biggest influences

[metalpro]

i think this is a big deal when it comes to guitar playing. i was wondering who ur main influences are when it comes to ur own guitar playing, and why they are.

mine are:

randy rhodes: just listen to all the songs and solos he made. and how melodic all his songs are.

dimebag darrell: awesome catchy shredding.

alexi laiho: fuckin awesome at shredding, and has melody on alot of his solos.

kirk hammet: metallica is the first metal band ive ever listened to, so it was hard as fuck to learn the solos.

i still havent heard many bands so i dont know any other bands then what i listed.

[SuNioj0369]

It's hard to say as whenever I listen to something I automatically absorb some aspect of the song and something reminiscent of the song will pop up in my writing. Other than that I'd have to say the early stuff done by the big 4 of thrash, Cannibal Corpse and Sepultura were my initial influences and still are today to a somewhat lesser degree.

[guitar_demon]

it really depends on what kind of song im trying to write i guess but times change and so do tastes back when i first started i was defintially influenced by kirk hammet but not so much anymore
all time influences thouh

chuck schuldiner
trey azagthoth
randy
jason becker

[metalpro]

yeah i know what u mean, i usually try and fit in all of them, but u cant force what u want or ull get too pissed.

[MetalThrashingMad]

The most inspiring for me was definately Mustaine, but the ones I mimmick the most are Frank Blackfire (Sodom) and Mille Petrozza.

[Necro_Butcher]

Trey
John Gallager
local band gruesome feast
Necrophagist
Terrance from suffo

[corroded]

dave murray - soloing
chuck schuldiner - insanity of riffs
amott brothers - feel !!!!!

[Chris Rezendes]

My writing is influenced mostly by thrash and death bands. Slayer, Suffocation, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Dark Angel, Deicide, Forbidden, etc. are the most influential. Something that might be a bit odd is that many of the bands that get heavy rotation on my CD player, like Megadeth, Iron Maiden, Necrophagist, Metal Church, Emperor, Fates Warning, etc. have little to no influence on my writing.

[Infinity]

T.Van Dono - Awesome riffer.
Brian O'blivion - Great bass.
Trey Azagthoth on Heretic - I don't care what anyone says I loved a hell of alot of riffs on that cd.

ahhh, there should be a thread "Who do you admire/ respect" that would be cool.

[Undying_Hatred]

Hanneman. Watch the war ensamble video, hes the shit.
Jesper Stromblad. December Flower solo, Enough said.

[Ian]

Guitar = Zakk Wylde and Randy Rhodes

Musically = Zakk Wylde (BLS) and Classical symphony shit (Beethoven, ext.)

[Disincarnate]

Guitarists
dimebag darrell
chuck schuldiner
alexi lahio
micheal angelo batio
Bassists
Steve DiGiorgio
sean malone
eric lanlois
alex webster

[Nihilist]

Diego Sanchez
Matt Soleto
Erik Lindmark
Trey Azagthoth
Jeff Hanneman
Erik Rutan

And I hate to say it.. Kirk Hammett.

[johnmansley]

Hammet's soloing on And Justice For All is awesome. It eclipses everything he'd done before and everything he's done since.

[Nihilist]

Yip. That is the album that made me decide I wanted to play guitar. I was maybe, 8 at the time. First thing I attempted to play was Dyers Eve. Oh boy..

[johnmansley]

Start with something easy, why don't you! I learnt how to play Dyer's Eve (badly) about 3 or 4 years ago. I keep meaning to re-learn it now that I'm much improved but I'm never in standard tuning. I guess it'll sound funny in B! Although CC did No Remorse in Bb and it sounded cool...

Anyway, I can't remember the specific album that influenced me to learn guitar because ever since I started listening to rock and metal I wanted to be able to do what the bands were doing.

I originally wanted to learn drums after hearing Use Your Illusion II, but my old folks persuaded me out of getting drums. I always loved the intro to Sweet Child O' Mine so I guess that was the moment that made me pick up the guitar. Slash was awesome in GNR and was my role model in those early years.

Since then my role models have progressed through the likes of Kirk Hammet, Jeff Hanneman, Dino Cazares, Trey Azagthoth, Karl Sanders, Dallas Toler-Wade and of late, Jon Lavasseur and Terrence Hobbs.

[Nihilist]

Hahaha, yes. It was a shocking song to start off with. I picked up a few Metallica tab books when I first started, I played those day in, day out. I was never really confident with attempting to play the solos so I skipped those until I had improved. I think it is safe to say I can play nearly every Metallica song off-by-heart.

I forgot Karl, and Dallas. The sweeping that Dallas does is just mind-blowing.

[johnmansley]

Dallas is amazingly talented - I've heard that he's as good a drummer as he is a guitarist, too. He's playing drums for some other band at the moment, can't remember their name.

Can you play St. Anger, Jarrod? :D

[Nihilist]

You caught me out there! I don't even own that album. I've heard 2 tracks. I really don't consider that a Metallica album. (Nice save there, eh? :P)

I'd love to hear Dallas' other band. If you remember it, tell me!

3000th post!

[johnmansley]

I don't think anybody considers that record to be a Metallica album - Bob Rock should be taken out back and shot.

Anyway, I think the band that Dallas is drumming for is Lecherous Nocturne.

[Nihilist]

REALLY?! I own their demo! I'll have to give that disc a spin later.

We're getting off topic, but I'm a mod. I grant us permission. Hear me roar.

[johnmansley]

Hahahaha! If I was a drummer, Dallas would be one of my influences though...

[guitar_demon]

i forgot the guy from king diamond andy la rocque the lyrics and stuff may be kinda annoyong but there was always great guitar work

[corroded]

Jesper Stromblad. December Flower solo, Enough said.
i always thought glenn ljungstrom played that solo...thats GOT to be my all time favourite solo !!!

[The Doctor]

Dimebag
Jimmy Hendrix
Ryan Parry

[metalpro]

Hammet's soloing on And Justice For All is awesome. It eclipses everything he'd done before and everything he's done since.

i like ride the lightning and kill em all though, the soloing is pretty good in those, mostly in ride though.

[johnmansley]

Most of his Kill 'Em All solos are just running up and down the pentatonic scales as fast as he can, however his solos in The Four Horsemen hinted at what was to follow on subsequent albums. Ride had good solos, Master had excellent solos, but Justice had awesome, heartfelt, composed solos. Everything he's done after that was derivative blues-based bollocks.

[Chris Rezendes]

Yip. That is the album that made me decide I wanted to play guitar. I was maybe, 8 at the time. First thing I attempted to play was Dyers Eve. Oh boy..

The first songs I learned were all Metallica songs. I can't remember the exact song, but it was either "The Unforgiven" or "Seek and Destroy". Dyers Eve seems like such an easy song now, but boy when I was 14... Damn! I still can't really play "To Live is to Die" that well, which is a shame, it's by far the best song on the album.

[diablero]

As I started with Metallica naturaly it was Jamz Hetfield - this man used to be one of the best rythm players (while they were into metal). On the other side Kirk made quite a definition of standard metal solo (although he used many licks he learned from Satriani).
Pantera's Dime - a great influence, very melodic & catchy, intersting scales and amasing solo work - GOD!!
Chuck Schuldiner - very inteligent using of music threory.....the man had amasing feel for emotions!!! Made the most beautifull songs with so much balls - lifetime respect! (R.I.P.)
Robert Vigna (Immolation) - Master of dark and evil riffing, also has extremely emotional attitude....everything in Immolation is about mood, I meen if you close your eyes you can feel the gates of Hell opening :angry:

these people learned me that music comes from the heart

[metalpro]

when i started playing all i ever played was metallica, the first song i learned was nothing else matters, i think. then i started following kirks guitar parts, and eventually started trying to learn the solos, i dont know what ones i know, i know too many songs from them, but i dont know what ones i can play, until someone asks if i can.

[guitar_demon]

Chuck Schuldiner - very inteligent using of music threory.....

the ironic thing is he never botherd to learn theory, he said it bored him to death

[Nihilist]

The first songs I learned were all Metallica songs. I can't remember the exact song, but it was either "The Unforgiven" or "Seek and Destroy". Dyers Eve seems like such an easy song now, but boy when I was 14... Damn! I still can't really play "To Live is to Die" that well, which is a shame, it's by far the best song on the album.
Haha, yes. Dyers Eve was a monster of an obstacle to overcome when I was just starting. I never really got into the Black Album stuff.

To Live is to Die is a great song. Really fun to play, too.

[Nothingface4TehWin]

Hahaha, yes. It was a shocking song to start off with. I picked up a few Metallica tab books when I first started, I played those day in, day out. I was never really confident with attempting to play the solos so I skipped those until I had improved. I think it is safe to say I can play nearly every Metallica song off-by-heart.

I forgot Karl, and Dallas. The sweeping that Dallas does is just mind-blowing.
by all do you mean covers too?
well my biggest influence was jimmy page, though more recent influences are hammett and dimebag.

[MachinE_Death]

i always thought karl sanders did all the sweeps in nile but still waiting to see them live. dyers eve riffs i say are harder than the solo ride the lightning has a fun solo to play

[guitar_demon]

is that guys name really karl sanders or is that just some joke? ( the KFC guy is also named carl sanders)

[ShredIsNotDead]

I thought it was colonel sanders...

or was his name carl?

[Dyvim Tvar]

is that guys name really karl sanders or is that just some joke? ( the KFC guy is also named carl sanders)

*Disbeleiving face* I feel sick, please, take him away! ;)

[guitar_demon]

I thought it was colonel sanders...

or was his name carl?
its both, his name is carl but everyone calls him colonel

[MetalThrashingMad]

And I hate to say it.. Kirk Hammett.
Ha, Transient is a huge fan as well.

[Transient]

damn straight! hes got the best sense of melody out of any of the thrashers. his solos rule.

[Papalazarou 666]

i always thought glenn ljungstrom played that solo...thats GOT to be my all time favourite solo !!!


Frederik Johansson from Dark Tranquillity plays that solo (see the Jester Race booklett).

[Knight]

Chuck Schuldiner
John Petrucci
Yngwie Malmsteen
Kirk Hammet

[VeXxX]

Yngwie Malmsteen
Alexi Laiho
Dimebag D.
Mick Thompson and Jim Root
Zakk Wylde
Trey A.

[Exploding Lobster]

Dimebag Darrell, sad to say Kirk Hammett
Jimmy Page
Tony Iommi
Alex Liveston
among others

[davie_gravy]

Dimebag Darrell - Who else can make the monkey in the blender sound

Zakk Wylde - Master of artificial harmonics

Kirk Hammett - Arpeggio god; He's my all time favorite

Jimmy Page - See The Song Remains The Same Vid

Randy Rhoads - Plays scales like Mozart or something...

[johnmansley]

Kirk Hammett - Arpeggio god

Are you serious?

[corroded]

kirk hammett - more like 15p12 17p12 15p12...well if thats what you call arpeggios, then yeah he's the gawd !!! \m/

[JacksonMan007]

Alexi Laiho
Jason Becker
Michal Angelo Batio

[metalpro]

dammit, i really suck at guitar to all these ppl that were naming, lol.

[johnmansley]

Hey, don't get downhearted - they're only naming their influences, not their level of playing ability. OK, some of the guys here can shred but most people will say stuff like, "Michael Angelo Batio influenced me to take up the guitar and one day I want to be able to play like him". That kind of stuff, if you catch my drift.

[metalpro]

lol, i know what u mean. im not gettin downhearted though, i just say i suck compared to them, knowing in my own mind ill be as good or close to being as good as them. thanks though.

[Dissection]

Haughm and Anderson from Agalloch
Chuck Schuldiner

[DamageFan6984]

GUITARISTS:
DIMEBAG-- THE MAN :drunk:
YNGWIE MALMSTEEN
STEVE VAI
ZAKK WYLDE
DAVE MUSTAINE
GREG TRIBBET

[SuNioj0369]

I have to say my initial rythym playing influence was James Hetfield...say what you will, but I think if it weren't for the first four Metallica albums, I be saying that my influences were (insert lame nu-metal guitarist here) at a thread at nu-metal.cum (no that's not a real site).

[LostAtLakeBodom]

Hetfield's my man, too! When it comes to soloing, there's influences galore, but my rhytm playing, too, is hugely influenced by James's work on the early Metallica records. Shit, I can hardly play any pop songs because I have this tendency to play just muted powerchords ... but it doesn't matter. I still think Hetfield is the best rhytm guitarist, ever, when it comes down to kind of music he plays. It's not the notes, it's his feel. Every motherfucker thinks he can play Enter Sandman or Sad but true ...and they all sound like garbage! It's because Hetfield has this amazing feel, amazing timing ... he creates such a grooves with his playing, that he's definitely the man! :D

[Myrmidonlord666]

My personal influences

Mille Petrozza (especially on Pleasure to Kill my first metal album!!!!!)
Mike Torraro
Chuck Schuldiner
Barry Thompson and Gaven Ward
Patrick Mammeli and Patrick Uterwijck
James Murphy
Luc Lemay
Robert Vigna
My Guitar teacher

\m/ Only Death is real :flame: :uzi: :flame: :uzi:

[johnmansley]

What did you just say? Only death is real? In the interests of causality, I have to disagree with you. In order for death to be real, surely life itself has to be real - otherwise how can reality transpire from an imagined state of existence?

[DeathCS]

There you go again John, being smart and all.

My influences
Jack Owen (old)
Pat O'brien
Chuck Schuldiner
Michael Angelo Batio
Randy Rhoads
Various others.

[methodlessman]

What did you just say? Only death is real? In the interests of causality, I have to disagree with you. In order for death to be real, surely life itself has to be real - otherwise how can reality transpire from an imagined state of existence?
Owned


Anyway, I am influenced by the newer death bands. My biggest would be Severed Savior, Gorgasm, and Decapitated. :uzi:

[Credit to Dementia]

Rhythm -
James Hetfield
Scott Ian
Max Cavalera
Tony Iommi
Zakk Wylde
Hanneman/King

Also, to a lesser extent, or at least of later or secondary influence: Murrary and Smith, Owen and O'Brien, Thordendal and Hagstrom, Punch/Stout and Patton, Mustaine, Azagthoth, Rutan, Keenan, Windstein, Dimebag, etc.

It's been a few years since I wrote any leads and even longer since I recorded those I wrote, so I can't precisely recollect who strongly influenced me at that time. However, I have a few recordings from four or so years back, and through the muddy tone I detect the following obvious influences:
Kirk Hammett
Randy Rhoads
Dimebag Darrell
Hanneman/King
Zakk Wylde
Dave Murray
Angus Young (one lick's almost straight out of the intro to Thunderstruck. I was a sneaky little thief)

Actually, I was better and less derivative than I would have thought. Weird. Not that I was good and original, just more so than I figured I was back then. If I had to guess who'd be strong influences if I was to sit down and write solos now, I'd figure on the following: Randy Rhoads, Hanneman and King, Chuck Schuldinger, Trey Azagthoth, Murray and Smith, and some others. But that's pure guesswork. I might just straight suck. I doubt it, but I might.

Oh, and: shocking: Schrodinger's cat bringing up issues of life and death. Completely out of character.

[johnmansley]

It is a little out of character actually - usually the philosophy gets left to Darko! I just despise these supposedly 'cool' statements that people always use. They are, in fact, just meaningless twaddle and that was what I was attempting to expose. Oh well.

Oh by the way, I agree with the guy who mentioned Severed Savior - they're truly excellent.

-Schrodinger's (alive) cat

[Credit to Dementia]

Maybe out of character for you, but as for the cat, I'd assume that, if it got a chance to come out of the black box and existed, it might bring up a few issues regarding life and death, or living and dying, or whatever you like. Unless I'm thinking of another cat.

As for you, keep fighting meaningless twaddle. At least that way you can die knowing you stood for something: meaningful non-twaddle.

[johnmansley]

but as for the cat, I'd assume that, if it got a chance to come out of the black box and existed, it might bring up a few issues regarding life and death, or living and dying, or whatever you like.

It already exists in a state of Quantum Superposition, ie, it's neither alive nor dead. Of course, the cat will either be alive or dead, but according to Quantum theory, the cat 'makes a decision' as to whether it is alive or dead at the moment we open the box. We can work out the relative probabilities of the two possible outcomes using statistical methods devised during the formulation of Quantum Mechanics.

Either way, both life and death are real. Unless we live in the matrix...

[Aside: it's statistically more likely that we are a computer simulation than it is that we are real. This simulation theory would explain why it is not possible for an object to be reduced in size further than Planck's Length - about 10^-35 metres.]

[Credit to Dementia]

Yep, that's the cat I was thinking of. It's nice when the half-remembered bits of mathematical and scientific knowledge I would have no business knowing if it weren't for good people like Thomas Pynchon and Umberto Eco - as well as the occasional higher level math/physics student friend who chooses me as the receptacle for some of the angst and worry built up by going through life taking things much too seriously and suddenly spending a month bashing his head against Godel's theorem or certain aspects of the Theory of Uncertainty - or at least I believe that's the one, but it may be some other; it involved, or so I seem to remember, the way in which object A could affect the seemingly unrelated object B, regardless of distance, with A's movement causing B to also move. Niels Bohr was involved somewhere. Now that I think about it, I'm fairly certain I got the name wrong - and seeing the worldview he'd invested so much in come crumbling down like Jimi's castles made of sand (see how I tied back to the influences?) - come up right, rather than bizarrely transposed into unrecognizable formulae that would delight a dadaist.

Now, would you look at that sentence? More frames than the Symposium and it still came out all right. Beat that, limpid simplicity and easy reading!

Oh, and to keep on topic: CANNIBALCORPSE, how is it you like what I'd assume is only old Jack Owen and then Pat O'Brien? Something about that doesn't sit quite right, unless it's just simply that you think Owen's been slipping but fortnately Pat's been around to pull the slack taut. And if that's the case, then this addition was unnecessary, but it stopped the thread from completely leaving the topic.

[philkilla]

Oh ddamn....thats a tough one

[philkilla]

Fredrik Thorendal and Marten Hagstrom
Pat O' Brien and Jack Owen
Dime
Zakk and the E.T.
Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield
Stephen Carpenter
Head and Munky...(ummm)
Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman
Dino Cazarez
Max Cavalera
Trey Azagthoth
...thats all for now

[DeathCS]

Oh, and to keep on topic: CANNIBALCORPSE, how is it you like what I'd assume is only old Jack Owen and then Pat O'Brien? Something about that doesn't sit quite right, unless it's just simply that you think Owen's been slipping but fortnately Pat's been around to pull the slack taut. And if that's the case, then this addition was unnecessary, but it stopped the thread from completely leaving the topic.
Old Jack Owen stuff is really awesome. Awesome riffs and solos. Not his riffs and solos are pretty mediocre. Pat O' Brien is what makes newer CC good. Watch the DVD of the making of the Wretched spawn when Pat O' Brien is playing Frantic Disembowelment. Damn. Plus, Pat O' Brien's newest custom bc rich is fucking awesome.

Since I like older Cannibal Corpse more, Jack Owen is my favorite of the two.

[Credit to Dementia]

Yeah, Pat really did bring some new life to the band. Anyway, makes sense.

[johnmansley]

Yep, that's the cat I was thinking of. It's nice when the half-remembered bits of mathematical and scientific knowledge I would have no business knowing if it weren't for good people like Thomas Pynchon and Umberto Eco - as well as the occasional higher level math/physics student friend who chooses me as the receptacle for some of the angst and worry built up by going through life taking things much too seriously and suddenly spending a month bashing his head against Godel's theorem or certain aspects of the Theory of Uncertainty - or at least I believe that's the one, but it may be some other; it involved, or so I seem to remember, the way in which object A could affect the seemingly unrelated object B, regardless of distance, with A's movement causing B to also move. Niels Bohr was involved somewhere.

You recall correctly, sir. Niels Bohr challenged Einstein's stipulation that nothing can travel faster than light using two far removed electrons whose 'spin' depended on that of the other. When one electron's spin is measured, the other electron immediately takes the opposite value, regardless of it's seperation.

However, this is only information transfer and not the transfer of a physical quantity - in order for us to find out whether the other electron possesses opposite spin (by virtue of communication between scientists at opposite ends of the experiment), we are limited by the speed of light, hence Einstein's postulate holds.

In keeping with the thread title, my academic life has been heavily influenced by physicists and mathematicians (Einstein, Dirac, Schrodinger, Newton, etc).

[DeathCS]

Question, is everyone in england as smart as your, or is John just special?

[johnmansley]

I don't believe that I'm particularly smart, anything that I've achieved has been through hard work rather than an excess of intelligence. It also helps to be interested by it - it sticks in your mind more readily. Besides, anyone who studied (basic) Quantum Mechanics at university would (and more importantly should) be able to reproduce that spiel, irregardless of what grade they achieved. Maybe even a passing interest in QM through the assimilation of information in science magazines would also be sufficient.

[Credit to Dementia]

I don't believe that I'm particularly smart, anything that I've achieved has been through hard work rather than an excess of intelligence. It also helps to be interested by it - it sticks in your mind more readily. Besides, anyone who studied (basic) Quantum Mechanics at university would (and more importantly should) be able to reproduce that spiel, irregardless of what grade they achieved. Maybe even a passing interest in QM through the assimilation of information in science magazines would also be sufficient.

He says that, but my friend who was so worried by the theory John just explained didn't, as far as I can recall, mention - or simply didn't care about - the way in which Einstein's postulate still held. He was too busy freaking out about the possible implications - specifically, how much he hoped it didn't mean the notion of the aether had something to it. But, then again, my friend wasn't English.

And I've run into English people dumber than John. They were called NEDs. Okay, now that I look at it, that's much more unflatteringly phrased than I'd intended.

[johnmansley]

He says that, but my friend who was so worried by the theory John just explained didn't, as far as I can recall, mention - or simply didn't care about - the way in which Einstein's postulate still held. He was too busy freaking out about the possible implications - specifically, how much he hoped it didn't mean the notion of the aether had something to it. But, then again, my friend wasn't English.

And I've run into English people dumber than John. They were called NEDs. Okay, now that I look at it, that's much more unflatteringly phrased than I'd intended.

It's funny that you mention 'neds' (or scallies as they're known in Liverpool) as they inadvertantly influence me every day. They influence me to not be like them and to be proud of the music I like no matter how many snide looks or derogatory comments they make.

PS: Your friend doesn't (or didn't) need to worry about the Ether at all - it was discarded as a theory with the advent of Special Relativity in 1905!

[Credit to Dementia]

He knew it had been discarded - that's why it worried him - he just went to a Jesuit university. I don't run into him anymore though, so he may have had everything figured out by now.

We've got our own version of neds, but I don't really run into them very often. I do listen to my music proudly, though, everywhere, despite what can come of it. Though I don't understand precisely why something should come of it.