I'm bored, so.......

[i_hate_nu_metal]

I was at a dentist's office today and they had CNN or some other news bullshit on. They were talking about this survey that some genius did where they interviewed a bunch of doctors to see how many of them believe in god.
The result was, if I remember correctly, that something like 75% of them believe in God and/or Heaven. Some of the doctors interviewed for this oh so enlightening survey even went on to say that they relied on prayer in the operating room, or something along those lines.
Think about that next time they're putting you to sleep and getting ready to cut you open. :vampire:

Then some fucking doctor said that he was surprised that so many of his colleagues in the scientific community believe in God or whatever.

I guess my point is that this was a really fucking stupid and utterly useless survey. Maybe for their next englightening piece they should do a survey of Congressmen to see how many read the funny papers.

[Transient]

this thread is equally as useless as the survery conducted. more so, because youre raising the people's awareness of such an indeed pointless survey

[i_hate_nu_metal]

this thread is equally as useless as the survery conducted. more so, because youre raising the people's awareness of such an indeed pointless survey

I said I was boreed, okay? That's as legitimate an excuse as any other.

[Bia]

I believe in DOG

[guitar_demon]

i dont think its that pointless. people want to know how many doctors belive in god because doctors and scientists are people who usually belive in what they can see and/or prove in a lab. yet these same people will belive in god something they can never mathmatically punch into a calculator and prove to other people. so people are interested to know how many of these kinds of people belive in some sort of higher being. I have seen more pointless serveys
*cough*opeth survivor thread*cough*

[DEAD]

I remember a survey of scientics showed that around 70% were agnostic.

[Kylito]

I like this this thread idea. Doctors are mostly chumps. They just follow age old procedures and work on the same basic biological machines over and over and over. Veterinarians are more impressive than doctors because they have to deal with multiple bio-machines. Auto mechanics and electronics technicians are far more impressive than doctors because they have to work on a vast array of different machines which are constantly evolving. Electronics and mechanical engineers are FAR more impressive because they design all the machines that doctors rely on to do their jobs. Most doctors nowadays are the equivalent of machine operators. The average machine operator makes 8 to 15 dollars an hour, but doctors make far more simply because they are required to fit into certain social behaviors, they have to deal with malpractice suits, they have to pay off huge loans for overpriced schools, they are subsidized by the insurance industry, and most people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to save the lives of themselves or their loved ones as opposed to saving the television set from an early demise. Doctors are generally dumbasses unless they are performing experimental surgery or doing useful research of their own accord (even most research PhD's are worthless fucks who are tapping into government and charity funds). I would wager that most of the 25% of the non-religious doctors are in research or advanced surgery fields. The 75% would be mostly the family doctor types who have to be religious in order for their dumbass patients to trust them.

[i_hate_nu_metal]

That's a very good argument Kylito.
I am pleasantly surprised by the ammount of intelligent arguments and opinnions I see here. I have to expect I expected a lot more flaming, partially due to my limited recollection of the above mentioned news bradcast.
I just wanna add, while you do make a good point that auto mechanics, for example work on all kinds of different mechanisms that are constantly evolving, consider this: How many mechanics work with the engine running?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the dumbass doctors here. My mother has Rheumatoid Arthritis, and when she first started experiencing discomfort, like any good patient, she went to her family doctor.
This genius, of course, had no idea what was going on, so he/she, I'm not sure what it was, had her do a bunch of stupid useless tests which proved nothing, so she got sent to the eye doctor, and the heart doctor, and the head doctor, and the god knows what the fuck not else doctor, untill someone finally had the groundbreaking idea: "Hey, she's having pain in her wrists, so maybe we ought to have her do some X-Rays and send her to, oh, I don't know, a fucking BONE expert."
God knows how long the fucking circus went on for untill, as I said, she had X-Rays and got sent to a rheumatologist. I remember it like it was yesterday. I'm sitting there with her in that room, waiting for his majesty, the fucking doctor, to valtz in, and bored as I was, I start looking at the pictures on the wall. BAM! Out of nowhere, a picture of RA hits me square in the face. I recalled seeing my mom's X-Rays a while earlier, and I thought there might be some similarities there. I took the X-Rays out of the envelope, compared them to the picture on the wall, and diagnosed my mother with RA. Keep in mind, I'm no doctor, hell, I'm a fucking butcher.
Five minutes later, the good doctor walks in, takes out the X-Rays, looks at 'em and diagnoses my mother with Rheumatoid Arthritis.
And that cost us 20 bucks. Do you see my grief now?

[powersofterror]

I like this this thread idea. Doctors are mostly chumps. They just follow age old procedures and work on the same basic biological machines over and over and over. Veterinarians are more impressive than doctors because they have to deal with multiple bio-machines. Auto mechanics and electronics technicians are far more impressive than doctors because they have to work on a vast array of different machines which are constantly evolving. Electronics and mechanical engineers are FAR more impressive because they design all the machines that doctors rely on to do their jobs. Most doctors nowadays are the equivalent of machine operators. The average machine operator makes 8 to 15 dollars an hour, but doctors make far more simply because they are required to fit into certain social behaviors, they have to deal with malpractice suits, they have to pay off huge loans for overpriced schools, they are subsidized by the insurance industry, and most people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to save the lives of themselves or their loved ones as opposed to saving the television set from an early demise. Doctors are generally dumbasses unless they are performing experimental surgery or doing useful research of their own accord (even most research PhD's are worthless fucks who are tapping into government and charity funds). I would wager that most of the 25% of the non-religious doctors are in research or advanced surgery fields. The 75% would be mostly the family doctor types who have to be religious in order for their dumbass patients to trust them.
You should start re-reading your posts after you type, because this is all crap. You gave reasons, and then backed them up with another point--sounds like a child wrote it. It also sounds like everything that you wrote was pulled out of your ass. Did you even look anything up? I seriously doubt it.

[Kalmahswamp]

I like this this thread idea. Doctors are mostly chumps. They just follow age old procedures and work on the same basic biological machines over and over and over. Veterinarians are more impressive than doctors because they have to deal with multiple bio-machines. Auto mechanics and electronics technicians are far more impressive than doctors because they have to work on a vast array of different machines which are constantly evolving. Electronics and mechanical engineers are FAR more impressive because they design all the machines that doctors rely on to do their jobs. Most doctors nowadays are the equivalent of machine operators. The average machine operator makes 8 to 15 dollars an hour, but doctors make far more simply because they are required to fit into certain social behaviors, they have to deal with malpractice suits, they have to pay off huge loans for overpriced schools, they are subsidized by the insurance industry, and most people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to save the lives of themselves or their loved ones as opposed to saving the television set from an early demise. Doctors are generally dumbasses unless they are performing experimental surgery or doing useful research of their own accord (even most research PhD's are worthless fucks who are tapping into government and charity funds). I would wager that most of the 25% of the non-religious doctors are in research or advanced surgery fields. The 75% would be mostly the family doctor types who have to be religious in order for their dumbass patients to trust them.

This is one of the dumbests posts I've read.

[low-tech]

guy i know from high school became a cardiovascular surgeon, that shit aint no joke, talk about working on the car while the engine is running

[obrien20]

I like this this thread idea. Doctors are mostly chumps. They just follow age old procedures and work on the same basic biological machines over and over and over. Veterinarians are more impressive than doctors because they have to deal with multiple bio-machines. Auto mechanics and electronics technicians are far more impressive than doctors because they have to work on a vast array of different machines which are constantly evolving. Electronics and mechanical engineers are FAR more impressive because they design all the machines that doctors rely on to do their jobs. Most doctors nowadays are the equivalent of machine operators. The average machine operator makes 8 to 15 dollars an hour, but doctors make far more simply because they are required to fit into certain social behaviors, they have to deal with malpractice suits, they have to pay off huge loans for overpriced schools, they are subsidized by the insurance industry, and most people are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to save the lives of themselves or their loved ones as opposed to saving the television set from an early demise. Doctors are generally dumbasses unless they are performing experimental surgery or doing useful research of their own accord (even most research PhD's are worthless fucks who are tapping into government and charity funds). I would wager that most of the 25% of the non-religious doctors are in research or advanced surgery fields. The 75% would be mostly the family doctor types who have to be religious in order for their dumbass patients to trust them.You did brought i great point, then you fucked up with everything you wrote before.

[newHELLonEARTH]

doctors can bite me. unless i'm in need of medican attention that is..

[L,B'XXX]

I think you do right now. WTH is a medican?

I'm glad I wasn't lonely in my response to Kylito. Mine was going to be "bullshit." I think low-tech said it best. And keeping that motor running is also an amazing task to me.

[newHELLonEARTH]

I think you do right now. WTH is a medican?

whoops.. i meant to put medical..im tired

[Transient]

religious doctors arent all bad. i have a jewish back doctor whos the best in the country if you ask me. one time he got me in and out of the office REAL fast because it was passover and he had to be home before sunset!

[Kylito]

You did brought i great point, then you fucked up with everything you wrote before.

How's that exactly?

This is one of the dumbests posts I've read.

You just beat it by a long shot.

You should start re-reading your posts after you type, because this is all crap. You gave reasons, and then backed them up with another point--sounds like a child wrote it. It also sounds like everything that you wrote was pulled out of your ass. Did you even look anything up? I seriously doubt it.

And this guy beat Kalmahswamp. What the fuck child would ever write that? All children worship doctors as being more powerful and knowledgeable than they are and they look up to them. Since you give no specifics for your criticism I assume you just don't understand what I am saying in which case you shouldn't bother with the vague and curt dismissal of it with no useful information of your own to add. My ability to scoff at the average medical hack is well earned and my observations are profound and astute if I do say so my damn self. Look anything up? I've lived all this shit. I don't need to look much up these days because I can write the book on my own. I consider the medical profession to be one of the simplest, most tedious, disgusting, and depressing things out there and the bottom line is that they are paid well for the same reasons plumbers get paid well. Your inability to accept the idea that maybe all is not as society tells you it is will be your mental downfall if you cling to it. I did re-read my post and then once again today and I really have nothing to add or subtract since it is insightful and to the point. I routinely work on live electronics circuits and it is almost always a new journey into uncharted territory with no one to guide you. I do not have thousands of textbooks and websites written about maintenance and repair of my company's propriety equipment. I do not even have anyone to talk to about it since I am the first one in the world to get my hands on it. It is all experimental and once I master a new product I write the book on it myself and pass the proper techniques and tricks on to a lower wage technician or engineer. Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.

Basically, as I stated earlier, doctors are chumps. :smash:

[Zertonshfits]

you shouldnt judge people by their stupid religions... especially if they are going to SAVE YOUR LIFE!!!

[L,B'XXX]

If I had the choice between getting my god darned tv fixed or my mom's knees so she could walk less painfully I'd pitch the tv in the backyard and shoot it with the 9mm.
Yes, technology is great, BUT you better quit your darn inventiveness because part of that is what's making the medical field advance so much. You and Tom Cruise should shack up together.

[far_beyond_sane]

Doctors TEH DUMBZ0R!!1

Doctors are mostly chumps. They just follow age old procedures and work on the same basic biological machines over and over and over.

I'd hate to hear what you thought of business consultants. Or accountants. Or bartenders. Or prostitutes. Or dentists. Or... fuck it. Of course they do the same things over and over again. The same diagnoses, the same kidney transplants, the same neurosurgery, the same cardiac bypasses... all this stuff which is really COMPLICATED. Have you ever watched a lengthy surgical procedure? It's a ballet of offal and knives, and requires a razor-sharp knowledge of the human body, mad skills and the most inhuman ability to concentrate and make decisions on the fly. And it goes on and on and on and on...

One more thing - so your own doctor/s sucks miles of rectum. Great. Bully for you, pigsy. Let's judge the whole medical profession by the shitty standards of people like the previously mentioned MD Bumfuck who doesn't have the presence of mind to take an X-Ray of a sore joint. Y'all move to a country with a first world health system and you'll see a big difference. Don't you know how turdacious the American health care system is?

Sure, there are chumps everywhere, but don't stick your cock out trying to prove that the ones who study their arseholes into putty for nigh 10 years to learn how to MAKE PEOPLE NOT DIE are, on the whole, chumpier than anyone else. That's NOT CL3V3RZ.

[Rapture]

I'd hate to hear what you thought of business consultants. Or accountants. Or bartenders. Or prostitutes. Or dentists. Or... fuck it. Of course they do the same things over and over again. The same diagnoses, the same kidney transplants, the same neurosurgery, the same cardiac bypasses... all this stuff which is really COMPLICATED. Have you ever watched a lengthy surgical procedure? It's a ballet of offal and knives, and requires a razor-sharp knowledge of the human body, mad skills and the most inhuman ability to concentrate and make decisions on the fly. And it goes on and on and on and on...

One more thing - so your own doctor/s sucks miles of rectum. Great. Bully for you, pigsy. Let's judge the whole medical profession by the shitty standards of people like the previously mentioned MD Bumfuck who doesn't have the presence of mind to take an X-Ray of a sore joint. Y'all move to a country with a first world health system and you'll see a big difference. Don't you know how turdacious the American health care system is?

Sure, there are chumps everywhere, but don't stick your cock out trying to prove that the ones who study their arseholes into putty for nigh 10 years to learn how to MAKE PEOPLE NOT DIE are, on the whole, chumpier than anyone else. That's NOT CL3V3RZ.

Death by F_B_S.

[philkilla]

...................owned???

[Bia]

I'm surprised at the comments here.
We're all right partially.
Here's where I stand and am convinced I am correct.

There was a time when Dr.s were caring...helping and compassionate people.
The Oath that made them famous meant something.
NOW...we have several generations of people that dont have that spirit of care and human compassion in them.....instead we have a HUGE amount that were raised....reared and clutivated by their parents to become successful by any means.
ie. Become a doctor or lawyer son...

So...a majority of Dr.s today have little passion for their work and people suffer for that. But people suffering over individual greed is as old as mankind....so I'm not surprised.

[DEAD]

Did the thought ever occur to you that if an electronics repair man messes up, it isnt a big deal? He has all the time in teh world, catalogs full of replacement parts, ect ect. Now when a doctor fucks up a spine surgery, I'm afraid that worse things happen.

[Bia]

Did the thought ever occur to you that if an electronics repair man messes up, it isnt a big deal? He has all the time in teh world, catalogs full of replacement parts, ect ect. Now when a doctor fucks up a spine surgery, I'm afraid that worse things happen.
That is an Excellent point.

[PST 88]

Kylito's got a point, but as far as I can tell he's trying to make the wrong one. He's underpaid. That doesn't mean that doctors are overvalued or incompetent or whatever his other point was. But let's all stop talking and be impressed by his aptitude.

I don't really see why the survey's so useless. It's not exactly the most important topic in the world, but whatever. I'd definitely like the sanity of the person in whose hands my life may be to be clearly outlined; if my doctor believes he has an invisible friend who he talks to and who talks back to him, I damn well want to know.

[Transient]

bia shut the fuck up, the worlds not as grim and evil as you make it out to be. some doctors suck,but i havent ever met any. and i go to tons, trust me. dont be such a cunt and quick to assume everyone out there is money grubbing. they make more money than you, but they work a hell of a lot harder than you do too. besides, if your doctors got a real attitude problem but fixes your shit, what the hell difference does it make?


if a guys out only to make money and doesnt care about your life, but still saves your life, are you any more alive? or are you just a whiney bitch?

[Kylito]

Kylito's got a point, but as far as I can tell he's trying to make the wrong one. He's underpaid. That doesn't mean that doctors are overvalued or incompetent or whatever his other point was. But let's all stop talking and be impressed by his aptitude.
At least one person made a valid point and got two successful rips on me. Good job PST! If you were a doctor you would probably end up in the smaller percentage of impressive ones. :beer:

As for the rest of you, the sweeping generalizations in my first post were just simple occupational trash talk. All the little specifics you've mentioned are obvious to all of us and do not really mean shit in the big picture. I never said doctors were incompetent or that their job is simple, just that I'm not as impressed by them as society in general is. Since no one else has any interesting opinions regarding this thread or has the ability to properly "own" me (i.e. FBS and his loyal troop of mindless asskissers) I will stop instigating.


For those who didn't understand the point I will explain it in simpler terms: A product design engineer is to a family doctor as Led Zeppelin is to a Slipknot cover band.

This post concludes my unexplainable temporary fascination with this forum and I will quietly join MTM in voluntary exile. :D

Peace out to PST 88, Blizzard Beast, Soulinsane, John Mansley, John Holland, Bia, Chris Rezendez, L'Bxxx, Hx5838382020399272, CC, Transient, and whoever else I forgot that came across as intelligent. :beer: :beer: :beer: :lhdevil: :lhdevil: :lhdevil:

[Tulvox]

Tranny has some good points...Most importantly, who cares if they are out for money? They are saving your ass. Religion be damned. Are you really going to care if the doctor operating on you is religious if you need to be operated on in the first place?

[Transient]

see ya kylito

if i had the choice between a religion free facility that had a B rating and a christian facility that had a rating of A i would chose the christian facility and i would lay odds that everyone here would too. its called pragmatism. you may say you wouldnt now, but when your ass is on the line literally your morals have a tendency to go out the window

[Bia]

bia shut the fuck up, the worlds not as grim and evil as you make it out to be. some doctors suck,but i havent ever met any. and i go to tons, trust me. dont be such a cunt and quick to assume everyone out there is money grubbing. they make more money than you, but they work a hell of a lot harder than you do too. besides, if your doctors got a real attitude problem but fixes your shit, what the hell difference does it make?


if a guys out only to make money and doesnt care about your life, but still saves your life, are you any more alive? or are you just a whiney bitch?
Damn...you could have said all that without the insults.....no?

[Transient]

the medical industry gets me very riled up

excuse me.

[Amon rA]

since when has a religious belief made somebody stupid?

why does a doctor being christian make him incompetant?

yes there are religous nutcases out there who dont seek medical help in the belief that their god will save them, but these people having shunned medical care, probably won't become doctors.

i have heard, in an unrelated survey, that 75% of america considers itself christian. why should doctors not have an equal share in that?

i seriously doubt anyone here has been to a doctor who said
"ok, heres how im going to help your headaches: blessed father who art in heaven..."
or "hey, you know why your arm is broken? god is displeased with you. you should believe in him more"

[Transient]

i would almost like to go to a christian science meeting and have a chat with them. thats some hardcore faith, if your say leg bone is sticking out of your skin and you say "jesus will take care of me". talk about just rolling over

[Bia]

the medical industry gets me very riled up
excuse me.

Cool.
And to any & all I dont have or care for an opinion on any Dr.s religion or lack of.
I just want them to really care about life before dollars.

[Transient]

the end result is the same. maybe they wont work as hard, thats all

[PST 88]

I don't actually care about the theism of a doctor. I just like being all evil and anti-Christian when I'm on the interweb and can impress people with my hatred for organized religion, but in real life I don't really pay any attention to people's personal beliefs until they cease to be strictly personal. My whole internet existence is a lie.

Most doctors and med students I've known personally are weird as hell regardless of whether or not they believe in God. Bunch of fuckin' oddballs, but mostly competent. I'm kinda glad I'll never have to go to any of them, though, just because it's easier to think of doctors as virtually inhuman rather than just another group of weird people.

If I were a doctor I'd probably suck, but thanks. Cheers and have fun in the real world. I'd probably leave again myself if I actually knew the city I'm living in now better. Or not. Whatever.

Oh, and the money focused ones will work just as hard, if only because a fuck up causes a malpractice suit, which costs a shitload of money. We should really have free health care, but that's a whole different story.

[Bia]

My whole internet existence is a lie.
As are most including mine.

We should really have free health care, but that's a whole different story.
Yep

[powersofterror]

heh, my internet existence is exactly what you'd see if you met me face to face.

.... My ability to scoff at the average medical hack is well earned and my observations are profound and astute if I do say so my damn self.
Oh.....my....fucking.........god...... :p That's fucking ridiculous.

Look anything up? I've lived all this shit. I don't need to look much up these days because I can write the book on my own. I consider the medical profession to be one of the simplest, most tedious, disgusting, and depressing things out there and the bottom line is that they are paid well for the same reasons plumbers get paid well...
Dude, fucking shit, you're not old enough to criticize doctors in general.

[DEAD]

Kylito, you make me laugh.

Untill you go through med school and become sucessfull at being a doctor, I don't think you really ahve any sort of right to be throwing around terms liek "medical hack".

Also, in the middle of a surgery doctors don't get a chance to take a break and take a look at a diagram or an instruction manual or a schemetic.

[Transient]

the amount of pressure a doctor experiences is unimaginable. its not taxi driving here, when you are a spine doctor youre playing with somebodys future

[i_hate_nu_metal]

The reason why I thought that survey was stupid and pointless is not because I believe that doctors should not be religious. Whcih I don't.
My whole point is, who the fuck cares? I don't care if that son of a bitch has got crucifixes all over the damn place, they could be pentagrams for all I care, if he knows what the fuck he's doing, that's all I ever ask for.
I just don't see why anybody would waste time and money to find out how many doctors believe in god.
It's like someone doing a survey to see hwo many people on the Metal Tabs forum own a fucking iPod. That would actually make more sense to me.
Doctors have every right to be religious, just like the rest of us. Religion is comforting. That's why people turn to it. Chances are, if you have half a brain you won't think that God will intervene and all of a sudden replace the roof on your house, change the oil in your car, pay off your credit card bills, and help you get laid. But hey, it wouldn't hurt. Saying a prayer only takes a few moments and doesn't hurt,so logically thinking, since nothing bad will come out of it, there's always a chance that something good might. We don't know for a fact that there is no God, the chance always exists.
If you believe that there is a God in heaven, and you like him to be on your side, than more power to you. I just don't see why we need a fucking survey to show us that. I think it's plain common sense that some doctors will be religious. Everyone is, in one way or another. Therefore, my point, survey useless.

[Transient]

good, seems like you came down on most of our sides too. who cares!

[L,B'XXX]

I heard several years ago about a grant that was given to see how much poetry was written on cows. Now THAT is dumb. And I wondered if it meant written with them as a topic or actually written on the cows. There's probably some nut writing right on one somewhere.
I can see doing the religious survey. It might make people who are skeptics take a little more interest in divine intervention and give them more hope than if they felt there was no higher power. Even something like AA doesn't specifically say God, but a power greater than yourself to use to focus. Since doctors are generally respected it's probably why they did it.
If it was greeters at Walmart that were believers, I could care less, and that would be a big waste.