Screaming/Growling Styles

[lamb_of_god]

I don't know if this goes here or not, but does anyone have advice on screaming or growling good for metal? I had a growl so good one day my singer asked me to back him up with vocals, but the next day it became a belch. :D

If anyone has any advice, please post it. :beer:

[dying-oath]

I don't know if this goes here or not, but does anyone have advice on screaming or growling good for metal? I had a growl so good one day my singer asked me to back him up with vocals, but the next day it became a belch. :D

If anyone has any advice, please post it. :beer:

it's all in the back of your throat, and you've got to put all you've got into it, or it'll sould like you're a pusy with no air.

[lamb_of_god]

You mean for growling? What about straight screaming? They're realy different. I'm goin for a mix between Lamb of God and The Black Dahlia Murder.

[dying-oath]

never heard them, but for growling, it's the back of the throat, for straight out screaming, you close off your throat and force air through it... it's difficult, and difficult to explain.....hope this helped

[Transient]

id like to know how to do it too. take air from the base of your lungs/diaphragm


move your lips to enunciate...kind of purse them for a gorguts style sound

[L,B'XXX]

I just heard on vh-1 that a lot of stars have given up milk products so they'll have clearer voices. So I'd say the opposite may be truefor growling . But make sure you don't hurt your vocal chords. Research first.

To scream properly you have to be a mother. I know. I'm a mother. I have lungs that go on forever.

[brainsforbreakfast]

Yes, milk products help. Especialy yoghurt, lots of it.
Also, you know how to clear your throut? Grunting is a bit like that "ach-uhm" in your the back of your throut. Try it, and you'll get what I mean.

[lamb_of_god]

DAMN! I didn't expect this much. My growl is back to how it was that one magical day, thanks to your advice. My scream sounds more like a yell (kinda like Every Time I Die but lower). This has all been great and i'm eternally thankful for this. :love: :beer:

[BeastOfCarrion]

for growling: i don't think you should use your throut as you can fuck up your vocal chords, and wont be able to maintain it later in life, you should do it from your diaphram. in reguards to the milk thing, i dont drink milk, but i can pull off a semi decent death voice
to scream, i find that i do that the same as growl, but with a closed throat

[L,B'XXX]

This has all been great and i'm eternally thankful for this. :love: :beer:


And now we own your soul......

Go do up my dishes and take out the trash.

[powersofterror]

Age I say is the only real answer. The older you get, the better it will be. I can yell/scream like a mother fucker, ALMOST(but not near) to Galder. I do have a loud projection, and my problem lies in the singing. I've lately been practicing my ass off teaching myself to sing some IE tunes:vampire:

[BrokenCrimson]

There are two ways to growl - gutual and throaty. Throaty hurts your voice, and gutual is a lot lower pitched and doesn't hurt your voice. If you're female, I sugest gutual and if you're male I sugest throaty.

Angela Gussow's growling comes from her throat, very few women can do that.

[Transient]

definately, dont start worrying about it untill your voice is totally mature

[powersofterror]

...I say Do NOT use the throat. It doesn't even sound good. I just thought of good reason too, (yay me!) When you use the throat, you don't use as much air, and you get a softer toilet flush type sound:sickface:. You need to use the same mucsles you use for regular singing. Use a lot of air, and sing out, don't sing to your chest. But also don't growl towards the cieling cause that's extra work. Just keep your face straight forward.

[L,B'XXX]

Yep, position is everything. ;)

[Infinity]

Does anyone know fleshgrind? i kan sing - uhh, growl- like him. or the same technique is employed in the Dying Fetus deep vocalist.

but i have lots of growls. id REALLY REALLY REALLY like to know how to scream, anyone? like the December guy in 'Umbilical'

i dont use the back of my throat at all. i kind of lossen my cheeks and reverberate a growl through that, pushing my tip of my tongue to inbetween the top canine and the one left of it [left top canine]. thats for my deep growl. it sounds like Cannibal Corpse but a little more distorted? its lower anyway.

but for fleshgrind / low dying fetus vox, i suck air in insteead of blowing out. just like breathing through your mouth.
breathe in and you put a little pressure on the windpipe, it makes a ... fucking wierd noise. push it lower and aply more pressuer, and yoy can master it to become fleshgrind.

[Infinity]

Oh, and one of the mods should movw this to that VOCALIST FORUM *hint hint, nudge nudge*

is that going ahead or what

Oh, and for that milk thing said up above - thats for pussies. i used to do that and it just make your voice progressively worse.

just keep doing exactly what your'e doing. it gets better, believe me.

[Transient]

blow your nose too

[powersofterror]

Yep, position is everything. ;)
:rolleyes:

[younguitarist]

Does anyone know fleshgrind?

i do.

[Transient]

thats nice!

[timedragon]

Does anyone know fleshgrind?
Actually, my friend told me that not too long ago, when he saw them, he was given the pleasure of doing the voclas on the song "holy pedophile". I wasnt there, but he said it was a fuckin good night. Afterwards he drank, and got this really old "rare" tape signed, which the guitarist said they havnt seen one of in years. That tape used to be mine, but he just sort of claimed it one day :confused: I should've gone!

[L,B'XXX]

:rolleyes:

:D

[Infinity]

Actually, my friend told me that not too long ago, when he saw them, he was given the pleasure of doing the voclas on the song "holy pedophile". I wasnt there, but he said it was a fuckin good night. Afterwards he drank, and got this really old "rare" tape signed, which the guitarist said they havnt seen one of in years. That tape used to be mine, but he just sort of claimed it one day :confused: I should've gone!


Man you totally got shitted there! like i need to tell you that though... :P

[MoonRaven]

my growls at the moment sound kinda like older opeth, they were deeper, more like new opeth, but i am messing around with some new things at the moment. i dont really know how to explain how to do it, but fro9m the throat it sounds more raspy, from the chest area, much deeper. for screaming, tensen up your stomach, and force the air out, my screams sound like deep barks, they are kinda cool, wouldnt do them for vox, maybe a few added little things, but not lead vox.

[powersofterror]

The longer your hair is, the prettier your voice will be....Take Tobia Sammet for example.:rolleyes:

[Trendkill_420]

I sound like cookie monster

[lamb_of_god]

my growls at the moment sound kinda like older opeth, they were deeper, more like new opeth, but i am messing around with some new things at the moment. i dont really know how to explain how to do it, but fro9m the throat it sounds more raspy, from the chest area, much deeper. for screaming, tensen up your stomach, and force the air out, my screams sound like deep barks, they are kinda cool, wouldnt do them for vox, maybe a few added little things, but not lead vox.

What do you mean tensen up your stomach? You mean like suck in my gut? :(

[Infinity]

tensen, you know, like someone's gonna ounch you. tense youre abs

[Infinity]

and by ounch i mean punch

[lamb_of_god]

Ah ha, I see!

[BOSE]

It's really hard to explain, but my advice is to got with what ever hurts your voice less, if it hurts at all. Funny thing is when you have a microphone in front of you you don't have to yell your ass off, you people telling us to 'give it are all' are just setting you up for vocal damage. I've talk to alot of singer for major bands, and all have told me you just gotta learn how to whisper into the mic, and save the way loud voice for the right times.

[powersofterror]

Yelling thickens the vocal cords, and that's what these kids want; to get a manly voice.

[Transient]

how would someone do a burzum style screech?

[Dystopia]

What bose said, don't yell your lungs out. You have a mic with a volume knob on the mixer, turn it up but don't scream too loud or else you will fuck up your voice. One of the main things is use your diaphragm. It is possibly the most important part in vox. What you should do is in a lower/quieter(like a whisper) voice and using your diaphragm, try to find the pitch you want, and slowly day by day (I know this sounds boring, but this is a good way) making it louder and louder until you have it basically down. Then - Practice!

[ShredIsNotDead]

Trev from Black Dahlia Murder is the best screamer in my opinion. He also does quite the growl.

[Necro_Butcher]

just listen to the scream and try to copy it

you will eventually get it

i can do most any type of scream/growl i hear now

[wwwgravesend1com]

yea i deff agree with the imitating part just to get down the way to do it but i also think that its always best to scream in ur natural voice and push on the stomach....or pretend ur about to get punched in it if u will...milk is crap...a little jack daniels on the other hand....

[powersofterror]

Haha, yeah...

[Dystopia]

http://www.musicians.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=3993

I searched "how to scream" on google and got that a long time ago.

[Severed_Head_Stoner]

how would someone do a burzum style screech?

Varg is over rated, He is mostly vocal distortion. Im not dissing Burzum, i love Burzum :D

[lamb_of_god]

Trev from Black Dahlia Murder is the best screamer in my opinion. He also does quite the growl.

Yes, he whoops an extreme amount of ass! That's kind of what I was going for. My scream is sounding lots better and my growls good. Thanks again folks!

[Dystopia]

I remember I used to try and scream, but all I did was squeak. Now I mainly growl and my scream is just a higher-pitched growl with basically the same teqhnique(sp).

[powersofterror]

Oh, and the more you sing "high," the lower your voice will get. In other words, don't practice growling at all. I've found out that it's pointless.

[Transient]

really?

varg used effects on his vocals? thats a dissapointment. btw, i mean the first three, i know Filosofem he purposely recorded with a terrible mic

i dont know how you could make an affect on his voice to make it so high and scratchy

[lamb_of_god]

Oh, and the more you sing "high," the lower your voice will get. In other words, don't practice growling at all. I've found out that it's pointless.

My growl got better as I practiced. But then again, I have my 80's hair-metal scream I pull out for laughs sometimes that's high as shit.

[powersofterror]

Eh, well mine never got better. After not trying to growl for like 2-3 weeks and just singing high (Helloween, Pantera, and so on), I did a growl bit and it sounded much better than my usual.It was a lot more scratchy and deeper.

[andrewc]

im a grind singer to be, can anyone give me some tips as to who sings from their diaphragm instead of their throat?

some tips for getting a good sound, i find drinking juice before hand helps, especially apple juice. builds up a nice load of mucus in your throat and for me personally, gives me some top growls.

[DeathCS]

Eh, well mine never got better. After not trying to growl for like 2-3 weeks and just singing high (Helloween, Pantera, and so on), I did a growl bit and it sounded much better than my usual.It was a lot more scratchy and deeper.
Maybe its just that you hadnt heard yourself sing low for a while so that you forgot how your low vocals sounded so they seemed lower when you started doing them again. Since you were just singing high, you got used to hearing yourself singing high so when you sang lower it sounded much lower.

[Innards-Decay]

dude... heres the best formula to do before you go on to growl/scream.
1 20oz bottle of water (to whet your throat)
1 TableSpoon of honey (to buil mucus)
8oz of yagermeister (to burn the chords and make it a little scratchy... substitute with whatevers there if you cant get yager)

[Infinity]

How about this - Dont do anything to your fucking voice. If it's not good enough anyway you shouldn't be singing. That goes to everyone that's said "Oh drink this, it scratches your bla bla bla"

[Necro_Butcher]

Lord worm says Lemon Tea really helps

[Innards-Decay]

Infinity i agree, but some people insist on growling/screaming even if they arent up to it... its up to the people who can actually do it to help i guess. :rolleyes:

[The Doctor]

tea is really good, it just works, when you growl a lot your throat get's sore after a while and tea softens the pain, especially with some honey.
Drinking booze is nonsense, it just burns and damages the troat.

[BeastOfCarrion]

i try to get flem in my throat for the way i sing, so Coke is really good for that, water works too, but it doesn't produce flem quite so think as coke :)

Otherwise i just sound like im exhaling

[Dissection]

tea is really good, it just works, when you growl a lot your throat get's sore after a while and tea softens the pain, especially with some honey.
Drinking booze is nonsense, it just burns and damages the troat.

Tea is the best thing for your throat, bar none. Honey adds to that. Good advice, Doc. :)

While I don't sing, I try to keep my throat in good condition by drinking tea every day.... and because I'm part british. :D

I will probably be stuck singing. But I can't sing, nor am I fit for the job. :(

[powersofterror]

I sing Rush.....:rolleyes:hehe, not.

[BestialWarrior]

I think tea is good as mentioned...and ice tea for that matter. Also a little bit of chlorseptic I find is also good..Especially if your voice is fucked from a lot screaming/yelling, etc.
:vampire:

[The Doctor]

ice tea isnt good, you really should use warm drinks, like tea, chocolade or warm milk (tastes very good with honey)

[Disincarnate]

cool....thanx for the info :beer:

[sainttex]

I've seen a lot of people say 'force air through your throat' and vocal cords a lot on this thread. This is very bad for your cords - and your singing carrer will be very short if you do this. Plus it sounds like crap. Always use your diaphragm.

Another question i see a lot is 'I want to sound like ::insert vocalist/bandname here::' This isn't the kind of innovative thinking that should go into music. Plus its going to be near impossible to recreate this. Its like telling somone who sounds like Roseanne Arnold to talk like the huge mofo from everybody loves raymond. Come up with your own sound of vocals. It will feel better to you... and i know if i hear somone trying to sound like somone else my first though is 'what an unoriginal douche...'

Lastly: Experiment - but keep in mind if your voice starts to hurt from something you are doing. STOP for the day. drink a lot of water and start again when they dont hurt anymore. remember NEVER scream without warming up first. Hum or do some other warmup before you scream. Soon you will be able to scream all damn day and be comfortable. the way it should be.

-Sainttex

[Dystopia]

Nice first post.

[Cybris]

*applause* at least he didnt put his first post in the guitar section like i did and almost every noob does

[lamb_of_god]

I dig what you mean and I do want to be original with mine, but it's hard to sometimes with stuff like this. I can do wonders on guitar or bass but my singing always falls in to a certain place and I can't get out of it. Dig?

[Dystopia]

I consider myself to want an original voice (as in I thought of a voice that would sound perfect to the music I play) but it just so happens coincidentally it's the same kind of vocal style used in Pig Destroyer and Magrudergrind.

[BeastOfCarrion]

I've seen a lot of people say 'force air through your throat' and vocal cords a lot on this thread.
i haven't, in fact i have seen people say the exact oposite

[BeastOfCarrion]

The longer your hair is, the prettier your voice will be....Take Tobia Sammet for example.:rolleyes:
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, dont forget, the longer hair also absorbs some of the "meat" in your voice, so for those true to the power metal way it needs to be AT LEAST knee length. Also your pants MUST have holes in them to allow the hot air that causes manlyness to escape. When these techniqes are combined, the true power metal vocalist is born.

:p

[powersofterror]

When I first saw the Avantasia cover, I seriously thought it was a chick singer, and holy shit was I wrong:rolleyes:.

[sainttex]

i haven't, in fact i have seen people say the exact oposite

it's all in the back of your throat, and you've got to put all you've got into it, or it'll sould like you're a pusy with no air.

never heard them, but for growling, it's the back of the throat, for straight out screaming, you close off your throat and force air through it... it's difficult, and difficult to explain.....hope this helped

Yes, milk products help. Especialy yoghurt, lots of it.
Also, you know how to clear your throut? Grunting is a bit like that "ach-uhm" in your the back of your throut. Try it, and you'll get what I mean.

^------- this is what im talking about. if you 'force air' its gonna be abrassive. all diaphram my friends (you can use your throat for accent sounds for that classic black metal sound, but dont push it. you will be able to get to a point where you can do this non stop without hurting. using the same method i talked about before. resting if it hurts and whatnot.)

BeastOfCarrion - you were the first person i saw that had said the right thing.

[Transient]

Come up with your own sound of vocals. It will feel better to you... and i know if i hear somone trying to sound like somone else my first though is 'what an unoriginal douche...'

-Sainttex


if you can only do vocals like frank mullen and are covering a carcass song, you should at least try to do the walker sneer high nasaly thing. so, i disagree there

[Innards-Decay]

i dunno, i can do alot of different styles of vocals, but my main death metal ones are a low midsy gutteral, a septic sounding low, and chris barnes high. thats what they sound like. i use all diaphram too, except for the high which i use diaphram and throat.

[sainttex]

if you can only do vocals like frank mullen and are covering a carcass song, you should at least try to do the walker sneer high nasaly thing. so, i disagree there


hahahahahahahhahaha
But ya exactly - covering.

[G_urr_A]

I've got a problem with my growling. I just can't sustain it for long enough. After 1.5 seconds, I'm completely empty (trying to go further sounds stupid and makes me feel like I'm going to puke). My lungs were (last time I measured) quite a lot bigger than average for boys my age, and I play the saxophone, and I don't smoke, so I should not have a problem with air supply, but I do. I guess it's something with my technique that isn't right...
What I do is I relax my throat as much as I can, and then push air through it. Makes for a really low, but not very distorted sound. It doesn't hurt, and it makes my clean voice nicer for a short while after each growl. But as I said, I just can't sustain it.
What I'm looking for is a technique that allows me to go from Mikael Åkerfeldt of Opeth, to Chris Barnes of Cannibal Corpse and Six Feet Blunder. I'm not really after the higher pitched DM type vocals, but they'd be nice to have too. Anyone got any ideas?

[Innards-Decay]

heres a tip. stop trying to be like that fag from opeth. i hate how everyone fucking creams over a guy who can sing and growl, when his singing actually blows ass compared to that beast of a growl he has. and i hate how when everyone is looking for vocalist (hence not fucking singing!) they say they want growls and harmonius singing too. newsflash! very few people can do that. so stop being dipshits and stop singing when it detracts from the true message of death metal, complete and utter brutality. metal is full of pussies these days.

sorry for the rant, opeth just pisses me off.

[G_urr_A]

Reread my reply, and I you will see that I there's no explicit reference to his clean vocals. Considering that I mention Chris Barnes as another example, I find it reasonable to assume that I'm talking about the growling.

And, for rants about bands, the band forum is more suitable, IMO, than a thread about singing/growling in the vocals forum.....

[Innards-Decay]

alright, i guess since i was an asshole ill help you out. if you running short of breath when you growl, try using your throat a little more, try beastofcarrions solution of drinking coke before you do vocals.

[Deathmaster213]

I am interested in trying some vocals.

My main question is, how do you NOT force air through your throat?

I'm after a kind of thrash rasp (think of the Swedish variety), I can produce a sound like this, but I can't sing a long to a whole song without my vocal chords starting to strain and hurt. I'm obviously focing my throat when I shouldn't be, and this is clearly not the way to go...

So, I should push the air out with my diaphragm? Well, sure...thats how you normally push air out of your lungs, but how do you get it to sound like a pissed of thrash rasp?

I'm I supposed to keep my throat as open as possible and just yell or what?

Also, where do you guys practise vocals? It's a bit hard to sit in my bedroom at home and just scream manically. The neighbours will assume someone is being gorotted.

[Dystopia]

I am interested in trying some vocals.

My main question is, how do you NOT force air through your throat?

I'm after a kind of thrash rasp (think of the Swedish variety), I can produce a sound like this, but I can't sing a long to a whole song without my vocal chords starting to strain and hurt. I'm obviously focing my throat when I shouldn't be, and this is clearly not the way to go...

So, I should push the air out with my diaphragm? Well, sure...thats how you normally push air out of your lungs, but how do you get it to sound like a pissed of thrash rasp?

I'm I supposed to keep my throat as open as possible and just yell or what?

Also, where do you guys practise vocals? It's a bit hard to sit in my bedroom at home and just scream manically. The neighbours will assume someone is being gorotted.
Can't help you, but that last comment is sooooo true. In this sorta shed like thing I have in my back yard (where I have my drums) sometimes I want to go practice but I get embarrassed in case anyone hear's me.

[Infinity]

i fucken scream when and where i fucking want. my room is right on the street and im 100% sure people think im getting raped.

[Innards-Decay]

just put a cd on like 3/4s volume on your stereo and practice.

[G_urr_A]

When I do actually practise, I usually take a walk from my house (I live in the countryside) to a place with a good view of the town I live just outside. There, I get a good clear sound (no annoying echoes, no annoying "closeness" of a small room) and no one will know it's me they're hearing (though pretty much half the town can hear me).

[lamb_of_god]

I lack an isolated area nearby, so as has been previously said, just do it whereever. People may look at you funny, but screw them!!!! Do you want to sound good or not???

*PS My growl is good but my scream still sounds like Every Time I Die, who I love, but I'm not goin' for.

[powersofterror]

I practice in my dorm room, as loud as fuck so the music covers me up a little. Haha, it's a dorm so I KNOW they all can hear me on the whole floor. It's not embarrassing only because no one says anything.

....shit cool water, ahh yes, I've been singing ALL day, and fuck my voice ain't gone yet...:D....as high as Demons&wizards too.

[Innards-Decay]

lamb of god, just try "shaping" your throat different. Even though i use all diaphram, the way i "shape" my throat can change my vox from frank mullen off of peirced (that the closesest i can point it to) to this uber low gutteral growl to a scream thats close to barnes off the bleeding.

[KthalEhthrek]

When I growl, I have two techniques that I use to vary the pitch of the sound.

The First technique I have, I open my throat as wide as possible and push as much air as I can through my vocal chords. The end result is a very hollow, very monotone growl that vibrates the euvuala (Spelling?).

The other technique is the complete opposite. I suck air into my lungs and pronounce words, making the voicebox work in reverse. If you can pull this off, you can get a very Inhuman Croak.

Not sure if I have already destroyed my voice, but It sounds cool.

I'll post a demo soon.

[powersofterror]

...The other technique is the complete opposite. I suck air into my lungs and pronounce words, making the voicebox work in reverse. If you can pull this off, you can get a very Inhuman Croak.
...
ha...that sounds like a decription of belching..

[Nothingface4TehWin]

...I say Do NOT use the throat. It doesn't even sound good. I just thought of good reason too, (yay me!) When you use the throat, you don't use as much air, and you get a softer toilet flush type sound:sickface:. You need to use the same mucsles you use for regular singing. Use a lot of air, and sing out, don't sing to your chest. But also don't growl towards the cieling cause that's extra work. Just keep your face straight forward.
this may not have any relevance but the akercocke vocalist looks up when he screams and down when he growls.

[powersofterror]

*shrugs*

...I found that it's a good warmup for power metal singing to growl death metal first. :rolleyes:One reason, it obviously clears the throat.

[guitariste]

Would you gimme a few tips to get started on growling/screaming?

[Transient]

dude!

[Innards-Decay]

ummmm.... you have to be kidding right? why is it that alot of the people who have joined after me do shit like this? or is it a recurring issue?

[deathroll]

I tried screaming a minute ago, with the diaphram and all. I think it sounded pretty good but as i prolonged the scream i started feeling dizzy and almost passed out?! It didn't hurt though. But is it just that my physical shape is so lousy or what? Did I use too much diaphram? Need help, cuz it sounds good and my band really needs screaming vocals.

And another question: How do you do the kind of "panic" scream, wich is very high pitched and still inflicted with heavy distortion. E.G Alexi Laiho (children of bodom) does this a lot live, sounds really cold and scary. :behead:

[powersofterror]

That is right on track mate. I was practicing all last night for like 3 hours straight and I almost passed out like 3-4 times. That's also because I usually practice with something along the lines of Helloween and Iced Earth and Metallica, only lately have I started doing that. But my scream has always been a CoB type thing. All you need to do is just hack some phlem. It's sorta like closing your throat but just don't ckoke yourself;). I can do it without any trouble whatsoever, infact, screaming like CoB is a relatively easy thing. Growling like CC though, you need a larger air supply. Keep drinking fluids as well.

[rapeandruin]

For growling it all comes from the stomach...for the "meanest" growls make sure you have a lot of muscas (phlem) in your throat. It helps to make it deeper and just sound better overall. For screaming like black metal vocals I would suggest act like you are screaming but holding back. I'm not the best at high vocals cuz I naturally have a deep voice.

Also practice a ton. Sing stuff that you want to sound like and do it for like 40 minutes straight. Don't forget water though or pop (although pop is not like by some). The water sooths your throat and the pop can help create a muckas like substance. Also eating before hand doesn't really help because you tend to burp...

If you choose to work without water be prepared for your voice to be half gone for about 2hrs afterwards. I did that last night singing the entire Black Dahlia Murder cd (Unhallowed). So up to you.

For deep vocals (growls) close the front of your mouth more than when you scream. It helps to deepen the sound while opening your mouth wider helps to make screaming higher pitched.

example... here (http://www.hamfriedchicken.com/files/tbdm-ft-em+music.mp3)

[powersofterror]

Is that you? Good voice....
I didn't use any water last night. But I was drunk.....

[deathroll]

All you need to do is just hack some phlem. :confused:

Sorry i'm from finland :)

[powersofterror]

Hack a lugie...spit out some green/yellowish stuff....so on and so forth.

[Soulinsane]

:confused:

Sorry i'm from finland :)

Did you steal that avatar from Riggs? WTF, nOObs have been stealing avatars on a daily basis lately.

[deathroll]

No I did not steal it... I've used it for years in different forums.

[Soulinsane]

Oh, thats cool it's just I thought you took it from someone else that post here, Riggs, because he has the same one. Yours is more red though so I guess its not completely the same.

[Myrmidonlord666]

I like Mortal Decay/Demilich low vocals and i wos wondering how i get those low growls? Also how do you get a recorded whisper as loud if not louder than the other vocals?

[Innards-Decay]

the lows you just do a standard growl and lower it, bring it down your throat i guess... whispers are just mixed higher.

[rapeandruin]

Is that you? Good voice....
I didn't use any water last night. But I was drunk.....

Yes that is me...

[powersofterror]

... Also how do you get a recorded whisper as loud if not louder than the other vocals?
Turn up the volume maybe?:p.

[SlayerDude]

ok...I've done EVERYTHING this forum has suggested and my voice STILL hurts. Can someone help me with this prob? ...oh yea, tip- It comes naturally...I've been practicing for only a few days now, and my growl is growing in sound, and my scream is sounding pretty clean...so thanks to everyone's tips!

[shroud_of_false]

Any suggestions for singing like Jon from Dissection?

[lamb_of_god]

I realize I should have asked WAY earlier, but what is the diaphram? It's like something I KNOW I know, but just can't think of it.

[Dystopia]

I realize I should have asked WAY earlier, but what is the diaphram? It's like something I KNOW I know, but just can't think of it.
Diaphragm is this thing in your stomach that pushes air through your lung erstuminmethinks. :p Look it up in an anatomy(sp) book, or on the internet. But really all the matters is your squeaze your stomach really hard and use it as your main vocal tool.

[darkexodite]

To tell you the truth, if it doesn't feel or sound good, don't do it (someone might have said this already).


Anyways, when I first tried growling I did it from my throat, which was a bad decision. Now I have whyskey voice without realy well... drinking whyskey or hard alcoholic drinks (all of these are bad ideas to do to "improve" your voice).
I think when I stoped growling from my throat and started to practice and apply actual singing techniques, singing from your diaphraghm (sp?), my throat felt much better, I felt much better over all, and my voice improved and now I have this weird singing with a growl over voice, which I like a lot and has been making a name for our band.

Just don't start all these rituals and learn how to do it the wrong way first, because it's much harder to re-teach yourself on how to do it right, and chances are that you wont be able to fix whatever problems with your voice later on. Use the bassic singing techniques, apply some growling methods (not from the throat, not for me anyways), use that volume knob on the PA, and you should be fine. :)

[lamb_of_god]

That's a good post for a New Blood. Good job, sir darkexodite!

[panzer-god]

Well, let's all agree that the growling technique isn't something you can master after days or even weeks. I learned by having LOTS of patience and by hours of listening from other bands. And if the passion/motivation isn't there, you simply can't pull it off. give it lots and lots of time. And if the sounds coming out of your throat by then is still human, give it more time. And for gods sake, don't grind your vocal chords, it can ruin your voice completely (just listen to chris barnes). People always tend to simplify this way of expression but it's not really that easy, but i garantee you this: you WILL be satsified with your hard work :vampire:

[Song of Blasphemy]

I tried from the back of my throat, but I still cannot growl. I'm trying to sound like Belphegor or Behemoth and I totally suck at it. I thank you demons for your advice on it, but I really need more help on it. I sound so bad. :beer:



Dimebag will live forever through his music. Fukk the Bastard son of god.

[powersofterror]

If you watch a ton of live videos just keep your eyes on the singer.

[Trylakos]

Hey guys the stuff you post on this board is very helpful so keep up the good work :)

I have a problem though,I cant seem to get balls in my growling,I think Im doing it from my throat but it doesnt hurt or anything but the problem is there is no low end to it, its just kindof of a raspy throat noise(bad description I know) Vocalists that I would like to base off of are: the Singer on "The Crusher" album by Amon Amarth, Mikeal Åkerfeldt of Opeth, Corpsegrinder of CC and Lord Worm of Cryptopsy.

A problem might be that Im still only 13 and my body might not have developed yet. anyways thanks alot!

[Local_Hero]

I came to believe James Hetfield now uses a loud clean voice for his screaming parts, as opposed to his old style of lung-powered screaming. How true is this?

If I didn't figure out his old technique right, which did he use?

[GodIsTheMachine]

I sing a lot at shows and stuff and I can get low(not super low, but good enough). But when I am alone just growling and screaming by myself, My voice just sounds like really low talking/air leaking out. Is this normal to not be able to get this low sort of grinding alone?

[Wes]

Growling - easy... i cant scream... I don't know what do??? :sickface: :stoned:

[Legato]

I can do growl/cannibal corpse kinda vocals pretty well, I don't find them that difficult. I do infact have trouble screaming. I've learned how to take a growl and go higher with it too make it sound like a scream. It doesnt hurt the vocal chords nearly as much. They sorta sound like Black Metal vox, a bit like Shagrath of Dimmu Borgir.

[Wes]

Screaming it is higher growl.... vocal chord how u eat lemon.... then u can scream... im understend it... now i can scream :eek:

[darkexodite]

I came to believe James Hetfield now uses a loud clean voice for his screaming parts, as opposed to his old style of lung-powered screaming. How true is this?

If I didn't figure out his old technique right, which did he use?


He used to put a lot into it. He did it from his diafraghm, pushing it out and adding his manly growls. Now he just sings loudly, and he's not very good at it.. Whatever, he had his good days, I guess he either lost the ability to do what he did when he was younger, or wants to keep his voice (I think it's the former..).

[Legato]

*shrugs*

...I found that it's a good warmup for power metal singing to growl death metal first. :rolleyes:One reason, it obviously clears the throat.
That's true acutally. Whenever I sing I usally do a couple growls and high pitched shreaks to clear the flem and shit. That and drinking hot water, works wonders.

[Wes]

I want Mustain vocal... and his scream... I have good low growl...

[Soulinsane]

I want Mustain vocal... and his scream... I have good low growl...

Amen to that. Mustaine has a great vocal sound and guitar sound imo.

[Wes]

Amen to that. Mustaine has a great vocal sound and guitar sound imo.
Yes!!! It's great... But I can't sing as Mustain... Difficult for me... :( But I training... He have tenor type of vocal... head register... :bawling:

[allthatremains]

dont use your throat close up a bit and project air and voice from the pit of your stomache...i sound a mix between mark hunter and randy l.o.g and scream in a succesful metalcore band and thats what i do ...diaphram is the key lean foward think 'hate' while doing it give some agression its as much state of mind as technique.

[allthatremains]

dont use your throat close up a bit and project air and voice from the pit of your stomache...i sound a mix between mark hunter and randy l.o.g and scream in a succesful metalcore band and thats what i do ...diaphram is the key lean foward think 'hate' while doing it give some agression its as much state of mind as technique.

[Brocko]

For everyone out there who wants to take all those tips on screaming/growling, listen up. I read this whole thread and a lot of people it seemed were just guessing, which is fine, but if you are an aspiring musician vocalist and you want to sing for a living, you don't want to make mistakes. You can really mess up your voice. So I figured I'd show what I've truly learned in my singing "career".

I'm in the band Triple Helix based in Bloomington, IL. We're working really hard at writing and performing and promoting ourselves. We're by no means the best band ever, but we think we're decent enough to carry on and learn and get better in front of crowds. Anyway...check us out at www.triplehelixband.com . We've got a couple Mp3s you can download and you will hear how I scream.

Anyway, the thing about drinking milk/cheese products....BAD idea. Whether you want a raspy voice or not, milk is not going to help..it just makes things worse...trust me, hahah

I used to have trouble singing higher notes for longer than one song, so I had a couple of quick homeroom lessons with my high school choir teacher. She taught me to sing through my diaphragm and it helped me a LOT! Basically what it means is to breathe so that only your stomach moves out, not your chest. That is actually how you are physically supposed to breathe all the time. If you can't get the hang of it, think of how you breathe when you yawn. That is how you should breathe to sing. All this applies to screaming and growling...it applies to any type of vocalization, really.

Another important thing she told me was that you need to warm up before actually going all out. Whether it's popping in a CD with scales, or getting your favorite rock album out, it's good to warm up. Take it easy at first...clear your throat of all the shit. Stretch your neck muscles out by rotating your head up down, left right and in circles. The basic point is to relax yourself. And the actual singing should also be relaxing..not tense. And yes, even screaming, believe it or not.

While singing, be sure to breathe a lot! You'll surprise yourself how little you actually might breathe while you usually sing. I still surprise myself all the time and it takes reminding myself to keep up proper technique. Take deep breaths before every note and especially for screams. Remember to breathe from the diaphragm.

While singing, also keep your head straightforward or slightly tilted down if you are in the habit of singing to the ceiling. Remembering to sing straight ahead is a key point in singing properly. It will almost force you to breathe correctly, which is obviously a good thing.

I can't really think of a whole lot more, but I'm sure there is. I'm still learning every time I sing, so I hope you guys don't think I'm some stuck-up ass who thinks he knows it all. I don't, and I'm planning on taking classical voice lessons very shortly to ensure that I am doing this all right. I plan on using this voice my whole life, whether it gets me somewhere in the industry or not, so I'm gonna take care of it just like you all should. If music is something you love, then you should love your instruments that you play it with. Your voice is an instrument just like any other. The only difference is that it's the product of a living organism and is probably the most complicated instrument of all. Take care of your instruments!!!

If anybody has any tips for me as well, I would love to hear them because that's the whole reason I ended up on this forum. I'm still learning and I'd love to be the best I can be. Good luck to all of you!

Brock-
Triple Helix
www.triplehelixband.com


p.s.- Any feedback on my band would be cool too! Sign up for our forum and let us know what you think!

[powersofterror]

Geez...I sure hope that post wasn't a spam...hint hint*j/k:rolleyes: But you give nice tips. I have never sung to the ceiling and I've always said to-what you said. Woud you mind if you asked your teacher about a "lu test?" Usually it happens to the wind band but I'm wondering about singers as well.

[Local_Hero]

So how would you go about screaming like that for a whole song without ending up with a headache/sore throat/etc.?

[Brocko]

Powersoft, I've never heard of the "lu test", and I'm actually not in high school anymore, so I don't see her on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. Hahah, but I am planning on getting a hold of her some time soon, so I'll be sure to ask about that. Care to explain what it is?
Also no, the post wasn't a spam, hahah! But I could see how you'd think so. I wasn't really expecting my post to be so freakin' long, but it just ended up that way.


Local Hero- I'm still learning what it is to be a vocalist, so I don't know for certain, but from all the hints and tips and professional guidance I've gotten, there really isn't a "perfect" way to scream where you're not tearing up your throat. Technically speaking, I believe that the actually act of screaming or growling is moving your throat muscles an improper way to make the pressured air slam against your throat at an odd angle which creates the distorted sound that is screaming. Physically, it is hard on your body. So what I'm trying to find out is the best possible way to do it without ruining a good singing voice. I've gotten much better at it over the years because I follow all the singing tips and apply them to screaming.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't know how to scream or growl for an entire song without hurting your throat or feeling dizzy. If there is a way, I bet Maynard of Tool knows it. But I heard from someone that he won't perform Ticks and Leeches because he loses his voice. Same thing happened with James Hetfield cause he used to growl a lot.

As far as screaming/growling goes, I personally think it's overdone and doing it for an entire song or CD is excessive. Slipknot is the only band I've ever thought could make constant screaming sound good. Other than that, I think it's just a waste of energy. You're trying so hard to show your feelings(usually anger), but doing it too much just sounds boring. Plus, growling only exists to make you sound "cool" like you're evil or something, which spells out, "wannabe poser" to me. ;)

I'm not bashing anybody, I'm just saying that tons of screaming shouldn't be necessary. Anyway, I hope I helped.


Brock
Triple Helix
www.triplehelixband.com

[powersofterror]

From what I have come to understand, it rarely happens to anybody except for brass players like trombone or tuba...something that requites a ton of air. What happens is that so much practicing and pushing out air, it does something to the throat whereas the place of the adam's apple is a gigantic, shall we say, "frog's throat." A teacher showed me his once and it literally looked like that. Like this size of a grapefruit muscle sticking out of the neck. But when he talked normally it was fine, just when he pushed out air his throat expanded... That's about all I can say about it, I hope you kinda understand what I'm saying.

[Local_Hero]

I've been experimenting lately, and I've been able to pull off some high pitched growls(like Immortal). Right now, I am trying to get low growls and I think I got the basics right - I don't use my vocal chords, so it sounds kind of guttural and it's impossible to get but one note out of it.

One thing I haven't figured out is how to scream while making it melodic and not fucking up your voice. I mean, I can scream a melody but I get headaches and lose my voice for a day, so I know that's not how it's supposed to be done. What say you?

[BeastOfCarrion]

maybe you ARE doing it right, but you just need more practice, as you don't have the lung capacity to pull it off?

[Local_Hero]

Lung capacity was never a problem for me. My vocal chords can't handle it though.

[DovenWolf]

the only one i can do perfectly is Anders Friden from like back in the Jester Race, then i can get pretty close to Mikael Stanne in both screams and singing, and Tompa... someone could say they're the same but hell no, they do change in pitches and styles.... and i can get pretty close to Insomniums -.-havent tried brutal vocals yet

[DameFraMorkum]

I can do vocals somewhere in between Black and Death metal vocals. I can do clean vocals too, which is a plus.

[Rapture]

the only one i can do perfectly is Anders Friden from like back in the Jester Race, then i can get pretty close to Mikael Stanne in both screams and singing, and Tompa... someone could say they're the same but hell no, they do change in pitches and styles.... and i can get pretty close to Insomniums -.-havent tried brutal vocals yet

arg. thats exactly what i wish i could do... and exactly what im looking for in a singer for my band.

[sixty-six frets]

my specialty is those froglike kalmah-style screams, though I can stil do a fairly good demonic type scream, only problem is lung capacity and keeping my throat raw enough for an entire sitting. another scream I use pretty often that I haven't heard much elsewhere is a scream while breathing in, which sounds sort of weak unamplified but is wild on a mic. if anyone ever saw any of the 'alien' movies you know what I'm on about.

[Rapture]

i can hit some pretty sick death metal vocals, nice and low, but i got nothing else.

[andrewc]

i go by two methods i picked up from corpsegrinder and glen benton: the former to consume dairy products, adds a nice thickness to your voice, and glen benton: GROWL FROM YOUR STOMACH.

if you growl from your throat, your voice will go in about 30 seconds and you'll end up with vocal chord damage. tense your jaw and growl from deep inside. growl "AWWWWWWW." nice and low. you will avoid vocal chord damage this way and you'll get to sound deliciously brutal.

[blizzard_beast]

Hahaha, I've drunk milk on a daily basis for all my life, it doesnt really seem to help when I growl. Eh, I'm only 15, my voice is quite low when I speak normally, but the only things I can do are shitty black metal and some freakishly high power metal vocals.

[guitariste]

But would someone tell me how to sing like Alexi Laiho [children of bodom]??
Someone told me long ago that I should move the end of my throat[how in the fuck is that possible}to left....
:tomato:

[Silent Night 6 6]

But would someone tell me how to sing like Alexi Laiho [children of bodom]??
Someone told me long ago that I should move the end of my throat[how in the fuck is that possible}to left....
:tomato:
Well, for the most part you just kinda have to have that reg. voice like his. I actually sound close to his singing from the Hatebreeder album. His singing isn't that hard, you just growl with the back of your throat while kind like "crackling" your voice so you get that throat-splitting effect.

[DovenWolf]

hmm its been a while since i've screamed i got sick and now i cannot get the Anders Friden that exact anymore T_T.... i dunno how to explain how to scream, but i usually scream along for a couple of hours and it doesnt hurt O_o, after being sick however, i did run out of air alot faster =(... oo and recently i've gotten pretty close to John Liiva.... and lmfao i can scream like Angela Gossow XD even though i can't get the womanliness in her voice =O -im a guy.. go figure :P- anyhow, what do you guys think is a fun song to sing/scream along? to me...
Arch Enemy - Dead Inside, Pilgrim, Silverwing
At the Gates - lots of em... Neverwhere, The Scar, Non-Divine, The Burning Darkness -TSD Version! I own Tompa at singing rofl, he shouldnt have tried =X-, The Beautiful Wound, The Fevered Circle, Under A Serpent Sun, Blinded By Fear, Cold and Unto Others just to keep it short >_>
Dark Tranquillity - I love switching between clean vocals and screams so, Lethe, No One, Dobermann, Alone, Nether Novas.. and for screams Punish My Heaven, Of Melancholy Burning, Tounges, The Treason Wall, Monochromatic Stains, Hours Passed in Exile....
In Flames - Jotun, Artifacts of the Black Rain, Ever-Opening Flower, Clad In Shadows, Lord Hypnos and December Flower
Insomnium - Under the Plaintive Sky, The Day It All Came Down and Dying Chant ( i love trying the deep growls XD)

erm.. got carried away... anyhow.. yeah

i dunno any technical facts bout screaming and singing... i just do it =/, started by trying to immitate XD started off with some song which had screams and singing... i could get the singing nearly the same but i couldnt do screams that well, so i just tried and tried until i got em, then i just went trying on every song i liked,
hmm in positions... well i can scream better while standing wether im moving around or not, dont feel a diff if im screaming to the ground or cealing or whatever, =/

hmm screaming melodies is just as screaming ........................
i dunno for example in Therein by DT 'therein lies the beauty...' in screams... its pretty easy.. just dunno howt o explain technical facts >_< and when screaming and prowling round my room i just drink coke with lots of ice... XD -prob the reason why i got sick -.- - I'm 15 too XDmy voice is kinda deep, and umm, people have told me i got some weird accent prob from around europe... which could explain me not being able to sing or scream to american bands =O... hence my mostly swedish repertoire... XD
the msot i've screamed for is like 2 hours... and it was because i found something else to do... XD

[Shreddist]

Hey im a guitarist so im not up on singing terms as much as i should, i was wondering how do you growl from your gut or diaphram? when ever i try it always comes from what feels like a tightend throat with me forcing my adams apple down as far as possible. Thanks, Drake

[OpethFan]

Hey guys.
Recently I have been practising vocals, i play mostly opeth so yeah i have been trying to sound like Akerfeildt. (though i can sound harder if its a good day)
I have the problem most people have with their metal voice, and thats being able to blast the sound out, i can sound quite good, and my friends think so too - but its not exactly loud, its about talking volume. And if I try to yell it, i cant get the same sound. Its either a really bad sounding growl or nothin

How loud are metal bands singing when they are live? Like does Mikael from opeth yell at the top of his lungs, or do some bands just have their vocal levels higher than guitars when they play.
At about talking volume i can sound very close to opeth, its definately rumbling from the back of my throat, and it doesnt hurt after doing it either it just dries my throat out a bit.

So im just wondering how loud do you have to do it, i think i have gotten louder through practice, i used to only be able to do it under my breath.

[GravelFistFM]

this a very general question in my eyes...i can do some shit under your breath, but where are the balls??? u dont get much rasp at all...and u can easily tell if its breathed...as for loudness...that depends 1/2 on the loudness of the PA you use...and 1/2 on you how loud you have to sing to get the pitches and the sustains...if u need practice what i do is short spurts of growling and try to sustain it more and more..but if u want the sustains, it kkinda has to be loud if you want it to have balls

[Jamento]

This has got to be the most 'replied too' post ever. Seriousely. 146 replies, 1024 views? ho-lee-shit

[Jamento]

I mean uh, 10,024 views.

[andrewc]

...And I noticed that you're gay.

[aggressor27]

What got me started was drunken screaming to pantera. But here's some advice from a few friends;

1)Drink some room-temperature liquid before singing to relax your vocals
2)Cup the mic with one hand, the reverberation makes your voice sound that much better (cheap way to go for crappy vocalists like me)
3)Lemon juice (same as #1 but also good to help sustain your chords and keep them from swelling during singing)
4)Alcohol! Helps reduce your inhibitions if you don't like hearing your own voice.

[powersofterror]

Psh, if you have to do #4 , then you should not be learning how to sing. Fear should not be in the vocabulary of a frontman.

[aggressor27]

Psh, if you have to do #4 , then you should not be learning how to sing. Fear should not be in the vocabulary of a frontman.
That is all too true, that and drunk in front of fans at a gig isn't really fair to them. But I have to admit, I have a hard enough time in the comfort of my own home hearing my own voice when all I'm doing is recording.

[powersofterror]

Hahaha, then you should quit singing. If you don't even like it, why would anyone else:p?

[darkexodite]

It's one thing not liking your voice and another doing something about it. If you don't like it and keep doing what you've been doing, then that's bad. if you try to fix it, and extract the positive things out of your voice, keeping in mind the negatives (and constantly working on them), then you're doing fine.

I hated my voice after the first demo my band recorded... now, we're recording again, I like it, and so do every other person who didn't like it before. Improving is a major key, once you've proven that, you can work on the specific problems.


Never let yourself down by not liking your voice, try to work with it, try to find the positive, and then work at fixing the negative once you accomplish that. :)

[Local_Hero]

So, when you guys talk about using your gut for low growls(Opeth, Nile), do you mean literally?

[andrewc]

hahahaha, fraid not mr. hero. what we mean is don't do black metal "chokes" like one of the mayhem vocalists (possibly attila), or the second berzerker vocalist. the former sounds absolutely horrendous in that setting anyway. it means growl not with your throat, but make the sound come from your esophagus. clench your jaw a little bit as the sound escapes.

[powersofterror]

I literally yell/growl/scream/sing from my gut.

[Local_Hero]

hahahaha, fraid not mr. hero. what we mean is don't do black metal "chokes" like one of the mayhem vocalists (possibly attila), or the second berzerker vocalist. the former sounds absolutely horrendous in that setting anyway. it means growl not with your throat, but make the sound come from your esophagus. clench your jaw a little bit as the sound escapes.

From the esophagus? Wouldn't that be like forced burping(again, literally)?

(probably sounds like a stupid question but it had to be asked)

[Infinity]

Anyone know how to do a Seth Putnam [Anal Cunt] type screech?

[GravelFistFM]

imagine taking a huge dump, but the bastard is stubborn, its that feeling that is the diaphram. you tighting your ab muscles and push out the air with the eeeenhhhgggggg sorta feeling. this also helps when u suck at low growls, still good for the ones who are good, but are looking to be better.

[Soeru]

imagine taking a huge dump, but the bastard is stubborn, its that feeling that is the diaphram. you tighting your ab muscles and push out the air with the eeeenhhhgggggg sorta feeling. this also helps when u suck at low growls, still good for the ones who are good, but are looking to be better.

Yes... this is also what I do to get the grind-ish low vocals from the very early Napalm Death.

What I want to know is how to get those creepy haunting high pitched screams in the vein of Cannibal Corpse(think of the song "Devoured by Vermin"). Or the first scream in Cryptopsy's "Crown of Horns". Something like that. I can growl/rasp like the early Morbid Angel songs, but that doesn't work for this kind of scream, I know it's definately not done from the gut.

I can do something like that when screaming, but it doesn't sound as close as I want it to be. Since screaming isn't something I really do much, only for quick parts in songs, it won't damage my thoat.

[Necrophagist]

I've been the singer in a death metal band for about a year now, its nothing too serious but its fun anyways, so I figured I might be able to give some insight to the people struggling with this vocal style. I'm not going to try to teach you how to growl, you are the best teacher for that, not me. Sorry if a lot of this has already been said, I didn't take the time to read every post so I'm not sure of whats been said and what has not been said.

First off I highly suggest taking singing lessons to learn proper singing techniques. In order to be able to growl ( and scream ) with any success you need to learn how to control and project your voice first. I'm not saying you should spend thousands of dollars at a musical academy, but as one other poster did, ask a chorus instructor at your school for some tips, or take a few cheap lessons from a local place.


"Brutalizing" your voice takes a lot of time, patience, and practice. I've been working at it for 3 years and I'm still not quite where I want to be, so don't expect overnight success. Practice whenever you can. Even just growling/screaming under your breath will help. It may not be possible, but if you can, always practice with a microphone. People have a tendancy to go balls out when they growl without a microphone because it doesn't sound as evil as they want. They just end up damaging their vocal cords. These kind of vocals were meant to be heard through a microphone, and if you don't know by now a microphone makes a huge difference in the way growling sounds. Also, many people have said, turn the volume up, but not to the point where you're cheating horribly ;) . Growling is not like screaming, you shouldn't have to go a lot louder than a loud talking voice.

Getting the basic growling sound down can be very difficult but once you get the idea of how to create it, manipulating it will be easy given time. Don't expect to be a Lord Worm right away. For about a year I could only make a basic monotone death growl, but after much time and practice I'm very confident with the gutteral gurgle, the inhaling " pig squeal" or " cricket growl ", more of a barking style and several other styles as well. These you have to figure out yourself, but trust me its not as hard as it seems. Just have PATIENCE.

Some basic tips:
- Always always always warm up first
- Always have something to drink to soothe your throat
- Don't push your limits at first, give your voice time to adapt before you start really messing around with it
- use your diaphram as much as possible
- As I said before, practice with a microphone
- Bring out the metal fervor! nothing sounds worse than an uninspired singer.
- Don't cup the microphone to your mouth, it will make it sound muted and blatty. Hold it a few inches from your mouth and PROJECT.
- Don't clench your jaw up too much, you need to be able to move your mouth enough to enunciate, unless you want to be completely indecipherable. This also relaxes your throat which will in turn make growls flow out smoother.
- Don't mimmick, create your own style.
- hear it in your mind before you let it out
- Most importantly, Stop if it hurts too much. There is no way to growl without damaging your throat, so minimize damage by stopping once the pain grows to a certain point. Learn your limits. If you can hardly talk, you know you've gone too far. Don't be stupid and growl until your throat is raw and bleeding. Its not worth ruining your voice permanately just to sound like an angry cookie monster.




The best advice is to just keep at it. Don't give up if you can't do it right away, it takes time. Thanks for reading.

[powersofterror]

hehe, I never warm up.:rolleyes:

-if you notice....ALL smart singers literally put their lips onto the microphone to sing. No one keeps it that far away, it doesn't make any sense.

-I've been growlin' for a week straight--3-5 or so hours a day--and nothing has happened to my voice execpt that it's getting very deep. No damaging at all; normal, healthy, and sounding more and more like corpsegrinder fisher style.:vampire:

[Infinity]

Nothing happens if you growl and nothing happens if you don't do it with your throat lubed with milk or anything.

Except of course you will get better, I say don't lube your throat with any type of drink.

[bloody_rotten_pig]

im just starting out in a death metal band and i can scream like dying fetus and it doestn hurn my throat or my stomach or anything even if i dont do any warm up or dring something special but i tryed at practise with the yogurt thing but it made the songs sound like shit and i tryed the hot water thing that made my voice die in the middle of a word so what should i do? :behead:

[GravelFistFM]

practice without using anything if that works.

[bloody_rotten_pig]

ok my band is doing like a blood for blood song and i can do normal death metal but like nobody else in my band can sing like me at all any tips on how to sing like them? :beer: maybe?

[axps57]

so I wanna learn to growl/scream, whats this about vocal/guttural fry? I know what it is and can do it, although quietly. Is this the proper way to scream? if it is, how would i get louder at it, as to where i can vary in volume and tone, would i just have to keep doing it and let my throat get stronger?

[problematic]

Also, where do you guys practise vocals? It's a bit hard to sit in my bedroom at home and just scream manically. The neighbours will assume someone is being gorotted.

If anyone still cares you can practice into a pillow or blanket... However sometimes i tend to get lazy, as the pillow emits lower frequencies thus making the growl sound better, without trying as hard...

...gives you something to do at night when you cant get to sleep though

(B.T.W Disgorge's vocals are sick...thats my vocal goal)

[DameFraMorkum]

The best vocals are done by Beherit's Holocausto, hands down. And that pillow technique is shit. If you really want practice, then practice laying down. It doesn't sound great, but it forces the muscles you use while screaming to develop.

[IhateCoF]

Slipknot rulz!!!!!!111!!! j/k Hey guys this is my first post, I have been doing metal vox for a few months now, and have been searching these boards for quite a long time, which helped a alot. I see no one really likes new topics here, so I posted here. Anyway on topic, I have a few Q's: One is I have this damn weezy subtone in some of my growls, I just want to know how to get rid of that (maybe I'm using the wrong part of my throat/diaphragm?) My other prob is I cannot use my metal vox without warming up to a few songs first, yeah, I know it's a must to warm up, but I CAN'T have a ripped voice unless I warm up first. That pisses me off because I see tons of local vocalists just jump onstage and their voice is ready to go. If I try to scream all out without warm up, It;s about as ripped as a Hatebreed scream (which isn't very ripped at all) I just wanted to know if that's normal. My last prob is that my voice has a mind of it's own, one day it's great and the next it's utter shit. I know we all have our good days and bad days, but it gets really frusterating if you're trying to put on a good show and whatnot. Well, that's that. One thing I won't do, is drink stuff to (build mucus on your throat) and stuff like that. The only thing I will drink is water. Special thanks to Powersofterror and Infinity for their helpful posts. I hope I didn't piss anyone off ;)

[sqol]

Unless you want to damage your voice, then you'll warm up, pretty much every vocalist will warm up backstage before they go on if they've got any sense. As for the subtone issue, its not very helpful but practise will probably get rid of it, im not much of a vocalist so i can't really say.

Hope that helps a little.

[mudvayne_bass_player]

I drink some milk to help build up the goop in my throat and use the goop to help myself sound better.And of course it helps to scream and growl before accually trying.

[DameFraMorkum]

Yeah, sure. Goop in the throat a la Mutiilation. Have you ever heard that guy? Hahahahaha...

[John Holland]

Oddly enough, I've started to get good at this growling thing.

Ever since I watched the video for "Sarcophagus", by Nile, and watched Karl Sanders and Dallas-Toler Wade pucker their lips to do their growling, I thought, "Does that actually do anything?" And instaneously I had a good deep growl, and I've been working on it daily. How about that.

[newHELLonEARTH]

i've been starting to growl, since i will be the vocalist (and 2nd guitarist) for my band, and i recorded myself doing a part of dead and dripping, other guitarist said it was good, but i can't make the same noise every time.. and that sucks

[Shreddist]

Hey,
Ive got my growl down pretty good, but my throat hurts after it every time. Not the inside of my throat, but the muscles that are on the outside of your throat. Im not sure why im clenching the muscles, but it seems to be the only way i can get a growl. My jaw isnt clinched though.

Thanks! Drake

Also if you are going to drink something drink it about 10min before you go on stage, or your going to find yourself wanting to burp during a growl. Thats the worst thing ever.

Here are some things i do, im not sure if theyre correct, but they get the job done. Drink some water before, so your throat is wet, you only need to drink it once, after that your body will produce flem which keeps it wet. Also i notice i push my adam's apple down and take my tongue and push it back (sort of like when your gagging, push that part of your tongue back). This gets me good results, i can sing like (not identical) to Opeth, Amon Amarth, Cannibal Corpse, Necrophagist.. etc... im 16 now and ive been able to do this pretty well since i was 15. Basically once your voice stops cracking, thats when your ready (or at least i was)

Hope this helps.
Drake

[Local_Hero]

Oddly enough, I've started to get good at this growling thing.

Ever since I watched the video for "Sarcophagus", by Nile, and watched Karl Sanders and Dallas-Toler Wade pucker their lips to do their growling, I thought, "Does that actually do anything?" And instaneously I had a good deep growl, and I've been working on it daily. How about that.
Where d'you find that video?

[Shreddist]

Yeah, puckering my lips is the only way i can get a deep growl, but the thing is i feel stupid doing it, so i always try to not pucker, and its no where near as deep.

[Dystopia]

Yeah, puckering my lips is the only way i can get a deep growl, but the thing is i feel stupid doing it, so i always try to not pucker, and its no where near as deep.
Just pucker up. It doesn't look stupid we all do it.

[Hizawk!]

Sorry if this has already been asked. I might have missed it while reading the whole thread.

Can anyone tell me how i can get a growling sound like Shagrath from Dimmu Borgir has?
I'm new to singing, but that is the style i want to reach. so i was wondering if anyone here could give me some pointers, on how to get startet, and moving in his vocal direction.

Hizawk

[Shreddist]

Hey, shagrath uses alot of effects and dubbing, if you want to try to get something like what his "common" scream is, record a mid/high pitched scream, and dub it with a lower scream, sometimes even a growl.

[John Holland]

Where d'you find that video?

On Relapse's website.

[Rapture]

On Relapse's website.
He dug into the underground of the internet and sold his left testicle. With the money he made from that, he had to pay off the gnome at the entrance to the gates of hell in order to finally enter the band's record label's offical site. Trust me, it's not as easy as it seems...

[IhateCoF]

Any advice concerning my last post would be appreciated. (Really needs help)

[Shreddist]

Okay, with your weezing problem, try this, make sure your throat is wet to start with, I have a wheeze if im not really trying too hard, just really get some air going, not a ton, just make sure your growl is a little bit louder than like a loud talking voice. Tilt your head down some also, and pucker up. And for your warm up problem, most singers do have to warm up, you just usally dont see it.

[KthalEhthrek]

I suck in air rapidly and get a sort of Croaking sound that I use for singing. I also push air through my throat in such a way that it completely changes the way my voice sounds. I get a deep, deep sound that is much more understandable than my croak.

[Shreddist]

When you croak, is it almost like snoring, where you suck air in and have your tongue vibrate in the back of your throat?

[KthalEhthrek]

Its almost like a reverse Burp.

[John Holland]

Hey, shagrath uses alot of effects and dubbing, if you want to try to get something like what his "common" scream is, record a mid/high pitched scream, and dub it with a lower scream, sometimes even a growl.

Now if you want to hear effects on vox, in my sig there's plenty of that .... I'm doing a ton of experimentation with vox effects. Good or bad I'm not sure ...


As far as effects with vocals, Steve Austin of Today Is The Day is my favourite.

[IlikeRiffseveryone]

i like the vocals in insomnium. anyone know how to get that almost roaring feel, but still keep it throaty like niilo does?

[Exodus666]

Ok, I've started with growling since today.

I tried using the diaphragm, as suggested. I can breathe easily using it, but I don't understand completely how it works for singing. Just squeeze it as you want to grunt?

Also, it seems like using the diaphragm only provides air, and the growl still needs to be produced in the throat. I try to do that in the back (shaping the sound, but it hurts a bit, after a short period of singing.

I have recorded this on a short mp3 sample (taken from a song from a friend's band). I've put the music rather silent, as to hear my voice a bit better.

http://users.skynet.be/fa020387/sample.mp3

Please comment! I'd like tips to get more 'full' (yes it has been said a lot already but I don't find a concrete answer).

[Hizawk!]

I am also a beginner at singing, and when i try it sounds abit like Exodus666, is that the right way to go? and then just keep practising and you will learn to make it more deep/high and more agressive?
Or is it something else?

And i too get a hurt in my throat after doing this.

[Unholy Walter]

I recently worked out how to growl, thanks to this thread and other sources.
To Hizawk and Exodus, if it's hurting your throat after only a short time, your technique is probably wrong I'm guessing, and from the sample I heard by you (Exodus) it didn't sound all too correct.

Like I've read before, use the kind of back-bottom of your throat. You'll feel it when you try to clear your throat with that "a-hem" thingy. The way I do it, it's pretty much 'singing' with that 'clearing-of-throat' noise. When you put your all into growling like that, then you'll feel your stomach being tensed naturally; the more you try the more tensed you feel your stomach getting.

I'm not sure if that's the technique others before have described, but I can get a very decent sound out of it, and have my throat only tickle after maybe hour or so.
I guess it sounds like a sissier version of Karl Sanders haha. Then again not many can match his beastial voice (in my opinion).

[Tortiss]

i find tightining my jaw helps to filter my growl a little bit. and sing with your mouth in an oval shape :eek:

but thats just me

[LuciferianSoul]

As I understand, the diaphragm is better to breathe with as it projects your voice alot more than from the chest. You can also draw more air from it.

Tightening your stomach muscles does help.

Exodus, in your example you posted, your technique doesn't seem quite right. Your growling sounds like you are not changing the pitch at all, so words become more like grunts rather than evil growls. You probably just need to work on practising growling at different pitches and slowly changing your pitch so you can pronounce words better in growls.

[phantombass]

I'm not a singer, but getting a good death growl is one of my life goals. Can anyone tell me if I'm doing it right? Here's a very short clip of just my voice: http://s89374147.onlinehome.us/misc/sample_01.mp3

[Jacob]

Has anyone tried "The Zen Of Screaming"? I have heard that it really improves your screams and growls. Might get it. For 25 bucks you can loose.

[foxguitar]

Has anyone tried "The Zen Of Screaming"? I have heard that it really improves your screams and growls. Might get it. For 25 bucks you can loose.
For free put your nads in a vise grip youl scream like your favorite singer in no fucking tyme ouch :p

[powersofterror]

As I understand, the diaphragm is better to breathe with as it projects your voice alot more than from the chest. You can also draw more air from it.

Tightening your stomach muscles does help.

Exodus, in your example you posted, your technique doesn't seem quite right. Your growling sounds like you are not changing the pitch at all, so words become more like grunts rather than evil growls. You probably just need to work on practising growling at different pitches and slowly changing your pitch so you can pronounce words better in growls.
Pitch eh? Meh, my growls just sound like extremely distorted spoken words. Lots of air, loud, and deep. I also don't do the "o" or oval thing with the lips, I just move them normally.

[newHELLonEARTH]

i'm real lazy so i'll just ask here.. how do ya get a good inhale scream goin' like lord worm does alot of on NSV?

[GravelFistFM]

smoking does, but i dont suggest it. practice till u puke, i suggest that.

[Aggravation]

i need help with my screaming i dont know if im doing it right but when i try and scream it comes out like a whisper does this normaly happen or am i not doing it right

[Diacide]

never heard them, but for growling, it's the back of the throat, for straight out screaming, you close off your throat and force air through it... it's difficult, and difficult to explain.....hope this helped

I'm a singer for a death metal band and what I do is I use this throat closing method but instead of forcing air out, I force air in and I get a wicked In Flames/Children of Bodom kinda scream, it kicks major ass but im not sure if it's bad for my throat, it doesnt hurt or anything, and you can also do it low pitched to sound really growly kinda like Lamb Of God, try it out :)

[LuciferianSoul]

Pitch eh? Meh, my growls just sound like extremely distorted spoken words. Lots of air, loud, and deep. I also don't do the "o" or oval thing with the lips, I just move them normally.

I'm not sure I phrased that right or used the right words.. I just meant that it should resemble words at least, by pronouncing them. Even if no one can understand them first time/without lyrics.

I don't do the "o" or oval thing either, I usually also just move my lips/mouth normally.

While warming up, while growling some favourite songs, I also just growl nothing, just a growl, and I change the pitch, go deep and high, trying to keep the growl as smooth as possible while it transitions.

Aggravation: it should not be as quiet as a whisper, but I am no expert on screaming so I don't know what to say really.

[Jacob]

All I have to say is use "rotunda" and "dump" and you will be able to scream for fucking hrs on end. If you dont know what im talking about ill explain.

Oh and the whole lemon tea and cough drop stuff is BS :beer:

[Cassius]

Best growling advice I have ever been given was given to me by the best growler, IMO, ever. None other than Antti Boman (Demilich)

"
It's real hard to explain. I don't growl with my throat, the sound is
formed in lower. I think I open up the bronchus and swirl it there.
Also, the throat does something to the voice, but it's not the
traditional shriek way. A tip is that the sound changes if I tilt my
head upwards. The optimal tilt angle is about 45 degrees _downwards_.

This is like explaining how to get air into the lungs. Very hard.

-a"

[SicSyco]

for growling: i don't think you should use your throut as you can fuck up your vocal chords, and wont be able to maintain it later in life, you should do it from your diaphram. in reguards to the milk thing, i dont drink milk, but i can pull off a semi decent death voice
to scream, i find that i do that the same as growl, but with a closed throat

this dude knows what he is talking about, use your diaphram for growling, grunting, screaming, howling, yelling or whatever you do, cause if you use your throat, it will literally tear it, and you may start to cough up blood. also a good thing to do is if you smoke cigarettes, you should quit, your throat won't be fucked up that way, and you'll have better "wind"
:stoned:

[Cortex]

Well I'm the growler in a death metal band since monday.

You can listen to my growls at my homepage: www.cortex.de.tf

here's a preview (http://home.arcor.de/aureliuslie/Final_MyGrowls_09.10.05%20Buried%20By%20The%20Dead.mp3)

My Technique
I use the fluid in my throat to create the growls. not my voice. My original voice is quite high but the growls remain deep. I'm quite satisfied with this technique.

The only problem I have is the loudness. Growls are same loud like usual speech. I don't know if this is normal or not. No one talks about this topic.

[bloody_rotten_pig]

I just heard on vh-1 that a lot of stars have given up milk products so they'll have clearer voices. So I'd say the opposite may be truefor growling . But make sure you don't hurt your vocal chords. Research first.

To scream properly you have to be a mother. I know. I'm a mother. I have lungs that go on forever.
i heard on here before to have alot of milk products...? :confused:

[newHELLonEARTH]

Well I'm the growler in a death metal band since monday.

You can listen to my growls at my homepage: www.cortex.de.tf

here's a preview (http://home.arcor.de/aureliuslie/Final_MyGrowls_09.10.05%20Buried%20By%20The%20Dead.mp3)

My Technique
I use the fluid in my throat to create the growls. not my voice. My original voice is quite high but the growls remain deep. I'm quite satisfied with this technique.

The only problem I have is the loudness. Growls are same loud like usual speech. I don't know if this is normal or not. No one talks about this topic.
no offence dude, but i'm a better growler and im 14. you're pretty much just whispering.

[Throat Crusher]

Yeah, its not bad, but it isnt good. I also wouldnt call it whispering, becuase its obviously not. Mine is not perfect, and honestly im still working on getting the whole diaphgram thing to work. But it's gona be a good growl, not exactly orginal, but a good one. =)

[Cortex]

no offence dude, but i'm a better growler and im 14. you're pretty much just whispering.

show please

[DameFraMorkum]

Holocausto from Beherit just whispers and he's the best vocalist of all time.

[Cortex]

Holocausto from Beherit just whispers and he's the best vocalist of all time.

Yea. I think whispering is one fundamental technique to growl. Pasi Koskinen from Shape Of Despair told me that he use this technique and that he varys the distance between mouth and microphone depending on whether he growls or screams.

And it's definitely not as low as whispering, I can guarantee it. Another advantage is that it doesn't take too much condition and it doesn't hurt your vocal cords at all. It's powerful without sounding too brutal. Of course there is no way to use this style if you want grindcore death metal, but that's not my aim.

[newHELLonEARTH]

show please
i dont have anything to record... but please. its metal. you don't have to whisper :)

[Throat Crusher]

Dude, go balls out and do some growls, say something like "I fucking rock it more hardcore than Kurt fucking Donald Fucking Cobain with a shotgun"

[newHELLonEARTH]

who, the whisper dude or me?

[Throat Crusher]

Does it matter, I guess it applys to both of you, unless you dont have a microphone or somthing.

[newHELLonEARTH]

i dont, but did you hear his sould clip? he was whispering close to the mic! it sucked balls...

[Throat Crusher]

Yeah I listend to it, but it didnt sound like he was whispering, I could hear is breathing to well, but it didnt quite sound like a whisper.

[newHELLonEARTH]

well it sucked thats the bottom line IMO.

[Cassius]

Dude, go balls out and do some growls, say something like "I fucking rock it more hardcore than Kurt fucking Donald Fucking Cobain with a shotgun"
http://kitfwi.com:1337/cassius/growl2.wav
:)
Any comments/suggestions on it would be appriciated it.
NOTE: It's not one of my better growls..

[Cortex]

i dont, but did you hear his sould clip? he was whispering close to the mic! it sucked balls...

:rofl:

Really? stop observing me through my window :D

I only whispered once on the track 1:55-1:57 then I had to increase the distance between mouth and mic, cause my mic gives out a croaking when holding it to close.

well it sucked thats the bottom line IMO.

jealous? yeah, that's it :D

http://kitfwi.com:1337/cassius/growl2.wav
:)
Any comments/suggestions on it would be appriciated it.
NOTE: It's not one of my better growls..

Now, maybe this kind of stomach-growl is something for you newHELLonEARTH. I don't prefer this, since it can't be that emotional and you can't understand anything.

[newHELLonEARTH]

? yeah, that's it :D
stfu. :p . wanna hear a good growler? listen to cryptopsy's none so vile. :vampire:

[Throat Crusher]

No shit... its lord worm.

[newHELLonEARTH]

well yeah.

[Cortex]

Now how do you like this: http://home.arcor.de/aureliuslie/Final_MyGrowls_26.10.05%20The%20Ship.mp3

I followed your valueable "advice" and held the mic a bit closer to my mouth. The technique is exactly the same. Is this still whispering to you, oh great 14-year old master?

[Cassius]

Now how do you like this: http://home.arcor.de/aureliuslie/Final_MyGrowls_26.10.05%20The%20Ship.mp3

I followed your valueable "advice" and held the mic a bit closer to my mouth. The technique is exactly the same. Is this still whispering to you, oh great 14-year old master?

No offense to you, dude. But it's just not my style.

[Nickar]

www.odenk.de/growl.mp3
My voice isn't that low (I'm 16) but am I doing it right? =/
And what can i do to growl longer cuz i run out of breath pretty quick as you can hear.

[Throat Crusher]

Actualy swimming... Seriously, hold your breath, and build up lung capacity. Also look up singing breathing exercises. I know its hard, but try not push to much air out when growling. As for your growl its ok. Mine isnt perfect, but yeah its ok. Heres a tip as well, look WAV to MP3 Convertors on google, and change the format. WAV's take forever to download on Dial up.

[newHELLonEARTH]

what do you call the inhale-growling style? for instance on the starting of gorerotted's fuck your ass with broken glass, and like somewhere in circle of dead childrens destiny of the slig for instance? i can do it but i dont know what its called

[Cortex]

No offense to you, dude. But it's just not my style.

It's the same style like Opeth, Swallow The Sun, Shape Of Despair.... only not that professional.
Don't you like their growls?

[LuciferianSoul]

Finally I have a clip.
It's actually me playing guitar as well as growling.
And the vocals are a little quiet, unfortunately..
but tell me what you think anyway. :)

http://yuhkaz.satansam.co.uk/stuff/thorns-oct30-05.mp3

Right-click and save as.

[newHELLonEARTH]

what do you call the inhale-growling style? for instance on the starting of gorerotted's fuck your ass with broken glass, and like somewhere in circle of dead childrens destiny of the slig for instance? i can do it but i dont know what its called
damnit someone answer my question!

[Jacob]

Does anyone have some good scales to try to lengthen my pitch? Im looking to get a higher up scream for my metal core band. I do gutterals for my other band, but need to increase my range. Plus its just handy to have more than just a mono growl. Any links or w/e would be handy, thanks.

[Newfie_01]

First off this forum is KICK ASS

Just a few questions on growling technique(s)

When i (try) to growl i feel a bubling sensation deep in my throat.. behind or below my adams apple - is this correct/heathy/etc?
Any body know of any pro singers that use this technique?

Also where should my tounge be while im singing?
I read that the tip should b just touching the back of my front teeth ... this seems to work

Also when im singing i usally need a drink frequently - this normal? Any ideas on how to fix this?

Any other suggestioins would b welcome.

Thanks so much ... you by's r BURNT

[newHELLonEARTH]

First off this forum is KICK ASS

Just a few questions on growling technique(s)

When i (try) to growl i feel a bubling sensation deep in my throat.. behind or below my adams apple -
thats because you're a newfie.
:p nah im just fuckin with ya. well IMO if it doesnt hurt or anything and you get a good sound out of it, then there's nothing wrong with it, but thats just my opinion. i could be wrong.


NOW SOMEONE ANSWER MY FUCKIN' QUESTION!!!!!

[Aggravation]

ok i still need help cuz when i scream with out a mic i sound fine (not really) but when i go to use a mic all it comes out as is a whisper any suggestions

[Jacob]

Learn to scream...

[newHELLonEARTH]

:rofl:

[Six_Feet_Under_420]

Click here bitch (http://s52.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1NZ31TG78MF3Q0ZSOUNINOQDLL)


Me singing and playing torture killer by six feet under

[Cortex]

Learn to scream...

:rofl:

Oh my god.... :rolleyes:

please ignore those pubescent clowns. @newHELL: stop laughing at everyone, show us something YOU did.

[LucidDreamer]

I can dig most vocals: from like hammerfall to deicide, but I still think cronos is the man. Max from sepultura as well. also digging the vocals on atheist

[newHELLonEARTH]

Oh my god.... :rolleyes:

please ignore those pubescent clowns. @newHELL: stop laughing at everyone, show us something YOU did.
ever grasp the concept that i dont have a mic? and no, i wasn't laughing at everyone, just you, shithead. the " :rofl: " was cause what the other guy said was funny. pull that broomstick outta your ass, will ya?

[newHELLonEARTH]

I can dig most vocals: from like hammerfall to deicide, but I still think cronos is the man. Max from sepultura as well. also digging the vocals on atheist
yeah kelly shaefer(sp?) is pretty sweet. Still, my favorite vox are Lord Worm on the demo and first 2 albums. hes still good on the new one.

[Throat Crusher]

NewHellOnearth, Joe Horvath from Circle of Dead Children uses a technique called Pig Vocals to sing. Its inhaling, while screaming out, and on some tracks, he overlaps his own vocals with deep gutterals in the background.

[newHELLonEARTH]

alright thanks. now that i know what they sound like i should check that thread on pig vocals. i can do inhales that sound pretty damn close to what hes going. i didnt know he was screaming outwards too. sounds hard. but yeah is the inhales themselves callted gutterals? im pretty sure but not positive

[Throat Crusher]

I think so. But were trying to cover one of their songs, destiny of the slug, and as saying their one of my favorite bands, i still havent got many of the words down... i cant keep up with him, he's tottaly amazing.