19-21~-------
----11---13-----------------------14-----------14---14-------
--10--------14-----------------13-----------------13-------
-9-------------15p12--------12---------------------------
----------------------13h14------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 1 2 3 2 1 4 1 4 1 2 1 2 1 4 4 1


1=index
2=middle
3=ring
4=pinky

[YJM04]

this is more of an exercise

--------------------------------1h3h5------
-------------------------1h3h5-------
-------------------1h3h5-------------
-------------1h3h5-------------------
-------1h3h5-------------------------
-1h3h5-------------------------------
1 3 4 ect..