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Father Death
2003-12-28, 16:12
http://www.vans.com/slayer/
"12.22.03 - Slayer Old Skools Coming Soon
You can't get them until 2004, but you can win a pair of the Vans Slayer Old Skools. Check out the shoes, enter the contest, watch some video and leave your name to be the first to get your hands on them."
...and thus ends slayer's reign as the only big 4 metal band that stayed true...
:kaioken: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :kaioken: :sickface:
Oh my fucking god...
Sad thing is, I'll still go see them live. Especially if they keep this 'play the whole Reign in Blood record as an encore' up.
It's sad......maybe it has something to do with getting older. Or maybe it's just King's fault, who knows.
But like Dead, i will most likely still go see them in concert. One thing's for sure......the energy at Slayer concerts is unsurpassed.
Yeah, someone posted that in a RTT awhile ago...Thats a new low for any band. Seriously. I won't be surprised if they have Slayer lunchbox soon.
daggerfall
2003-12-28, 17:50
Age over 13 only the commersial says...
nobody over 13 wants those ugly shoes:stoned:
Never heard anny Slayer I belive, but I think this is realy sad...
Father Death
2003-12-28, 18:09
i can understand a concert...i guess....but no more merchandise or albums will ever be purchased again.
soulterashaun
2003-12-28, 22:06
Did the band have anything to do with it?
I mean, it seems like it wouldn't be any different from selling a tee shirt or something. But the whole idea of them making shoes is just pretty lame to begin with.....
I dont know, I dont think its that big of a deal. Oh well.
You do have a point, but the band had to "ok" the whole deal. So all in all it's still all Slayer's responsability.
Gigantic Penis
2003-12-28, 22:17
Eh, you guys are making too big of a deal. So what? If I was in a poular band like Slayer, I would think it is cool to have a shoe. I mean, don't get me wrong, those are ugly shoes, but it would still be cool for a band, after making how many different shirts, to get something new.
Bands start with shirts, then move on to hooded sweatshirts, or maybe jerseys (personal opinion: I think band jerseys are retarded). After that, it's just another interesting piece of band paraphanalia.
Megadeth had a comic book deal, several bands have had action figures. Slayer has a shoe.
Raagshinnah
2003-12-28, 22:24
Originally posted by memnoch
One thing's for sure......the energy at Slayer concerts is unsurpassed.
i guess you havent seen martyr live yet... :D
Originally posted by Gigantic Penis
Eh, you guys are making too big of a deal. So what? If I was in a poular band like Slayer, I would think it is cool to have a shoe. I mean, don't get me wrong, those are ugly shoes, but it would still be cool for a band, after making how many different shirts, to get something new.
Bands start with shirts, then move on to hooded sweatshirts, or maybe jerseys (personal opinion: I think band jerseys are retarded). After that, it's just another interesting piece of band paraphanalia.
Megadeth had a comic book deal, several bands have had action figures. Slayer has a shoe.
Pantera had a comic book too! And the megadeth comic was lame, and it was just the lyrics from the first 4 tracks on Peace Sells.... pretty creatvie huh? But thats lame of slayer, i blame king! And just to make it worse... there skater shoes HOW COOL!
Undying_Hatred
2003-12-29, 07:22
Best part is you know the shoes will sell out. Pun definently intended.
The Doctor
2003-12-29, 08:45
and the popup sais Old Skool
FuCkInG MeTaL!!\m/\m/\m/
metal=life
2003-12-29, 09:22
I thought they were cool. I got a pair for christmas
Gigantic Penis
2003-12-29, 15:40
Originally posted by BLS
And the megadeth comic was lame, and it was just the lyrics from the first 4 tracks on Peace Sells....
No, I read it, it was a real comic book. It was really just a bunch of stories that all had the same plot. Guy has sex with hot chick, and then he pays for it with his life.
...but their fucking shoes. Snoop Dog has a fucking Caddilac named after him. There is a line that once passed and it is clear that its no longer about giving the fans something cool, but instead is solely about profit. Sure, all merchindise is about profit, but there is a point where thats all they care about.
Father Death
2003-12-29, 19:18
Originally posted by metal=life
I thought they were cool. I got a pair for christmas
:smash: :smash: :smash: :behead:
Sankmark
2003-12-29, 19:48
Originally posted by memnoch
It's sad......maybe it has something to do with getting older. Or maybe it's just King's fault, who knows.
But like Dead, i will most likely still go see them in concert. One thing's for sure......the energy at Slayer concerts is unsurpassed.
I think its more likely that they are overrated live.
They totally sucked at Wacken this year, a real dissapointment!
(I could have got more drunk instead of that suck-ass koncert!) :)
Almost any all days concert fests have bad sound...
Originally posted by Gigantic Penis
No, I read it, it was a real comic book. It was really just a bunch of stories that all had the same plot. Guy has sex with hot chick, and then he pays for it with his life.
The one i have (dont remember which one and i dont feel like digging through my old comic colleciton to find it) was extremely lame, but yours sounds pretty shitty also :beer:
yeah I saw this a while ago, sad shit.
sanderinos
2003-12-30, 08:19
I can even view it in 3D!!! wow! :eek:
Dissection
2003-12-30, 08:46
I think only Gigantic Penis sees the good in this.
Look at it this way: Slayer are getting the metal name out there. If they have to do it with a pair of nasty ass shoes, then so be it. I wont stop in their way.
An (ex)extreme band getting advertising that way. Shit, i would do it in a heartbeat, and so would every one of you assholes. You dont have to admit it, but dont deny its good advertising.
~Dissection~
Nihilist
2003-12-30, 09:14
That would be called "selling out".
Dissection
2003-12-30, 09:17
If we still played the same music, the same stage show, but suddenly got publicity, that is selling out? Fuck no. Selling out is changing your style as to fit the media's expectations of modern, metal in this case.
CannibalXampire
2003-12-30, 09:51
*cough* God Hates Us All *cough*
:p
Dissection
2003-12-30, 09:56
exactly. I wasnt calling slayer a sellout for the shoes; but for God Hates All. And since you didnt deny that you'd do the same, i'll assume my point was taken. :D
metal=life
2003-12-30, 10:54
I want some Cryptopsy shoes.
BeastOfCarrion
2003-12-30, 11:51
I want some Cryptopsy shoes.
why not??
im suprised there are no Metallica shoes
The Doctor
2003-12-30, 12:34
god hates us all doesnt suck at all man
CannibalXampire
2003-12-30, 13:06
No one said it sucks...just that it was made for mainstream appeal. But the name and cover art do, indeed, suck.
i don't think this is selling out at all. I always want more merchandise from my favorite bands, and if slayer was my favorite band i'd be ecstatic (example, i want a Dream Theater coffee mug....i'm dead serious).
the shoes aren't that bad looking....
i'm not too knowledgeable about Slayer, but how does endorsing slayer shoes make them sell out?
how is this different than band shirts, hoodies, etc?
Selling out is when you compromise your music for the sake of money, how does the shoes affect the music?
i dont think they are a sellout...
look at dimebag....that guy would sell his hair of his asshole if he could..
plus...your wrong to think kerry king is behind it...
it has jeffs style all over it...
Originally posted by The Doctor
god hates us all doesnt suck at all man
it doesn't?
Undying_Hatred
2003-12-31, 09:30
Dont even fucking dare to try and pin this on Jeff. Whos the fucking homo who signed a deal with oakley for those gay fucking glass's, King. Whos the cunt who signed the tour with Slipshit, King. And besides Jeffs to drunk to do anything at all besides shred.
Yeah King is the money whore. That peice of shit guitar package, and I read that he is comming out with his own clothing line!
Getting the metal name out there sucks. The last thing I want is my music being ripped apart by people who listen to it for braging right. "eVER HEAR oF thAT bAD ass Br00tAL bAND THE HAUNTED??" Yeah promoting metal music to the mainstreem is awesome. I really want my music raped of all dignity.
metal=life
2003-12-31, 19:28
I agree with that 120%
There isn't anything wrong with getting your name out there, but how you get your name out there. How can one be proud of a shoe unless your are a participant in something that usess shoes (i.e. Michael Jordan). This shoe is just another weasly way to suck out an extra 40 bucks (probably more) out of his fans. Its music; not basketball, football, or volleyball. Pathedic.
FearFrost
2003-12-31, 20:56
Someone on this site said it about the boxset, and the same still goes for the shoes, "only a true die hard fan would buy it, or someone new to them would". Think about it, if some guy (or girl) who has EVERY THING Slayer, would buy it to say the have it all, or some little Slipknot kid would think its evil to own a pair.
But there is a Kery King clothing line comming out so if you want to point a finger at someone its him, but hell he was the one started the band, so he can kill it off if he wants to.
Originally posted by Darko
There isn't anything wrong with getting your name out there, but how you get your name out there. How can one be proud of a shoe unless your are a participant in something that usess shoes (i.e. Michael Jordan). This shoe is just another weasly way to suck out an extra 40 bucks (probably more) out of his fans. Its music; not basketball, football, or volleyball. Pathedic.
by that logic, you could say that band-shirts don't get used in music. Often bands play live without wearing any shirts at all.
how do you respond to that Mr. darko?
:cool:
and how can one be proud of it? well they're the first real metal band to do this (to my knowledge)
Originally posted by atifman
by that logic, you could say that band-shirts don't get used in music. Often bands play live without wearing any shirts at all.
how do you respond to that Mr. darko?
:cool:
and how can one be proud of it? well they're the first real metal band to do this (to my knowledge)
I bealive you misunderstood my post. Band shirts do get used in music but it dosen't inhance the music at all, same with shoes. But the shoe dosen't make you a better skater, fan, or metalhead. Although the same thing goes with shirts. But along with Shirts, Necklaces, Patches, Stickers, Sweaters, glasses, CDs, DVDs, Box Sets, and a new clothing line.. A shoe isn't very important. I didn't say that Slayer sold out for making a shoe, I said that they are trying to make more money.
I was incorrect on the proud statement, anyone can feel proud. I could be the first guitarist to make a T.V. and be proud of it.
Originally posted by Darko
I didn't say that Slayer sold out for making a shoe, I said that they are trying to make more money.
which band isn't, though?
bands have bills to pay too.
perhaps other metal bands haven't tried this before, because they probably weren't able to get a respectable shoe brand to actually go along with it.
and since Slayer is able to, imo, more power to them.
bands and bandmembers aren't as closeminded to ideas as you think they should be.
example, Kerry King appeared in the Sum 41 video, and he had a fun time, he didn't care about what people thought about him jamming with a pop-punk band.
i'd say it makes him MORE of a bad-ass.
True. But Slayer I'm sure has enough money.
that may be true
but if you had a succesful band as well, i don't think you would pass up an opportunity like this, which is rare to metal bands.
i think the only reason people find this "shocking" is 'cause this is the first instance of this happening.
King was in a sum 41 video for godsake..... So im really not that surprised to see this lame shit. And yes I do hate Kerry King
Father Death
2004-01-01, 12:03
Originally posted by atifman
i think the only reason people find this "shocking" is 'cause this is the first instance of this happening.
maybe...or maybe its just that any bands or groups that do these klind of deals are very commercial and pop orientated...now you throw slayer next to all these fucks?? they just don't belong...
and as someone posted before, you'll get some fuck come up to you "yeah slayer, they ruuule, fuckign awesome, metal rules!!" then you ask what else they listen to and its Sum 41 and Linkin Park and nothing metal...
if slayer would rather be remembered for having a clothing line and shoes, rather than what they did for metal, than thats pretty sad...
Gigantic Penis
2004-01-01, 15:41
Originally posted by Father Death
if slayer would rather be remembered for having a clothing line and shoes, rather than what they did for metal, than thats pretty sad...
Now I agree with that a lot, but still they are not sell outs.
You can say what you what about what is a music product and what isn't (sports players endorsing shoes, and bands endorsing guitars, etc.), but Slayer, like many other metal bands, have $75 hooded sweatshirts, and jerseys that I've seen for almost $100. A shoe isn't that big of a deal. It is just more band apparal. Not that big of a deal.
On a side note, if my band ever gets successful, I'm gonna endorse totally unrelated products if I can, like engine oil, shaving cream and oven mits.
I'll only do it for like a month, I'd sign really short term deals, then in 1-2 years, there would be all sorts of discontinued band shit out there.
Then we have reached a new conlcusion. Slayer are not sellouts, but money whores.
Gigantic Penis too.
Not that theres anything wrong with that.
Kerry King may have strated Slayer, but remind me again who wrote Angel of Death, Spill the Blood, Necrophiliac, South of Heaven, The whole Season in The Abyss album by himself except for Born of Fire, Postmortem, At Dawn they sleep...
Oh that was Jeff. The one perosn in the band who made his money by writing some of the most amazing metal songs ever. Yeah I dont give a shit about Kerry King.
EDIT: Raining Blood, Die By the Sword, The Anti-Christ...
Exactly Everyone see kerry king with his v guitar and his long goatee and tatooed head and they instatny think "woah hes awesome fuck the other more talented guy" Jeff will forever be SLAYER in my mind
Before i knew shit about anything metal-related, when i first heard Slayer, Jeff immediately became my guitar-God. I didn't have any knowledge of their history, or who wrote which song.......but Jeff just looked way "cooler".
When i see king in videos, whether it's Raining Blood/Black Magic from the early 90's, or just recently at a show, he gives me a "show off-y" vibe. He seems to want to look the angriest, evil-est guy out there. While on the other hand, i look over at Jeff (and Araya too) who are both just having a blast doing what they love.
I could even go as far as comparing King to Ulrich. (please don't start an argument about THAT band) I mean, King is far more talented, but he seems just as money-hungry and wants just as much popularity.
I don't think we'd ever in our lifetimes catch Jeff appearing in a 10-second solo clip (which by the way SUCKED FUCKING CUNT ASS) for some pop-punk band that's barely out of their teens. And by the way, Jeff also wrote most of "Diabolus in Musica" and personally i think that album rules. King wrote most of GHUA and it's nu-metal trash.
I'm a huge Slayer fan. I've followed them since i was 14 years old, i have bought every studio album except the punk-one (for obvious reasons). GHUA was a big disappointment, and since it's release i've been weary of new things Slayer. This shoe is another point which i view as the "Downfall of Slayer". It's a point in life i never wanted to witness, and hopefully they can redeem themselves with a brilliant release (which will hopefully be written by Jeff)....otherwise we will inevitably face Slayer as sell-outs.
I don't think they are just yet.....but if things continue the way they have for the past 2 years, then it will come.
x2xAtreyux2x
2004-01-02, 01:24
I am from the future to bring you a prophecy of what is soon to come. Soon, in this very forum, ex-punk rock kids will come here saying "Hey guys, what's going on? I just bought me a pair of these killer shoes with some bands name on them. Oh yeah, they had this link on them too. You guys like Rancid?"
But seriously, I think Slayer should call it quits. I have a feeling they'll pull a Metallica :bawling:
x2xAtreyux2x
2004-01-02, 01:36
Originally posted by Father Death
you'll get some fuck come up to you "yeah slayer, they ruuule, fuckign awesome, metal rules!!" then you ask what else they listen to and its Sum 41 and Linkin Park and nothing metal...
Holy shit that happened to me the other day
Stuff is Great
2004-01-02, 06:16
Slayer have been around for a long time & the name of metal has been tainted by new school homobands. It was only a matter of time until a marketing agent sunk his teeth into such a classic musical behemoth.
Their not total cunts, they're just getting old & starting to think about how their going to pay for whiplash treatment throughout their twilight years. They may be Slayer, but they're still humans & they can't go on forever.
Blame Vans & the inhuman pipe-weasel that sold them this shitty idea in the first place, THEN blame Slayer.
PS. Those shoes really are fucking ugly.
Originally posted by memnoch
Before i knew shit about anything metal-related, when i first heard Slayer, Jeff immediately became my guitar-God. I didn't have any knowledge of their history, or who wrote which song.......but Jeff just looked way "cooler".
When i see king in videos, whether it's Raining Blood/Black Magic from the early 90's, or just recently at a show, he gives me a "show off-y" vibe. He seems to want to look the angriest, evil-est guy out there. While on the other hand, i look over at Jeff (and Araya too) who are both just having a blast doing what they love.
I could even go as far as comparing King to Ulrich. (please don't start an argument about THAT band) I mean, King is far more talented, but he seems just as money-hungry and wants just as much popularity.
I don't think we'd ever in our lifetimes catch Jeff appearing in a 10-second solo clip (which by the way SUCKED FUCKING CUNT ASS) for some pop-punk band that's barely out of their teens. And by the way, Jeff also wrote most of "Diabolus in Musica" and personally i think that album rules. King wrote most of GHUA and it's nu-metal trash.
I'm a huge Slayer fan. I've followed them since i was 14 years old, i have bought every studio album except the punk-one (for obvious reasons). GHUA was a big disappointment, and since it's release i've been weary of new things Slayer. This shoe is another point which i view as the "Downfall of Slayer". It's a point in life i never wanted to witness, and hopefully they can redeem themselves with a brilliant release (which will hopefully be written by Jeff)....otherwise we will inevitably face Slayer as sell-outs.
I don't think they are just yet.....but if things continue the way they have for the past 2 years, then it will come.
Exactly, like in that lame Sum 41 video, He coems out and everyones like OMFG!!! HES BADASS!! and hes hailed as a king (pun intended) just so he can play sum weak 5 sec solo. HIS FUCKIN ENTRANCE IS LONGER THAN THE SOLO! As for GHUA it was a nice angry album i guess, but there was NO technicality and the satanic imagry and lyrics (sung by a christian i might add) was a lame ass atempt to impress rebelious 14 year olds that also like to listen to sum41. But this new record should be better, DAVES BACK!
Yes King is much more technicaly adavnced than Jeff and is more 'professional' live in that he nails everything perfect where Jeff usualy messes up a solo or two (drinky drinky?). But Jeff is a majorly better songwriter.
FearFrost
2004-01-02, 13:16
Originally posted by BLS
DAVES BACK!
And where did he leave off with them? Seasons, so if there is hope he might be the one to say "look after I left not much happened, and live all we play is the older stuff, so why not do the same shit we did years ago than down tune and play "NU" metalish stuff" (when I saw them live all that they played that was new was the first 2 songs off GHUA).
And after what Memnoch said about Jeff i'm glad I got Jeff's guitar pick than Kings.
I also head about the Kerry King clothing line and I thought it was stupid because to me, his fashion sense is awful. I mean, he's in a fucking thrash metal band and wear stupid ass jersies and a pair of glasses trying to be like Heavy D. And when you look at Jeff, his fashion sense is all thrash, I have never seen him wearing those dumbass basketball jersies, hes always keeping it thrash-like.
And about the new upcoming album, I can't wait! But I do have some exceptions. If I hear a sample of one song from the new album and if it sucks, I'll never buy it.
Kerry King sucks, period.
Jeff is a much cooler guys and obviously the mastermind.. plus King's solo's sound like he's having a seizure.
I dunno, the whole band is fine with me except Kerry, I saw them live and it was all good (especially Araya, what a frontman) but damn, Kerry is just a big showoff.
sure he can play and all...but I think it went to his head
brainsforbreakfast
2004-01-02, 15:26
their already a bit comercial in that sense...
if this continues...lol...i can just see it:
slim with slayer: loosing weight with your favourite metal icons
guitar_demon
2004-01-02, 17:53
the fast and easy headbanging approach to losing weight:D
FearFrost
2004-01-02, 20:34
Reading this thread over again, I noticed that no one has said shit about King being in the Bestie Boys "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" Video (he does the solo for both the vid, and on the cd... If you don’t believe me then get the cd, and look at the "Special Thanks" thing, or download the vid off Kazaa). That WAS the first video he was on that played on MTV (or whatever shitty music station), but most of the stuff people are saying is that he "sold out" being on Sum 41's video.
Father Death
2004-01-02, 22:17
Well if he was on the Beasties album, then i guess its just King doing his own thing...and he just continued doing it.
Gigantic Penis
2004-01-03, 00:15
I don't see what the big deal is in King making appearences in videos. It's a chance to meet new people and to possibly add your own cool thing to something.
CannibalXampire
2004-01-03, 09:56
Originally posted by FearFrost
Reading this thread over again, I noticed that no one has said shit about King being in the Bestie Boys "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" Video (he does the solo for both the vid, and on the cd... If you don’t believe me then get the cd, and look at the "Special Thanks" thing, or download the vid off Kazaa). That WAS the first video he was on that played on MTV (or whatever shitty music station), but most of the stuff people are saying is that he "sold out" being on Sum 41's video.
Well, that proves that Slayer is in fact...not into Nazism.
Originally posted by FearFrost
Reading this thread over again, I noticed that no one has said shit about King being in the Bestie Boys "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" Video (he does the solo for both the vid, and on the cd... If you don’t believe me then get the cd, and look at the "Special Thanks" thing, or download the vid off Kazaa). That WAS the first video he was on that played on MTV (or whatever shitty music station), but most of the stuff people are saying is that he "sold out" being on Sum 41's video.
well, I don't care if he appears in videos, but uhm...
Sum 41???
that band is all about happy horse crap and fucking underaged teens, conclusively,
Sum 41 suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks!
ScumSlayer
2004-01-03, 15:07
I agree with most of whats posted on this thread but comeon seriously, do you all really think that the kids who are into linkin park , sum 41 et al are going to be into the tharashy, heavy and fast Slayer? I for one doubt it! Yeh they may see the trainers and think theyre cool but Slayer will never be in the top 10 charts on top of the pops or wotever! So we're not gonna get the big kiddie invasion that ur all fearing because Slayer are never gonna be mainstream even if the last album did have slight "Nu-Metallish tones". Get over it and just enjoy them for what they are which is a GOOD band.
metal=life
2004-01-03, 17:28
old stuff is....new stuff is not worth my money.
Nihilist
2004-01-03, 22:27
Yeah, the shoes suck. Case closed.
Originally posted by CannibalXampire
Well, that proves that Slayer is in fact...not into Nazism.
Jeff is a cellector of Nazi Germany metals and such. And he looks like an Aryan Nation poster boy. There is even a picture of him standing infront of his amp and there is a Nazi flag sitting on top of his amp. I'm not saying Jeff is a Nazi but just because King decides to frolic around is a Jewish rap video doesnt mean Jeff isnt intrested in it.
Acually that was the fight for your right video....
brainsforbreakfast
2004-01-05, 20:04
its impossible for any band that gets as big as slayer to not give into comercialism... come on, they make loads and loads of money... money corupts and makes you want to make more, theire human beings like us (i guess ;) ), not some mystical deities.
If you made lots of money, but you could make more, wouldn't you?
btw, the longer a band is "big", the harder it is not to give in... *cough* 'tallica *cough*
well even if metallica is gonna release a cd with greenday covers it's gonna sell great, consumer power!!
anyone who gives a fuck about metallica, raise you hand!
brainsforbreakfast
2004-01-06, 05:51
heh... their an example of a good metal band that first was all for their fans, and slowly turned "big" and into sellout bitch cunts...
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