Screaming/Growling Styles

[newHELLonEARTH]

for sure. but i get most of my imitation sounds of that song by doing all inhale screams how the hell do you inhale and scream out?! would that be inhaling and exhaling at the same time? explain please im fucking confused.

[Throat Crusher]

It sounds strange, but trying breathing through ur nose, while yelling out.... I hope that helps... i might just have some fucked up disorder lol.

[LuciferianSoul]

Finally I have a clip.
It's actually me playing guitar as well as growling.
And the vocals are a little quiet, unfortunately..
but tell me what you think anyway. :)

http://yuhkaz.satansam.co.uk/stuff/thorns-oct30-05.mp3

Right-click and save as.

I don't mean to be a bastard, but I just wanted some comments on this, the post sorta got lost in an arguement so no one had a chance to check it out. I don't like to quote myself again, but it's been a while.

[Throat Crusher]

lucerferian that song, i dled it yesterday, its pretty good. the guitar lacks at some parts but its pretty good. It sounds vary black metal.

[Cassius]

How do you get a nice high pitched scream like Varg? It kind of sounds like he processes it. I know he used a bad mic on purpose, but does that have anything to do with how high it is?

[newHELLonEARTH]

varg's vocals blow.

[humancorpse]

How do you get a nice high pitched scream like Varg? It kind of sounds like he processes it. I know he used a bad mic on purpose, but does that have anything to do with how high it is?
Get drunk :p

[Throat Crusher]

Honestly, scream. Scream like a fucking girl, and you should realy go with ur own style, whats comfortable for you, thats what i do, and im in a pretty fucked up band... with a guy who claims he's Anhur the egyptian god of war.

[Unholy Walter]

No offence or anything Cortex, but it doesnt really sound to me like youre growling. Just doesnt sound like its projecting enough or distorted enough

[newHELLonEARTH]

i guess im not the only one who doesnt like his growls

[humancorpse]

I didn`t like em either.

[Cassius]

i guess im not the only one who doesnt like his growls
Until you can post something you can do, shut the fuck up and stop bashing people. For some reason I doubt your 14 year old, pre-pubescent voice can do much better than anyone that you have bashed. When you can record a growl, and your balls have dropped, then you can start talking. Until then please do shut the fuck up.

[humancorpse]

Dude, you can be 14 and have a crazy dm voice, it really varies from person from person. I got an mp3 of this 13 year old kid who got an insane growl. I`ll post it if anyone want me to.

[Cassius]

I'm just saying he hasn't posted anything he can do yet and he's bashing everyone.

[Throat Crusher]

Hey before you go being a dick to newhell... stop getting names from Classical Shakespeare plays dick breath. Anyways yeah dude post that Mp3. Little kid growls rock it the hardest. =)

[Cassius]

Hey before you go being a dick to newhell... stop getting names from Classical Shakespeare plays dick breath. Anyways yeah dude post that Mp3. Little kid growls rock it the hardest. =)
Whoa, good comeback, buddy.
Now then, if we could stop with the 13 year old internet tough guy bullshit that'd be great.

[LuciferianSoul]

There's alot of arguing in this thread, hm? ;)

[humancorpse]

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1X2F2TMGFREOM3JD6MB8F7LSU6

there you go. The guy was 13 at the time it was recorded.

[Six_Feet_Under_420]

It's almost hard to believe the guy was 13 when that was recorded. His growling voice is awesome

[humancorpse]

Yeah I know it may be hard to belive, but he really was 13 ( 14 now).

[newHELLonEARTH]

Until you can post something you can do, shut the fuck up and stop bashing people. For some reason I doubt your 14 year old, pre-pubescent voice can do much better than anyone that you have bashed. When you can record a growl, and your balls have dropped, then you can start talking. Until then please do shut the fuck up.
guess what shithead:
I DONT HAVE A FUCKING MIC LIKE I SAID ABOUT 50 TIMES.
cunt.

[Cortex]

guess what shithead:
I DONT HAVE A FUCKING MIC LIKE I SAID ABOUT 50 TIMES.
cunt.

You don't have a fucking mic not because you're unable to go to a store and buy it for 5€. You don't have a mic because your girly 14-year old voice sucks. And due to your inferiority complexes you need to bash everyone.

And learn one thing: The rule isn't "the more brutal growls sounds, the better they are".

Maybe you should stop only to listen Cannibal Corpse and Gorerotted. You narrow-minded child.

[powersofterror]

....
And learn one thing: The rule isn't "the more brutal growls sounds, the better they are".

Maybe you should stop only to listen Cannibal Corpse and Gorerotted. You narrow-minded child.
What the hell? Is there a such thing as a pleasant, sweetly-sounding, for-use-in-bed-with-a-woman growl? I'd like to hear it

....Hmmmm, perhaps it's like Chris Barnes vocals?......because his vocals sound like he's whispering in your ear, "psst, may I please stick my knife in your cunt?"


The more brutal and loud....the better. That's the whole point to growling.

[Throat Crusher]

OMFG That is the most amazing ownage ever. I agree with powers, the brutaler the better. Like Devourment is ok, but if the vocals were somewhat hearable it would be better. So Disgorge are better vocals deeper, and brutaler. Anyways, back on topic.

[newHELLonEARTH]

You don't have a fucking mic not because you're unable to go to a store and buy it for 5€. You don't have a mic because your girly 14-year old voice sucks. And due to your inferiority complexes you need to bash everyone.

And learn one thing: The rule isn't "the more brutal growls sounds, the better they are".

Maybe you should stop only to listen Cannibal Corpse and Gorerotted. You narrow-minded child.
chris barnes sucks and so do you.

[powersofterror]

Unless he was talking about Fisher.

[John Holland]

http://s63.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1X2F2TMGFREOM3JD6MB8F7LSU6

there you go. The guy was 13 at the time it was recorded.

:eek: Listen to that little fucker go!

[newHELLonEARTH]

haha i know eh

[Throat Crusher]

Yeah I downloaded it. Its amazing, do they have a website by chance?

[humancorpse]

Had, but not anymore, they split up.

[Throat Crusher]

Oh that is bullshit, they were amazing... or what i have listend to by them was.

[humancorpse]

Guitar guy used the same riffs all the time, and he couldn`t really learn the lyrics due to bad english. His vocals still rule though, and so does the drummer.

[newHELLonEARTH]

That 13 year old dude kinda sounded like Karl Sanders

[IlikeRiffseveryone]

guess what shithead:
I DONT HAVE A FUCKING MIC LIKE I SAID ABOUT 50 TIMES.
cunt.

just add him to msn and then do it webcam! :)

[Throat Crusher]

HAHA. Do it. You seriously cant be that great of a vocalist, if you dont have a mic. Not saying you dont have talent, just before i make another comment about this, i want to hear some of your vocals.

[John Holland]

HAHA. Do it. You seriously cant be that great of a vocalist, if you dont have a mic.

That's almost like saying that you are completely unable to grow hair if you shave it. Or something ... nvm.


Just because he does'nt have a microphone to show you what he can do does'nt mean that he can't do what he says he can do. You don't have to believe what he says, but you can't dismiss him until you've heard him, can you?

[Throat Crusher]

Thanks for taking time to read the rest of that post dip shit =) lol. I wasnt tottaly dismissing him, granted i did say "Not saying you dont have talent, just before i make another comment about this, i want to hear some of your vocals." I more or less meant how can you be in a band if you dont have mic, i guess it came out wrong though, he said somewhere back he was the vocalist for a band. Im trying not be a dick about it.

[John Holland]

Then again I'm not exactly sober ... so I'll come back tomorrow and see if I agree with what I posted :)

[newHELLonEARTH]

yes i can do the destiny of the slug pig vocals!!! fucking lack of mic.

[Throat Crusher]

Dude, whore yourself out to like fifty fat chicks... and get like 10 dollars a peice, and you can buy a mic... I swear to god, it will work. then you'll have like 450 dollars left.

[newHELLonEARTH]

ah but im lazy. i'll get one eventually.

[Throat Crusher]

Anyways, on saturday Auschwitz Thunder Pig (my band), played a live "invitation only" party for like 5 people. I had before hand punched a hole through our guitarists acustic and my hand was bleeding like shit, so of course i do the death metal thing, and wipe it all over my face, and on my teeth, and put an inverted cross on my head... so it was pretty fucking amazing lol.

[newHELLonEARTH]

hahaha thats fucked :p

[Six_Feet_Under_420]

chris barnes doesn't fucking suck in his old shit :kaioken: or the old cannibal corpse

[Throat Crusher]

chris barnes doesn't fucking suck in his old shit :kaioken: or the old cannibal corpse

What the fuck are you talking about you stupid fucking cunt. At least try and put a quote thing in... Also i agree to some extent, he is good... but his voice wears out realy fast. He's a modern marvel because he is still singing. Vocals on Hammer Smashed Face with Chris are amazing, but he got his ass kicked by the singer of Anal Cunt... ANAL CUNT for christs sake.

[Six_Feet_Under_420]

you stupid fucking cunt.


Thank you :finger: you fucking infernal shitstain...


Anywho I did put a quote in it but i guess it didn't work for some reason :confused:

I liked chris barnes vocals.but then six feet under released bringer of blood. His vocals suddenly sucked uber ass. And I never heard anything by anal cunt to be honest.

[Throat Crusher]

LMAO THEY DELTED POSTS!!!! Then its obvious the question i asked didnt get answered damnit. Could someone try and help me out with the Vocal Fry technique used in black metal, ive searched this forum for it, and havent found much.

[Never!]

http://bloodyzone.danethical.com

CHECK IT OUT!!!

[newHELLonEARTH]

fuck. you trolls can really get annoying.

[powersofterror]

LMAO THEY DELTED POSTS!!!! Then its obvious the question i asked didnt get answered damnit. Could someone try and help me out with the Vocal Fry technique used in black metal, ive searched this forum for it, and havent found much.
That's right, so don't get off topic anymore.

[newHELLonEARTH]

And I never heard anything by anal cunt to be honest.

Chris Barnes Is A Pussy (by Anal Cunt)

YOU HID ON YOUR BUS
YOU WHERE AFRAID OF US
YOU WOULDN'T FIGHT ME CUZ YOU'RE GAY
YOU HAD YOUR ROADIES SAVED TODAY

CHRIS BARNES IS A FAGGOT- YOU'RE FUCKING GAY
CHRIS BARNES IS A FAGGOT- YOU'RE A FUCKING FAGGOT
CHRIS BARNES IS A FAGGOT- YOU'RE BREATH SMELLS LIKE CUM
CHRIS BARNES IS A FAGGOT- YOU LIKE DICKS UP YOUR ASS

YOU'RE A FUCKING MIDGET, SO YOU CAN BLOW GUYS WITHOUT KNEELING
YOU & ALLEN WEST MET AT A GAY BAR AND WANTED TO START A BAND
YOU GOT KICKED OUT OF CANNIBAL CORPSE BECAUSE YOU SUCK
YOU STARTED SIX FEET UNDER AND THEY SUCK TOO

I'LL FIGHT YOU ANYTIME YOU FAG
BUT YOU'LL HAVE YOU'RE RODIES FIGHT FOR YOU
IF YOU SO BRUTAL, WHY WONT YOU FIGHT ME BY YOURSELF
YOU FUCKING CUM GUZZLING FAGGOT HOMO PUSSY

[The Angry Hobbit]

Anyways, on saturday Auschwitz Thunder Pig (my band), played a live "invitation only" party for like 5 people.

AUSCHWITZ THUNDER PIG!!!????!!!???? LMAO!!!! :p

[ivanlagru]

Hey guys.
Recently I have been practising vocals, i play mostly opeth so yeah i have been trying to sound like Akerfeildt. (though i can sound harder if its a good day)
I have the problem most people have with their metal voice, and thats being able to blast the sound out, i can sound quite good, and my friends think so too - but its not exactly loud, its about talking volume. And if I try to yell it, i cant get the same sound. Its either a really bad sounding growl or nothin

How loud are metal bands singing when they are live? Like does Mikael from opeth yell at the top of his lungs, or do some bands just have their vocal levels higher than guitars when they play.
At about talking volume i can sound very close to opeth, its definately rumbling from the back of my throat, and it doesnt hurt after doing it either it just dries my throat out a bit.

So im just wondering how loud do you have to do it, i think i have gotten louder through practice, i used to only be able to do it under my breath.

If you want to keep your voice in good shape and be able to sing for a long time the volume used is quite low...it varies a lot depending of the note or tone you're going for, that's why compression is used and a mike hehe, that's the crucial part. You are using a microphone you don't need to yell in order to sound like you're doing so.
this goes for all the guys who want to do that screaming shit and all...cheers
:beer:

[Shreddist]

Okay... i was on www.hdpvidz.com and downloaded Cradle of Filth- Cradle to enslave (ive never heard them before) and i hated them, but one thing that caught my attention was the singers extra high pitched squeel, is that a falsetto type of singing, what is he doing it sound nearly impossible.

[Shreddist]

Also, can you only scream high if you really really really project it? Because if i dont let 100% loose i cant scream very high. And even if i do go loose it doesnt feel like my voice is going as high as it can. I can sing MUCH highter than i can scream.

[newHELLonEARTH]

I just finished recording inhaled pig/gutterals/whateverthefuck vocals on my band's song, Not uploading it on myspace (don't know if the other members want to keep it) but if anyone's interested in hearing it, PM me.

[newHELLonEARTH]

Update: I have just recorded a death metal-style outhaled growled version of the song, but still containing bits of inhaled gutteral shit, including a 19 second inhale scream (No I don't suck, I can do it longer, it just fits the song.)
Again, if anyone wants to hear it, PM me.

by the way, I suck ass.. so if anyone actually would want to hear it, don't expect anything that good.

[powersofterror]

"Inhale scream".....the very words of that don't make any sense.

[newHELLonEARTH]

I don't know what else to call it, but yeah when you think about it, sounds pretty stupid, hah

[JacksonGuitars07]

I just heard on vh-1 that a lot of stars have given up milk products so they'll have clearer voices. So I'd say the opposite may be truefor growling . But make sure you don't hurt your vocal chords. Research first.

To scream properly you have to be a mother. I know. I'm a mother. I have lungs that go on forever.

Really sucks if you have a milk allergy though. Tobasco sauce works just fine for me.

[newHELLonEARTH]

Really sucks if you have a milk allergy though. Tobasco sauce works just fine for me.
hah, I fucking hate tobasco sauce. Not hot enough, and tastes disgusting IMO.

[MFKR666]

hi i just saw your post and decided to say somthing. the key to screaming relys on three factors.1. what type of music your into.2.how much your willing to put into it.3.the use of distortion or not. now im going to assume that you listen to death metal. in this case i will use the vocal patterns of trevor strnad from the black dahlia murder. he uses a combination of highs and lows. if sang well enough they can be a very leathle combination. before you start you should warm up first.and make shur that you dont have to take a shit (very important!). now to know what your vocal range is start a scream and go from low to high as slow as you can and as hard as you can with out your voice breaking. do this a couple of times and spit out all the shit that came up. now you should be ready to begin. now when you scream its important to use your stomach so when you scream, push like your taking a shit. i know it sounds wierd but i swear it works. now hold it as long as you can and say the word ''wow'' while your doing it. you will hear a sort of shriek that sounds very cool. thats what your looking for. when youve found that then your ready to scream like a mother fucker. if you have any more questions. dont hesitate to post them. i will help as much as i can...Kryla;/ :vampire:

[newHELLonEARTH]

now im going to assume that you listen to death metal. in this case i will use the vocal patterns of trevor strnad from the black dahlia murder.
They aren't death metal, and their vocals suck, IMO. You may like them, but you gotta understand, they aren't death metal, and he doesn't use the standard death metal vocals.

[trepidation]

hey
heres a good thing to try
while practicing growling
try singing now youve got something to die for by lamb of god
or sing
wreath by opeth
if u can master that
your gonna be able to growl like a pro

[Throat Crusher]

Whats up with this Hardcore/Nu-Metal shit being called growling. Im not sure exactly, but I dont know if Lamb of God or Opeth are metal... at all. Every one has their own way of growling. So it will take time to get it too work, and sound right, but it will eventualy come. Here's a few useful tips though, Growl every night, try and do it too a death metal album (not slipknot you faggots), and so on. It wont just come too you if you sit in front of your computer and jack off. Well, unless your of course Bones98.

[Innards-Decay]

They aren't death metal, and their vocals suck, IMO. You may like them, but you gotta understand, they aren't death metal, and he doesn't use the standard death metal vocals.
The low vocals on the first album are a growl, asshat. I'm not going to count the highs too much because they suck dick. BDM is a death metal band, just not brutal.

[Innards-Decay]

hi i just saw your post and decided to say somthing. the key to screaming relys on three factors.1. what type of music your into.2.how much your willing to put into it.3.the use of distortion or not. now im going to assume that you listen to death metal. in this case i will use the vocal patterns of trevor strnad from the black dahlia murder. he uses a combination of highs and lows. if sang well enough they can be a very leathle combination. before you start you should warm up first.and make shur that you dont have to take a shit (very important!). now to know what your vocal range is start a scream and go from low to high as slow as you can and as hard as you can with out your voice breaking. do this a couple of times and spit out all the shit that came up. now you should be ready to begin. now when you scream its important to use your stomach so when you scream, push like your taking a shit. i know it sounds wierd but i swear it works. now hold it as long as you can and say the word ''wow'' while your doing it. you will hear a sort of shriek that sounds very cool. thats what your looking for. when youve found that then your ready to scream like a mother fucker. if you have any more questions. dont hesitate to post them. i will help as much as i can...Kryla;/ :vampire:

That advice sucks. The stuff in th back of your throat keeps you from completely losing your voice, hence why it's good to drink milk, and eat cheese or yogurt. Say goodbye to your voice buddy.

[Innards-Decay]

hey
heres a good thing to try
while practicing growling
try singing now youve got something to die for by lamb of god
or sing
wreath by opeth
if u can master that
your gonna be able to growl like a pro
How about Aeon-Soulburner, I'm sure they can do much more vocally than either of those bands.

[Throat Crusher]

Actualy, even though his newer growls suck try Six Feet Under's Feasting on the blood of the insane, you have to sing it fast lol.

[Innards-Decay]

Actualy, even though his newer growls suck try Six Feet Under's Feasting on the blood of the insane, you have to sing it fast lol.
I don't know, there are bands that sing way faster than that. Try growling along to Slayer-Hell Awaits.

[MFKR666]

your all a bunch of dumb asses. you have to spit that shit out. if you dont then in the middle of a scream that shit is going to come up and the scream will break. and whats all this shit saying that BDM is not death metal? how long have you been listening to metal? five min.? oh yeah. your all nu-metal heads . so things like song structure are meaningless to you. if you even know what that is. so please, dont rip on my advice. i know what im doing. i've been doing this for years. oh and im talking about HIGHS AND LOWS> dumbasses. try doing those with out spitting that shit up. at least he makes more noises than just "ort" and "eee". faggot rookies. learn somthing before you talk to me next time...Kryla;/


P.S> i listened to your vocals. they suck your mammas balls . how old are you 14? wait till your balls drop kid then talk to me.

[MFKR666]

hey
heres a good thing to try
while practicing growling
try singing now youve got something to die for by lamb of god
or sing
wreath by opeth
if u can master that
your gonna be able to growl like a pro



very good, its about time someone with brains posted somthing...Kryla;/

[Throat Crusher]

I don't know, there are bands that sing way faster than that. Try growling along to Slayer-Hell Awaits.
HAHA! I mean music that is actualy possible to Growl too lol.. What you ask would be damn near impossible. Six Feet Under are the only understandable band that growls that I can keep pace with, besides deovurment. Other wise my jaw starts hurting and all that bs. I can keep a growl going for awhile, but I still have work to do on my breathing.

MFKR... ugh sorry to say this, but your gramar is worse than mine. Also, calling other people nu-metal heads is stupid. Your name is based off of the first, and the most horrible, Slipknot album ever made. So please, Kryla shut the fuck up. Corey Taylor is not growling, Anders Colsfini is not growling. Mike Majewski is growling.

[Innards-Decay]

your all a bunch of dumb asses. you have to spit that shit out. if you dont then in the middle of a scream that shit is going to come up and the scream will break. and whats all this shit saying that BDM is not death metal? how long have you been listening to metal? five min.? oh yeah. your all nu-metal heads . so things like song structure are meaningless to you. if you even know what that is. so please, dont rip on my advice. i know what im doing. i've been doing this for years. oh and im talking about HIGHS AND LOWS> dumbasses. try doing those with out spitting that shit up. at least he makes more noises than just "ort" and "eee". faggot rookies. learn somthing before you talk to me next time...Kryla;/


P.S> i listened to your vocals. they suck your mammas balls . how old are you 14? wait till your balls drop kid then talk to me.
Shut the fuck up. You know nothing.

[Throat Crusher]

P.S>I listened to your vocals. they suck your mammas balls . how old are you 14? wait till your balls drop kid then talk to me.

I could ask the same of you, and is sentence structure nothing too you?

[Innards-Decay]

I could ask the same of you, and is sentence structure nothing too you?
hahaha. Just ignore him. He's a dumb ass feggit.

[David(dave)Davidson]

Having trouble with your scream?
then stop dissing each other and save that aggression for when your trying to scream or growl... once your technique is down then the aggression will come naturally and unforced, not unlike the smile on your mothers face when she hears you trying to sing.
Practice makes brutal!

[Throat Crusher]

Speaking of that mother thing, my mom walked in right in the middle of recording a song... It was the damndest thing.

[powersofterror]

I'm insulted that someone almost my age is such an idiot. MFKR666, this is metaltabs.com. There's not a soul here that listens to nu-metal--regardless of age--and if there is, we make fun of that person on every post I'm sure. If you sit there and cough up and hack all the time, of course your voice will thicken. But all you're doing is the same damn thing, only, you're making a "k" sound instead of a "grrr" sound.

Dave, these members are getting whiny at each other because every vocal style in the world has already been discussed more than once. There's not much else to talk about. And if some noob comes along and says he's the best and makes one post here giving crappy advice and never comes back, it's an inevitable flame.

[Throat Crusher]

Well it wasnt crappy advice, its just advice we all already know. Technicaly not every vocal style has been talked about here, some band like Decapitated Prostitute(i doubt this was the name) did some weird ass cow vocal thing on one of their albums. So... theres a new one.

[powersofterror]

And you're being a smartass. Everyone's growl is going to be different, but the technique is most likely the same.

[Throat Crusher]

No seriously... Im not being a smart ass for once. Im so gona get flamed but the band is like Decapitated Prostitute. Hold on let me go look it up...

[Throat Crusher]

Ah fuck me. Its Prostitute Disfigurement, and they do Pig Vocals... all though this is a differnt type of Pig Vocals than like Circle of Dead Children... I guess this is like an actual "Oink... Oink... Squeel" type thing. I read a reveiw like a month ago, and i just looked it up again. Phss oh well.

If you think about it though, cow vocals could be realy cool on a death metal album. Done properly the music could be more tribal than anything. This gives me ideas.

[powersofterror]

oink?

:rofl:
How retarded......


Cow? You mean, like, DEATH FUCKING METAL!!!!! MOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
?
:p

Even if so, it'd still be almost the same technique.

[Innards-Decay]

oink?

:rofl:
How retarded......


Cow? You mean, like, DEATH FUCKING METAL!!!!! MOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
?
:p

Even if so, it'd still be almost the same technique.
Yep. MOOOOO.... REEEEEEEEE!!!

[MFKR666]

yes talk shit bithes. i thrive off youre hate!!!!! :vampire:

[powersofterror]

Shut the fuck up. Either talk vocal styles or get out.

[Throat Crusher]

I think we might just start a new genre Moo Metal, even better Brutal Moo Metal. But there are some people who can imitate animals realy well, and just make the noises and all, pitch shift it lol... and Bam Moo Metal. ;), So tommrow ill post a little demo of my "cow" vocals ;).

yes talk shit bithes. i thrive off youre hate!!!!!

I thrive off your bad spelling. Seriously, I dont even put effort fourth to spell decent, and im still better than you. No offence but are you another one of those mentaly challenged Slipknot fans who wear all black and are a closet icp listener?

[MFKR666]

not an icp fan. but yes, i am a maggot. and yes i do wear all black. but whats wrong with that. and by the way im done blurting off nonsense. i wanted to get my name out there. obviously ive done so...so yeah, ill talk metal from now on. ok? so stop yer bitchin! :vampire:

[Throat Crusher]

I dont know goth kids seem weird. I love metal and all but it seems they only listen to HIM and some realy skanky kids in my school listen to ICP... Anyways post around and dont be an ass. There's not realy much more to cover over Growling this thread is mainly for venting lol.

[JacksonGuitars07]

yes talk shit bithes. i thrive off youre hate!!!!! :vampire:

I thrive off of your newbishness.

[JacksonGuitars07]

not an icp fan. but yes, i am a maggot. and yes i do wear all black. but whats wrong with that. and by the way im done blurting off nonsense. i wanted to get my name out there. obviously ive done so...so yeah, ill talk metal from now on. ok? so stop yer bitchin! :vampire:

Gothic kids suck. You can listen to metal, and still have short hair and wear non-all black clothing. It's scene kids like you that ruin everything.

[powersofterror]

Shut the fuck up everybody with this off topic shit, or this thread fucking closes.

[MMartin]

Well, sorry, i know the screaming topic is brought up a lot, but what am I doing wrong? I've researched this over and over for literally hours and hours and hours and tried every technique on every forum, but theres definetly something I am doing wrong! I cant even get an actual 'scream' out, and when I try to, I usually either throw up or come close to throwing up...what am I doing wrong? I'm not that good with learning how to do something by reading and I know there is something I am misunderstanding here, Is this problem anything simililar to what any of you have experienced? This is so frustrating, I've been at this for about a month and I got nothing? Any advice? Videos? Mp3s? I'll try anything...
Thanks for your help.

[Throat Crusher]

Well, first off look up singing tutorials, and ways to build your diaphragm muscles up. read all 18 pages of this thread, and practice all the time. I suggest practicing to music you listen too a lot of, death metal/black metal/(any)core what ever it be. If your puking, your doing it way wrong. I threw up doing Pig Vocals last week, but that’s because I inhaled too much.

[newHELLonEARTH]

If your puking, your doing it way wrong. I threw up doing Pig Vocals last week, but that’s because I inhaled too much.
hm, I've never had problems like that. Haven't gagged/puked at all, and I have a strong inhale scream/pig vocal. But that would be cool to do on stage.
The only problem with inhaling I have is if I do a long/heavy inhale after doing a regular outward growl, it hurts my temples.

[OpethFan]

It is a very fucking hard thing to explain, i can only try explain exhales coz i have no idea about inhales.

With growls, ill try to explain how i sorta figured it out. I was in the same position as you. I would say that you are throwing up because you are straining your diaphragm really hard, perhaps too hard, but you are forcing the power into the wrong place.

Try yelling, at the top of your lungs (i think this is the hardest part about learning death vocals, its hard to practise them. You cant practise quietly IMO)
Now if you can yell - in your normal voice, you are expelling a lot of air, and using a lot of power from your gut muscles. Especially if you put your all into it.

Now if you can harness that same power, except play around with dropping your voicebox, literally making a 'growl' noise, tongue position (try the top of your mouth), maybe tilting your head down slightly... There are a whoe lot of different things to try which im sure you have read about.
Make sure when you are practising with volume, that you make sure to have regular drinks, and if you find it is hurting too much, to stop for a while. Your vocal strings will thicken and stop hurting, but if you go all out straight away and its hurting, you can fuck them.

When i started it fucking hurt a lot, i have quite a soft talking voice. Now i can go hard and it wont hurt for a long time - so it does work.

I found that once i had the power there, and if i practised being LOUD, thats when it came to me.
You can force as much strain on your stomach muscles ect, but unless you are trying to let the neighbors know about it - you wont get anywhere.

I would classify the vocal style i can get near is that of Necrophagist. Not as brutal yet, but it is practise. If you dont want to be heard trying screams or growls at home, you need to get a band together and practise them where it really doesnt matter.

I hope that somewhat helped, its just an attempt to explain how i do it.

[powersofterror]

Hey Newhell, you're actually not that bad of a growler. You had me fooled with the fact that you're such a little funny lookin' guy;). Your opening growl is cool, though I don't really like growls that don't allow you to understand what the lyrics are. I assume that you barely move your mouth when you growl--and it's either very soft, or it's loud and hard for you to bring out the low gutter end crunch at the same time of trying to form words?

[newHELLonEARTH]

Thanks, well I usually have my mouth in an almost O formation and I growl pretty loudly, but yeah, I should work on enunciating a little better :p

[Fat Bastard]

Warm up by yielling your ass off. you might end up sounding like some Hardcore kid, but it will excersize your throat. Then worry about actually growling. :flame:

[OpethFan]

I think it really helps -

whilst i was at drama school, i managed to take advantage of the qualified professional vocal coaches and experts in breathing techniques that were available to me at the time, to make some study into the biology of what metal vocals are.

in detail, the main system used for metal vocals (lower in the death metal style, and higher in the black metal style) is a constriction, or almost complete coverage, of the false vocal folds during sound being created by the true vocal folds.

i've also managed to teach various people (including non metallers, who were interested) how to reach the point of decent volume and clarity (per se) of voice / sound.

i've had a listen to your track and it appears to be that you're basing your vocal sound on a low volume, breathy approach. whilst i can understand why you'd try that, as it works in a closed environment and sounds similar to the original article you'll hear on record, it's not actually how most do it.

if you can, get yourself somewhere that you can shout and not be interrupted or be in danger of annoying someone. first, make a clean note sound through the "ahhhh" vowel, like you would a normal tone for speech, then stop the note by making the feeling in your throat similar to coughing.

go over this several times and become familiar with the sensation.

then, do the same, but louder. almost to the point of shouting.

as you get louder, you'll hopefully find it harder and harder to stop the note immediately with the throat's action (the false vocal folds). start listening for a slight clip or faltering of tone just before the note completely stops. that's the foundation of the metal vocal sound.

as you do this, try prolonging that clip moment until you're effectively trying to speak at volume *through* this barrier that your throat is making. it will sound harsher and harsher until you'll eventually recognise a familiar tone.

be aware though, the first number of times, i guarantee you, you will both a) be in quite a lot of discomfort and b) sound like a total idiot.

after a while, you'll be able to speak at volume through the clip sound (or barrier). if you're using your normal talking tone of voice, this will be your mid range metal vocal. get used to it, then you can start moving onto other areas of tone, for instance how muhammed uses the kind of cavernous sound in lower vocals (this is found through a specific shape being made with the jaw and initial throat and larynx area, passing resonance back almost as far as the trachea) or the much higher sounds similar to most black metal singers, again a very different technique but all coming from the same origin.

if you've found this at all useful and got any results with it or found that i'm not talking complete shit, let me know and i'll gladly point you further towards other techniques.

H

(examples of what i've managed to reach vocally can be found on the link in my signature, although it's by no means the extent of my range)

[shred_head45]

Alright, I read through about 4 of the first pages to make sure I didnt sound like a complete off track idiot, and ask a question someone already brought up. but after I got through them i said fuck it im gonna ask anyways.

Ive been playing guitar for a while now, and thats not my problem. but I wanna start doing vocals for my band...seeing as we lack a vocalist. I dont wanna be a pussy no-balls eat shit and die kinda singer. I dont really wanna do cannibal corpse stuff either, I mean i have to play guitar aswell. I kinda wanna do sometyhing along the lines of Alexi Laiho's growl/scream cause hes a pretty big inspiration for the guitar, and CoB is one of my favorite bands. My only problem is I dont know where to start, i dont really know to much about vocals and i dont want to completely fuck up my voice. could anyone here give me any tips on how to get a Laiho growl? also how much harm will that bring to my accual voice? (not that I really care, If i get a mean growl like that my voice can shove it)

sorry if im sounding like a stupid Forum noob or some shit like that, i dont really use forums much, just to get tips or something when I need to

any tips would be appriciated

[shred_head45]

fuck, ANYONE?!

[powersofterror]

Alexi does not growl. He does some fruity scream where every word ends with yeah. Trying black metal screaming and adding some "Ow"s to each vowel/consonant.



....:p

[newHELLonEARTH]

hehe good call. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[mortpayne]

I saw a recent thread where I guy said that screaming made his head hurt, and it was all about pressure, etc etc. When I growl for longer than about 20 seconds -- unless it's just really wimpy and lazy and I'm not trying -- I feel some pressure in my nose. Has anybody else experienced this?

[newHELLonEARTH]

that's fucking weird, I can't say I have. And I growl pretty hard/loud/whatever

[mortpayne]

Well, now that I think about it, it might be something as simple as allergies. This time of year could probably build a little pressure in there or something. Not too big of a problem anyway. At least I'm one of the lucky few that don't get a sore throat from it. :)

[newHELLonEARTH]

Heh, same here

[IhateCoF]

Hey guys...I just wanted to get some opinions on my growling for my new band........it would be very much appreciated. hails. Oh yeah, be fucking harsh with your opinions, honest critizism would be cool. Hails. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49529859

[mortpayne]

Hey guys...I just wanted to get some opinions on my growling for my new band........it would be very much appreciated. hails. Oh yeah, be fucking harsh with your opinions, honest critizism would be cool. Hails. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49529859
I think it's pretty good. I can't think of anything I would change. Sounds like some badass black metal-type vocals. I would insult you if I could, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. So you'll just have to settle for a compliment. Sweet band. :beer:

[newHELLonEARTH]

Shitty recording quality, but here's my growls.
http://www.purevolume.com/necrotic

[mortpayne]

Pretty sick, dude (of course, I mean that in a good way). Definitely band-worthy. I'll be interested to hear Necrotic with a drummer -- just keep your signature updated. Good luck with it. Sounds awsome. :lhdevil:

[newHELLonEARTH]

Thanks alot dude, btw you're shitty project isn't too bad either. We probly wont wait for a drummer seeing as it's near imposible to find one, but I'll let ya know when we do. If not, soon enough we'll just make a drum track, re-record it all, and add bass too.

[darkexodite]

newHellonEarth, that was pretty awsome indeed! I like it, keep up the good work. Check out my growls I guess, I think you might like them... http://www.writhen.net/ our myspace link is on that page.

[newHELLonEARTH]

Yeah dude, I already checked it out. I hate how they were mixed into the song, but they are good. :beer:

[Young Drummer]

ice tea isnt good, you really should use warm drinks, like tea, chocolade or warm milk (tastes very good with honey)
my buddy uses milk and he found these candys that work even better than any of the other things hes tried

[Brutality]

Can anyone help me with my screaming techniques? I didn't want to waste another useless post on the boards and i've been following this page for a bit and it's helped me loads but i'm still having trouble.

I start to scream and it doesn't sound very raspy.. then it just breaks and goes into a hideous squeel. It sounds a little like Randy Blythe when i get a good one, but i still want to make it powerful and more raspy. Thanks to this board i went from not being able to scream at all.. To getting a starting sound.. So i was hoping it could help me further.

Thing is.. I can't scream well, but i can growl really easily.. :S

[mortpayne]

How old are you? I don't want to insist that it has to do with voice-cracking, but that may very well be the problem. If so, your voice will grow out of it. If not...hhhmmmm...well, for raspiness, start smoking. You'll probably get some kind of cancer, but just hope it's of the throat that way you can be in a techno band with your electronic voice simulator.

[Brutality]

I'm 17.. My voice broke quite a while ago.. I just find it hard to get words to come out well and keep the raspy sound...

It just kinda sounds like harsh shouting :/

Or like just now.. I start screaming and then all the mucus from my throat goes and i just.. Shout.. ARH IT'S ANNOYING.

[Young Drummer]

im preatty good at screaming so my advice is to do a burp but then do a ruff one then make it more high pitch each time and do that then you can hit the high notes and youl have a good scream in no time

[Innards-Decay]

im preatty good at screaming so my advice is to do a burp but then do a ruff one then make it more high pitch each time and do that then you can hit the high notes and youl have a good scream in no time
No. Just do a growl and open your mouth more.

[Brutality]

The problem i'm having now is that i go light headed and it often kills my head afterwards...

It's not going well for me hahaha.

[IhateCoF]

Thanks for the compliment, Mortpayne. And as for screaming, I just use inhales. (I don't use any inhales in the previous link I posted though, those songs were recorded before I knew how to do them) cheers.

[Brutality]

My scream keeps changing so i'm all over the place currently. However i'm getting a feel for a comfortable scream that doesn't hurt my throat and it's sounding kinda alright haha oh well.. I'll just have to keep practising and checking up here for advice and tips.

[John Holland]

No. Just do a growl and open your mouth more.

+1. Two advantages to this :

1. Growling is malleable. No matter how you sound now, with practice you can change your sound. It seems that with screaming you're just kind of stuck with whatever you sound like.
2. Growling does'nt hurt your throat. If you breathe correctly and have good jaw posture, it won't. Screaming's a different matter for most people, apparently it does'nt bother Jens Kidman. But it would destroy me in about a day.

[The.Jester.Race]

when i breath using my diaphragm it feels a little bit like im not getting enough air so i doubt i can growl well with it. i guess i should experiment more with the diaphragm breathing thing (as soon as i get my growl back.. its already 3 days passed and my voice is still fucked)

[Weltmacht]

Can anyone here give me some tips to do a scream like Varg or Skjeld from Nyktalgia. I'm not really looking for vocals like on the new Sterbend ablum or like Silencer. They are a little bit to 'clean'. I'm looking for a more harsh high pitched scream like the first two vocalists I mentioned.

[Toaster]

Am I correct in saying that the Tony Bullard tutorial thing isn't the correct way to growl? Because I've been practicing my growling (using the Tony Bullard technique) for several months now, and I can't get it to sound very good. Also, someone mentioned above that to scream you "growl, but open your mouth more", and that totally doesn't work for me. I'll upload some clips to demonstrate.

This clip is of me attempting to sing Dechristianize. Yes, there is a click track in the background. I needed it to nail the overdubs.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAO3NCQT

The following clips are of me trying to scream using the Tony Bullard technique. Notice the shittiness.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A8MKG34Z

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5SZLO5TU

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ON2LO0G2

The growling doesn't hurt my throat at all (although it did when I began), even after long periods. The main problems I have with it are that I can't go for very long (9 seconds), I can't scream using it, and it just doesn't sound as smooth as "correct" growling. However, I may be wrong about all this, I might just need more practice. If someone (who can really growl, I don't want to know about the virtues of drinking milk, soda, or honey) could help me out with this, I'd really appreciate it.

This is the Tony Bullard vocal thing, in case you haven't heard it yet.

http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_...l_Tutorial.mp3

[Young Drummer]

Shitty recording quality, but here's my growls.
http://www.purevolume.com/necrotic

sounds preatty good to me mike but the recording is shit

[newHELLonEARTH]

It really is... but yeah thanks Mike.

[Toaster]

Am I correct in saying that the Tony Bullard tutorial thing isn't the correct way to growl? Because I've been practicing my growling (using the Tony Bullard technique) for several months now, and I can't get it to sound very good. Also, someone mentioned above that to scream you "growl, but open your mouth more", and that totally doesn't work for me. I'll upload some clips to demonstrate.

This clip is of me attempting to sing Dechristianize. Yes, there is a click track in the background. I needed it to nail the overdubs.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAO3NCQT

The following clips are of me trying to scream using the Tony Bullard technique. Notice the shittiness.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=A8MKG34Z

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5SZLO5TU

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ON2LO0G2

The growling doesn't hurt my throat at all (although it did when I began), even after long periods. The main problems I have with it are that I can't go for very long (9 seconds), I can't scream using it, and it just doesn't sound as smooth as "correct" growling. However, I may be wrong about all this, I might just need more practice. If someone (who can really growl, I don't want to know about the virtues of drinking milk, soda, or honey) could help me out with this, I'd really appreciate it.

This is the Tony Bullard vocal thing, in case you haven't heard it yet.

http://xscenesterx.org/Tony_Bullard_...l_Tutorial.mp3

Please help me out here, guys. I'm frustrated beyond belief with my vocals these days.

[IhateCoF]

Metus Remedy (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=49529859)

Yeah if I could get some more opinions too that wood be cool...

[XOXemoXOX]

:vampire: hmmmm screaming yeah i have to agree withe beastofcarrion or whatever how his name went it will fuck up your throat i do it from my stomache not the throat

[Requiem]

:vampire: hmmmm screaming yeah i have to agree withe beastofcarrion or whatever how his name went it will fuck up your throat i do it from my stomache not the throat


I hate you and you name

[Brutality]

Right... My scream has gotten a lot better.. I can scream much raspier, it doesn't hurt my throat at all..

However.. I can't hold a note properly.. I can't sing for shit so i'm thinking this will be why.. Is there anyway to learn to hold a note?

[The.Jester.Race]

Does anyone know why the fuck is the longest growl i can project about 6 seconds?

[Cunty Shunt]

I hate you and you name
:rofl: Awesome.

[Brutality]

I hate you and you name

That's spelt 'your' by the way :homer:

[Defiant Mind]

Right... My scream has gotten a lot better.. I can scream much raspier, it doesn't hurt my throat at all..

However.. I can't hold a note properly.. I can't sing for shit so i'm thinking this will be why.. Is there anyway to learn to hold a note?

I had that problem too at first.. you just need a bit more practice.

[Chorbalan]

Hi, I have been playing guitar for around 3 years now, and I want to form a band where I sing as well. I would like to have some growls in there, but I do not know where to start about learning how to growl. Also are there different ways of learning different growls? Personally I like Jari Mempaa's growls in Wintersun and Ensiferum. As well as the guy from Dark Tranquility (forgot his name sry). So any help in getting started would be greatly apreciated, thanks.

[SolothurN]

does ANYONE here know how to do growls like the one guy does in Kataklysms 'Road to devastation'? the one voice with lyrics: 'Son confront me...','Kneel before me...' ? any advices how to get sound like that?

[The.Jester.Race]

I didnt wanna open a thread for this, but lol, Lordi owned the eurovision
I was like, wtf o0?
The song they played is called "Hard Rock Halleluja" and is crappy ofcourse (kind of like heavy pop), but it's so cool that finland actually sent these guys and won :p

[mortpayne]

Does anyone know why the fuck is the longest growl i can project about 6 seconds?
I know this is a late reply, but isn't that pretty normal for growling? 5 or 6 is about all I can do without fucking up. Who have you heard do longer that makes you want to simulate?

[The.Jester.Race]

I know this is a late reply, but isn't that pretty normal for growling? 5 or 6 is about all I can do without fucking up. Who have you heard do longer that makes you want to simulate?

I think Jacob said in his very nice ( :D ) growling/screaming/singing guide that he can hold a growl for 15+ secs
o_______________O

[mortpayne]

I guess this thread is sometimes used for criticism. I posted in the "my riffs" thread to see what people think about the guitars, but I'm sure I need more help with the vocals. It's my cover of "Devil's Dance" (see my sig for the link -- it's the first song). Aside from doing a death growl, this style is usually how I sing to metal music. But it's clearly flawed. Keep in mind that I'm getting over a cold, and since I had to sing along with only my quiet computer speakers I couldn't really get loud. But enough excuses -- it's fairly close to what I usually sound like. Any pointers? Anthing about it I should keep?

(and yeah, I know it may not work right now, as when I last checked it the songs were still uploading, but they should be there before long)

UPDATE: Yep, they're up now (finally). :beer:

[Formaldehyde]

I'm having a few problems and coming across this thread, I was wondering if someone would be able to help. I'm a female and my band was looking for someone to do some back-up vocals. I've always wanted to scream so I thought I'd try to practice and give it a shot. Under my breath I have a great scream and I know I can do it. But when I actually go to, I breathe out from my diaphram(sp?) and all and force all I can out, but my voice ends up just cracking very badly. I was wondering how do you get around this?

[mortpayne]

I'm having a few problems and coming across this thread, I was wondering if someone would be able to help. I'm a female and my band was looking for someone to do some back-up vocals. I've always wanted to scream so I thought I'd try to practice and give it a shot. Under my breath I have a great scream and I know I can do it. But when I actually go to, I breathe out from my diaphram(sp?) and all and force all I can out, but my voice ends up just cracking very badly. I was wondering how do you get around this?
If you're forcing it, don't. Trying to belt out an extreme, natural scream will cause things like cracking for some people. Not to mention plenty of damage if you're not careful. Don't try to make it the loudest thing possible (after all, you've got a mic and a volume knob). Experiment with your voice and try to find something that's different than your natural scream. At least more controlled and designed. Just remember that force isn't what it's about -- it's about tone. And though you may have a nice tone when you're cursing out the neighbors, you'll probably need to alter it a little till you find what's comfortable for singing in a band. Just listen to a bunch of different voices (screaming or not) and fool around with your own. It can be a lot of fun, and it almost always ends up with a good vocal style that fits you personally.

[mortpayne]

Here's a random (slightly stupid) question. Steven Tyler (yeah, that Steven Tyler) has one weird scream/shriek thing going on. Paul McCartney did it a few times at the end of "Hey Jude", and there's been a commercial on about Rhapsody or some music website that's playing an otherwise annoying song that has it. The only lyric I can recall is "in a cubical". Anyway, he has a similar scream. I like it for some reason. Sounds like a baboon getting ass-raped. So I was wondering if anybody had any tips on how to do this. (the scream, not the ass-rape)

[Formaldehyde]

If you're forcing it, don't. Trying to belt out an extreme, natural scream will cause things like cracking for some people. Not to mention plenty of damage if you're not careful. Don't try to make it the loudest thing possible (after all, you've got a mic and a volume knob). Experiment with your voice and try to find something that's different than your natural scream. At least more controlled and designed. Just remember that force isn't what it's about -- it's about tone. And though you may have a nice tone when you're cursing out the neighbors, you'll probably need to alter it a little till you find what's comfortable for singing in a band. Just listen to a bunch of different voices (screaming or not) and fool around with your own. It can be a lot of fun, and it almost always ends up with a good vocal style that fits you personally.

Alright, I'll give that a try. All i've heard from people are to force it and let it go, so i've been trying and it doesn't really help at all. I just need a way to get my voice out and actually sound helf decent :)

[ZRO]

First off,im new.

Second,Im looking to try to acheive a sort of Corpsegrinder voice,any advice?

[newHELLonEARTH]

Thick neck. haha

Wow, I just did and recorded a 30 second long scream.

[Formaldehyde]

Thick neck. haha

Wow, I just did and recorded a 30 second long scream.

Post? I'd be really interested to hear this.
What are some tecniques people use to hold their scream? I can probably hold mine 5-6seconds tops.

[Cunty Shunt]

Thick neck. haha

Wow, I just did and recorded a 30 second long scream.
You bastard, I've only gotten 27. I must attempt to beat this now.

[Unanything]

Sorry, I've destroyed all of those.
I've got recorded a minute-long growl.
I've not managed to get it again since.

[The.Jester.Race]

Sorry, I've destroyed all of those.
I've got recorded a minute-long growl.
I've not managed to get it again since.

how the fuck.
i doubt i can make a growl longer than 5-6 seconds =[

[JesterRace]

Sorry, I've destroyed all of those.
I've got recorded a minute-long growl.
I've not managed to get it again since.

i don't think you did a minute...that could probably do brain damage :stoned:

[The.Jester.Race]

i don't think you did a minute...that could probably do brain damage :stoned:

oh man.. one of us has to change his nick now :p

[JesterRace]

there is another guy named TheJesterRace too with no periods lol

[Cunty Shunt]

Sorry, I've destroyed all of those.
I've got recorded a minute-long growl.
I've not managed to get it again since.
Oh, I've done more than a minute growling, but actual screaming takes more out of you.

[newHELLonEARTH]

I'll post it when I get home, although I don't think it actually sounds all that great.

[newHELLonEARTH]

K, it's uploaded on the Krossa band page (check sig). in the first song. (I'm on .44 and Violence..ect, the song with the 30 second scream.)

[Cunty Shunt]

K, it's uploaded on the Krossa band page (check sig). in the first song. (I'm on .44 and Violence..ect, the song with the 30 second scream.)
Nice. It sounds like you're dying.

[newHELLonEARTH]

Haha, kinda does doesn't it.

[Lichmistress]

That scream kicks ass!
How the fuck did you pull that off?
Very impressive!

[squibee]

Either out of boredom, stupidity, or bravery, I decided to read this whole thread. However I am still left with one very noobish question: when you scream, are you actually screaming? like full volume with the mic away from your mouth?

[CAPCOPSNOW]

no not really unless you have vocal chords made of leather

[newHELLonEARTH]

Either out of boredom, stupidity, or bravery, I decided to read this whole thread. However I am still left with one very noobish question: when you scream, are you actually screaming? like full volume with the mic away from your mouth?
Well I sure as fuck didn't whisper that.

[Rotten-To-The-Core]

does anybody have any tips to get that chuck schuldiner or john tardy vocal style down. old school death metal vocals do be more specific for the ignorant fuck who doesnt know those guys.

[hell_born]

see my problem is I can scream quite whell, and do raspy black metal esqe voccals, sounding like sound of preservence death on a lower octive, or satyr from satyricon on a higher octive...but i cant seem to grasp death metal voccals.


i maneged to do it once by sort of gargaling saliva and pushing air up from my diaphram. it was cool, it sounded like muhamed from necrophagist, or the guy from morbid angel (gateways era).

could some one help me whith an alternative or easier way to do it?

also dose annyone know how to do inhale voccals?

[Brutality]

I can scream and growl like a pro now and even pig squeal. Sick.

[I <3 SANDWICH]

I do love brutal vocals

[IhateCoF]

Hypocrisy The Eraser (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=97899488&MyToken=c9bb75f9-f502-420b-9352-81695b54a006)

This is my version of Hypocrisy's The Eraser...hmmm...feedback would be nice....hope you enjoy. Now go slaughter some infants.

[skiz]

My problem, which i was wonderin if any one could give me some advice on, is this :

My "scream" sounds pretty cool at low volume. Just slightly louder than a whisper. If i start trying to push it louder it just turns into a yell, which is really not what im going for. How can i maintain the sound of my scream but push the volume up to a decent level?

[- EXILE -]

I do the same thing so I just stick with Growling, im sure with pracitice youll get better tho, maybe try vocal lessons.

[ZRO]

First off,im new.

Second,Im looking to try to acheive a sort of Corpsegrinder voice,any advice?


Anyone? Not his EXACT voice but just straight up brutal.
I drink milk a lot but it dosnt really make a difference.

[CAPCOPSNOW]

i have a hard time screaming so i just started pushing my growl higher sort of in my throat... i heard thats really bad but ive had no problems or serious pain

[- EXILE -]

If you wana sound like Corpsegrinder go out and buy some Cannibal Corpse CDs, or download them, and just keep death grunting for as long as it takes untill you sound similar, probly about 4 months or so. Drink heeps of water and Recored yourself every now and then so you can pick up on your faults and correct them.

[Malice777]

ok everybody. you are all gr8. thankyou for all the tips.
but i really need help with my situation. im trying out for a punk/hardcore band in less than one week. there are a few things im worried about for the try-outs
1. I usually need to sing about 5 songs be4 i can make a decent scream. that can be a problem for me right? I dont wan to take forever before i can do a good scream.
2. There's another scream i have..I can scream in a certain way that sounds so sic. but its quiet. i can't really call it a scream. i have never used a PA box or mic be4 for singing or screaming. so idk if this is valid for a scream.
3. everybody is talking about the diaphram. i know what you mean i know what the diaphram is. but i do not know what you mean by sing with that instread of yer throat. when i singt or scream. i tighten my abbs press my throat and breath deeply in betweenm every word possible. is this corrrect? or is it bad. it makes me nervous on how i should sing.
4. after about 3 swongs of screaming. i completely screw up my singing voice!! how can i fix this?!

please help me every1!!!!! i really wanna make this band!!
help me VERY soon!!!
:beer:

[Planisphaerium]

Ah shucks, my problem is real weird, I can do really good bullfrog/guttural exhales (and crappy inhales, but they don't really interest me anyways) and every brutal DM fan i know says they're good, but I can't do regular growls. How do you guys do these? Everytime I try them they turn into half assed screams :( . (Oh and by the way, by regular growls I mean mostly suffocation style growls)

[\/\/1LL]

ok everybody. you are all gr8. thankyou for all the tips.
but i really need help with my situation. im trying out for a punk/hardcore band in less than one week. there are a few things im worried about for the try-outs
1. I usually need to sing about 5 songs be4 i can make a decent scream. that can be a problem for me right? I dont wan to take forever before i can do a good scream.
2. There's another scream i have..I can scream in a certain way that sounds so sic. but its quiet. i can't really call it a scream. i have never used a PA box or mic be4 for singing or screaming. so idk if this is valid for a scream.
3. everybody is talking about the diaphram. i know what you mean i know what the diaphram is. but i do not know what you mean by sing with that instread of yer throat. when i singt or scream. i tighten my abbs press my throat and breath deeply in betweenm every word possible. is this corrrect? or is it bad. it makes me nervous on how i should sing.
4. after about 3 swongs of screaming. i completely screw up my singing voice!! how can i fix this?!

please help me every1!!!!! i really wanna make this band!!
help me VERY soon!!!
:beer:

Sorry this is late, but if you haven't head of MELSSA CROSS, then you're in for a treat visit http://melissacross.com/home.php? Her DVD, vocal instruction for a new breed is amazing. You should NOT scream from your throat. I know it sounds good for a while, but it's brutal, and this is why it only lasts so long. eventually your vocal chords tear and rip and swell, this is why it's so bad. really, you need to be pushing up by flexing your abs, and opening up your throat. Imagine your scream is a marble rolling along the back of your esophogus, and eventually through the nasal passage. this will engage your FALSE chords and takes some time to learn, but will definately save you in the end. hope this helps, and you read this

[\/\/1LL]

p.s. how'd the tryouts go?

[Malice777]

well actually the try outs were delayed for one week so its good that i get more practice. but every1 one was busy so we couldn't do anything.

here's another question i can hopefully get answered.
i know exactly how to push and tighten my abs for to sing gr8 with my diaphram. but how would i scream like that? the way i scream its to push my diaphram but also use my throat so give it the scratchiness. how do i push my diaphram without using the throat for screaming? if i dont use my throat it'll jut be yelling. i want to scream not yell.

is it something to do with a mic or what?

[\/\/1LL]

I don't know much about mics and live sound, but essentially you want to obtain the "scratchiness" by shape. like when a balloon's air is let out and you streach the opening, it gets the sound you want to obtain with your voice, so yes your throat needs to shape the sound, but using your false cords and you need to try to force the sound out through your nasal passage. Now I know that's not literally possible, but it's the analogy we're going for. by trying this, it uses the top part of your throat (where your false chords are) Also, it depends on how important this is to you, but if you want advice from the person who taught Slipknot, Underoath, Lamb of God, God Forbid, From Autumn to Ashes and TONS MORE, all you need to do is email them at this link https://www.melissacross.com/crossEmailEval.php and with a fee (i don't know how much it costs), but she'll get back to you 48 hours. and yes, the person is a Woman. there's also a phoneline, where you can talk to Melissa and you need a credit card for that, and the phone # is: 212-736-3789.........good luck

[Malice777]

thanks a lot man. for all the tips and shit.

but one problem is that im kinda young and i dont have a credit card or any options to buy anything on the internet. which is basically why im on the forum for this site.
is age havin anything to do with it? im in my mid-teen years. and i dont know if my voice wiill get deeper by like ago 18 to 25 so it can screa better. most people that are in the screaming type bands are those age. so im just kinda with no clues on how to improve my voice without hurting it. and i want to be able to scream like early avenged sevenfold and from autumn to ashes.
but anyways thanks for all teh help. :angel:

when i ge tthe try-outs done ill post how they went :)

[\/\/1LL]

Okay, Im 17, and my voice isn't very low either, even funnier, my brother is 15, and can imitate Lamb Of God Vocals. Don't worry about your voice as it is. Just don't scream in a way that it hurts. I'll try to explain this weird way of screaming and it may be hard, but here goes. First, to try to get the scream out of your nasal passage try barring your teeth as a dog would when he's about to bite you. expose your upper teeth, and you nose should naturally scrunch up. in this position force air out through your mouth and nose using your diaphram. Also, keep your tongue flat in your mouth with the tip against the inside of your bottom teeth, This is (about) supposed to be how you begin using your "false chords", See how this feels. Just try to imagine a "nasal sound" and try to imitate Marge Simpson's voice. I'm not kidding, and Even if you eventually want a more gutteral sound, this is how you have to start so you don't hurt your self, cuz a band won't want a vocalist who only has 3 or 4 songs in he/she. Now try huming with your mouth closed and try to do it as loud as you can. Can you get the buzzing to vibrate within your head? Do your ears itch? If So, you're figuring it out. Now incorporate this buzzing sensation into the Marge voice through your nose. With the two, essentially You should be able to scream safely and at any volume for as long as you want. Keep at it, It isn't easy, but I guarentee it, any vocalist who wants to scream AND sing, this is how they do it. If you'll never sing, or want to sing in your career, then by all means do what's right for you? still have questions?, keep typing I'll try to help

[opaner]

How do you go from the marge simpson voice to the scream? I bought the zen of screming but i thought she was really vauge when it came to screaming. I cant figure out how to go from the marge simpson voice to a scream

[\/\/1LL]

Okay, I see what you mean, she is pretty vague there. umm. THe marge simpson voice is just to engage the false chords and get away from using your throat without destroying it. You keep forcing the air out in the same way, but reall push with the diaphram and force a bit harder. Keep trying to tweak what you're doing and keep your throat in the same position as to not kill it. (there is a follow up cd on heat/fire I have yet to buy, cuz I'm curious) if you happen or anyone for that matter happens to get it, let me know how it is.

[Malice777]

hey i went to the try outs on saturda and i was so fucking nervous OMG!!!
i sang and i thought i sounded really shaky and weirdf.
but they seemed to really like it. ive talked to them and they seem to really want me, so im really happy about that. they just want to hear if i sound any good recorded and stuff like that.
so ya thanks for the tips and everything!!
but i could really still improve. so if there's anyone experienced that has some good advice i would really appreciate it. :beer:

[\/\/1LL]

sweet man, good job, good luck!
let me know if or when you guys record anything

[Toaster]

Melissa Cross sucks balls. Worst technique on earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdjoK8D6DwI

She's actually against pushing hard.

[Requiem]

She is horrible. She gives her self way to much credit for the shit she does. which isnt even good

[zaksriffer]

don't know if this is the right place for this but i guess someone will tell me quick enough... id love some feedback on a scream i do in hallowed be thy name on my myspace profile..its about 4mins into the song and just before the guitar solos..if u wanna check it out the address is www.myspace.com/chrisleadscreams ..any constructive critisism would be great cheers..

[ZRO]

Um i made a topic about black metal vocals can anyone explain it please?

[screamface78]

whell some tips would be practice the voice cause i have this super weird scream thing and at first i had trouble using it but later kept it because of practicing so try to do it each day and growls are harder than screaming

[USS]

A good grunt (or growl as it is called in this thread) needs practice. For me, it took something like four years to get one. I practice every day, no matter where, except for the classroom when I have college. People sometimes think it necessary to look strange if I do so, and they are right, but I really enjoy.
There are also some grunters you'd better not try to imitate, like Robert Westerholt of Within Temptation on their first CDs. His grunt does not make sense. It sounds more like gargling than grunts. But try some black metal bands, like Dimmu Borgir, Graveworm, BDM, and more of that kind.
By the way, the BDM screams are not difficult. Just grunt without trying to get a deep sound. Open your mouth like you are calling someone quite far away. This I hope will make you be a good screamer of BDM songs. Good luck!

[Doometal76]

Just recently my friend and I decided to leave our death metal band and start a black metal band. I was all for it because personally I like BM more than I do DM. The problem is is that my vocal strength is DM growls ...well, they sound like Stefan from Graveworm and Peter from November's Doom growls but I can't get them as loud as I'd like. Anyway, back to the point, I need a more BM voice for my new band. I am unable to reach any high note (I was in a grindcore band before the DM band and I screamed a lot, and now I can't) anymore so I was wondering what I can do to possibly fix that. Bassically what I'm looking for is advice on how to go from DM to BM and on how to hit high notes without having to screech, since when I try to hit a high note with a clean voice nothing happens, I sound like I'm whispering and it's really embarrassing since I've always thought of myself as a vocalist. I'm only 16, so does this have any effect on my abilities as a BM/DM vocalist? Any help would be appreciated.

[USS]

...well, they sound like Stefan from Graveworm...
The guy is called Stefano, for he is Italian.

[belphegor79]

Use your stomach. It's like lifting heavy objects, where you need strong legs. Start from the stomach, and appropriately bridge the gap between your stomach and throat. If you just use your throat as the power source, you'll lose your voice.

[DestinationChaos]

Hello all.
I've been trying to nail this screaming/growling thing for a few months now, I thought I had exhales down (all I did was use the phlegm in my throat and push a whisper) but it proves to be a tad unreliable, It cracks and cuts in and out, and judging by the way other people do it and describe it, I don't think that's the right way. I am able to do inward lows and highs, but that's not quite what I'm going for, (plus I heard it burns your chords out) unless I wanna pig squeel and whathave you.

I had been sifting through many posts, threads, and articles across the internet and still the true exhale scream method that I can understand eludes me. I just wanna know if I'm heading in the right direction. finally, here's my question; I can attain one of those high pitched girly screams or shrieks (like she saw a rat or an axe murderer or even that girl scream in the beginning of that job for a cowboy song), can I use that to work off of to get a good exhale? and if so, how?

[USS]

I am screaming and grunting for up to four years now, and this is how it worked for me:

I started with the first After Forever CD (Prison of Desire) and tried to imitate Sander Gommans, which the first months went quite bad, because I was gorgling rather than grunting. It sounded like nothing at all. It was even worse than Robert Westerholt from Within Temptation. Then my brother sayd that even a bass guitar would sound harder than me, so I tried to make it sound harder. Had problems with it first, but some months practice helps alot. I then bought the second After Forever CD (Decypher) and went on.
Good hint between the lines: do not try to imitate Robert from WT, because it is fucked up.
Some times after that (about half a year) I decided to try grunt things from Dimmu Borgir, and I am two years further. Now everyone in my prev highschool liking grunts wants me to teach them. I of course say 'no' everytime, because you have to teach it yourself by listening to ones that CAN grunt.

You'll have to force your voice (not too much in the beginning, for you'll get very sick then), else you will not hear any grunt.

The grunters considered good in this forum most of the time ARE good. So try them out.

[ZRO]

I was looking to try out Tomas Lindberg's style, Slaughter Of The Soul era.

Can anyone do it, if so, can you explain it to me?

[SolothurN]

the vocal in Kataklysm's 'Road to Devastation'... the one singing 'Son confront me, kneel before me'... is it inhale vocal?

[ZRO]

the vocal in Kataklysm's 'Road to Devastation'... the one singing 'Son confront me, kneel before me'... is it inhale vocal?

It sounds like it. Its a guest vocal appearance by Tim Roth from Into Eternity. But im not 100% sure its inhale.

[JOAMdude]

i searched through all of the thread and couldn't realy find much

can someone explain to me how to do BM vox
from the ground up? i have absolutely no idea
very descriptive please

[JOAMdude]

^

[JOAMdude]

^

[crustcorestenchhead9]

its really hard to explain. other people who can scream that i know have said they figured it out themselves and so have i. its really hard to teach someone these things ill try though. to get the idea of what your trying to do, do one of them wisper screams that sound like the BM screams. and if you feel your neck tense up and widen out sorta its the right concept. the tensing up you should be feeling is widening your neck out but you want it more tense so that if you were too look into the mirror in your mouth the dangley thing should go "up" and only the tip of it visable and the flaps on the side should close in to the area the dangly thing is. once you can get all of those you should be able to use a louder voice than a whisper and you should get that sound. so the whole concept is to close your throat up so you get a higher pitched sounds. and again its hard to teach people these things so this may not make any sence at all. hope it helps...

[JOAMdude]

tank you
ill walk a mile into the woods and try it out ;) :p

[ZRO]

I was looking to try out Tomas Lindberg's style, Slaughter Of The Soul era.

Can anyone do it, if so, can you explain it to me?


^

[disfigured]

Heeeellppp. I can do both the growl and the scream, but I do them REALLY loud, and it's the only way I can do them. They sound alright. Kind of like Windir or Viking metal or something. It doesn't hurt or anything but it does have issues. I can only scream for about 4 seconds before I have to take a huge woof of a breath. I eventually get dizzy and you can eventually hear me panting like a dog in between screams.. Does anyone know a way to have the same sound but make it a little easier on me? When I try to make it quieter my voice gets very crackly, and wimpy and it sounds really bad...

Also.. A lot of people had unanswered inhale questions.. Unlike the exhale, I've almost mastered the inhale. I can hold a loud inhale for 1 minute, ahah. I do in the style of prostitute disfigurement but not as good because he's fucking awesome.. and the cleaner kind too.
So heres my explanation:
It can vary a lot, but this can get you started, and you can mess around to get different sounds. If you're a poser, do not do inhales, because to get the most awesome sounds, you have to make ugly faces.

First... Force down the back of your tongue, where you tonsils are into your throat..... It should feel as if you're choking yourself a bit.. Make your mouth a very small O shape and inhale softly. You should feel a soft rumble right where you are choking yourself with your tongue... This is how you do a deep inhale.. It probably wont sound deep at first, and you'll have to work on it.. make your throat as wide as possible, while keeping the choke feeling and you'll eventually get it.. This is what I like to call a wet inhale.. If you obtain control over that little rumble feeling you felt, you can move it around your thoat.. If you move it to the top... I like to call this a dry inhale because you are not using any mucus.. It is more difficult, and it sound rougher, but it can eventually get deeper than the wet inhale...

After you've mastered this you can do the high... That shouldnt be hard... never open your mouth wide like you're screaming.. you'll probably cough... Maintain I small O shape but make your mouth tighter.. Make your throat tighter as well and use the top portion to do a pig squeel noise.. You may not think this sound very good, but once you've mastered it, you can move onto the DUAL VOICE INHALE

This is easiest to start at at a very loud volume.. so if you can do the others at a loud volume without coughing, you're probably ready.. Do the deep one very hard a bunch of times and you'll eventually squeak like the high one... You'll struggle between the two but just do it very hard until you get it... deep is priority.. Although you can probably hear it, to everyone else the high will usually overpower the deep, so make the high as quiet as possible, and the deep as loud as possible.. A wet dual inhale will sound eerie and a dry one will sound brutal!! Try it

[disfigured]

Haha. By mucus, I meant saliva.
I don't eat boogers.

[lilpsycho41591]

:flame: II need some tips on how to get better I can growl pretty good sometimes but most of the time I sound like ___! I wanna know how to do it properly, but need it in words that won't make it seem complicated, I can't do the scream like every time I do it, it sounds like ___! I need some info on that, I really am interested in growling and screaming because I am starting a hardcore punkrock, metal band and I am lead vocals and lead guitar player!!! I wanna sound something like opeth or bullet for my valentine!

[MyOwnSavior]

Chew Your Fingers (http://www.mediafire.com/?62ct2yil9p1)

When I first got my laptop I recorded this to test the mic and the recorder program. My voice cracks at the beginning but I'm kinda happy with the rest. This isn't me at my best but it's pretty good I guess.

[\m/Eat At Joe's\m/]

GREAHT LULZ111 GUD SINGING GHREJT LUL1!!!

[THE SEDUCTION]

this goes out to dying-oath yer close your throght and force the air threw sounds like the best way to do it if you wanna eff your vocal chords

[FleshFiend]

Well, personally I think that everyone is different when it comes to the metal vocals, no matter what super-specific genre. I used to be able to do the 'whisper' technique pretty well, and could RARELY get my voice loud...

But what really changed things for me was this:

I went to a Six Feet Under concert in summer of '05, and when they were playing I screamed along with all the (good) songs. After the show I went around talking to the various metalheads there as well as many of the members of the bands that had played that night. My voice didn't sound ANYTHING like me, and it sounded as if I'd been smoking cigs my entire life from birth :stoned: (I don't smoke...cigs). Less than a month after this incident of extreme yelling and attempts to growl, I suddenly realized that not only did I have EXCELLENT range out of seemingly nowhere, my voice was now loud to the point that it would hurt my friends' ears if I screamed/growled as loud as I could whilst directing towards them.

My entire point is that I simply broke my voice in and then practiced religiously from there. Now, that may not work for some (or even a lot) of you, but it did for me...

Then again, as I said, everyone is completely different

THE END :beer:

[SuspendedByTheThroat]

Well, personally I think that everyone is different when it comes to the metal vocals, no matter what super-specific genre. I used to be able to do the 'whisper' technique pretty well, and could RARELY get my voice loud...

But what really changed things for me was this:

I went to a Six Feet Under concert in summer of '05, and when they were playing I screamed along with all the (good) songs. After the show I went around talking to the various metalheads there as well as many of the members of the bands that had played that night. My voice didn't sound ANYTHING like me, and it sounded as if I'd been smoking cigs my entire life from birth :stoned: (I don't smoke...cigs). Less than a month after this incident of extreme yelling and attempts to growl, I suddenly realized that not only did I have EXCELLENT range out of seemingly nowhere, my voice was now loud to the point that it would hurt my friends' ears if I screamed/growled as loud as I could whilst directing towards them.

My entire point is that I simply broke my voice in and then practiced religiously from there. Now, that may not work for some (or even a lot) of you, but it did for me...

Then again, as I said, everyone is completely different

THE END :beer:




largely it's because being in a loud adrenaline increasing environment did "break your barrier"
you learned how to actually project.
adrenaline and passion
aswell as having to hear yourself
WILL help you increase your vocals
thats why when i go to a show that my band is playing at I throw down and get in the pit, listen to heavy music on the way there and kareoke to it, etc.
move around alot on stage, cuss at the cowd, etc
really really helps.


;)

[ExhumedCarcass]

Disfigured you actually answered your own question in your post. You don't have the lung compasity for the exhales BECAUSE of your inhales. Doing inhales over and over actually decreases your lung capacity because you are not actually drawing enough oxygen into your lungs while doing them. There are various exercises that can be used to increase your lung capacity but your best bet is to cut down heavily on doing the inhales and just focus on the exhales. They'll get there eventually with enough practice.

[J.V.]

^ That actually doesn't make any sense (to me at least).
Can you provide medical/scientific basis to what you said there?

[ExhumedCarcass]

I'm not a scientist, nor am I aware of any studies that have been done on the subject but based on 8 years of doing death metal vocals of all sorts I've noticed a decrease in my actual lung capacity whenever I do inhales for extended periods of time. It doesn't happen overnight but over the coarse of a couple months it changed noticably in a negitive way. I theorized this was do to the fact that by slowly pulling in the air for the inhales I wasn't getting the proper quantity of oxygen needed in comparison to the amount that was being used by my body. In theory it would work the opposite if you limited yourself on how often you do them and used them as a building technique as opposed to actual vocals, meaning it would work like holding your breath to increase lung capacity but againan abundance of rest is required between doing so for it to have a possitive result. Made sense to me...

[J.V.]

^ Well, can't argue with experience either...
I just don't want to trust people just like that and later pass the wrong information to other people who might ask me.

[denimattack]

alright, i havent read through the many pages of thread here.


my predicament for screaming, sometimes i can get it,

im still experimenting on what works for me. when i do have it, i can get good rasp, no pain whatsoever, but when i swallow, clear my throat, or move to clean vox, i cant get back to the scream sound.

im not sure i am even doing it right, i just think im about half way there

anyone know what i am doing wrong?

[metalhead220]

sometimes that happens 2 me....ur throat might be dry....try drinking some more water or eating a little honey

[CAPCOPSNOW]

it might be keeping your throat moist i dont really know because i dont sing but ive heard theres special practice techniques you use when switching between singing and screaming i dont think theyd be that hard to find

[nureintier]

Melissa Cross sucks balls. Worst technique on earth.
Well I woudn't say "sucks balls,: see below for my opinion, but none of what I heard on the DVDs sounded good to me, I have to admit.

How do you go from the marge simpson voice to the scream? I bought the zen of screming but i thought she was really vauge when it came to screaming. I cant figure out how to go from the marge simpson voice to a scream
She doesn't even really go into it until Zen of Screaming 2, which is separate (I mean, unless you bought them both at once, and you seem not to have), which disappointed me. The exercises could be useful for anyone though, esp. if you havent had vocal lessons in the past. In all honesty though I found the DVDs to not be very useful for what I was going for (black metal) because she just goes over low death growls and screaming and vocal fry. I mean it wasn't directly useful, it's not that I didn't get anything out of it. I don't regret buying them, though, it was interesting to hear her talk about things and see the camera-down-the-throat footage and so on.
can someone explain to me how to do BM vox
from the ground up? i have absolutely no idea
very descriptive please...
I sound like I'm whispering and it's really embarrassing since I've always thought of myself as a vocalist. I'm only 16, so does this have any effect on my abilities as a BM/DM vocalist? Any help would be appreciated.
Practice! I've seen so many people try to explain BM vocals but I still feel the only thing that works is practice. Play some CDs of band you like and know the words to. Scream along. Have fun and gain confidence by singing along and trying different things (rather than just imitating your favorite vocalist) and then try to develop a style that works for you. And have something to drink nearby to ward off coughing fits. It is also good clean fun to listen to non-BM bands and scream over them doing BM vox.

I really don't think anyone can explain it. Just be more vocal in general. Do stuff with your voice. Imitate your pets. Growl/scream along to CDs. Don't be self-conscious, just realize that sometimes you will sound silly and get over it. I honestly think the biggest barrier is that people don't practice and experiment enough.

[hail killizm]

WTF??? how can a diaphragm make a sound???? man you guys are realy confusing me.. what are those vocal chords for???

[metalhead220]

the diaphragm doesnt exactly make the noise itself but puts force behind it.....to get a better understanding of it n i hate 2 say it go on youtube n search "how to scream".....theres a few good ones that will come up

[hail killizm]

I know the use of diaphragm but these posts are confusing me... lol

[quisuasia]

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hey after reading all the pages and watchin the cross dvd and listening to screamers.....everyone is contradicting everyone else. so this came to a conclusion in my head - everybodys throats are different, different techniques work for some but not for others, everyone can scream just different pitches n tones.
but ..... im in a band that wants me to scream, now im aiming for more of a corey scream (the knot) i used to have it when i was sitting down in front of my moniter screamin hell into it doin tracks like the rich man - roadrunner united. and over the last year ive lost or cant remember what i did. im not sure if i just drank lots of room temp coke, cuz when i drink water my throat doesnt feel coated or hydrated at all. so quite recently ive been practicing and its there sometimes but its not there otheres so this is where i go onto breathing and throat positions.....
people say let the air go into ur stomach and use that not ur diaphragm, some people say use ur diaphragm not ur chest, others say imagine the sound coming from ur larynx (just under adams apple) and im like.....eh.....
maybe people could put alot of stuff right if we could kill cross cuz shes just a waste of time with the pencil idea, and find some proper people worth fuckin talkin to :@ i just wanna scream again

[metalhead220]

u def need 2 scream using ur diaphram: breathing into your stomach and tensing ur abs.....as for u be able 2 do the scream all the time it might b a matter of u warming up or not

[ash2490]

People say let the air go into ur stomach and use that not ur diaphragm, some people say use ur diaphragm not ur chest, others say imagine the sound coming from ur larynx (just under adams apple) and im like.....eh.....

Assuming that people are discussing the same style of screaming, things probably aren't necessarily as contradictory as they might seem, it's just that people explain the same basic ideas in such different ways.

Take the above quote for example. You need to be breathing from the diaphragm no matter what. Properly breathing with the diaphragm means that the abdomen will expand during inhalation rather than the chest, and the abdomen will generally be the area you should push from when projecting your vocals. Breathing and projecting from the chest area will put a LOT more stress on the voice, will generate less power and sustain, and is in general one of the single worst things you can do with just about any kind of vocals.

While the power comes from the diaphragm, the sound itself will originate in either the vocal cords or the false vocal cords, which are both housed in the larynx.

Also, and this is just my opinion, it sounds like might be considering advice from too many different types of sources. For instance, the technique that Melissa Cross mainly focuses on with things like the pencil exercise is fry, which does have its place but is completely worthless for the kind of sound you want to achieve. As such, information regarding the technique shouldn't even be taken into account. If you make it a point to only focus on advice regarding the specific style you want to learn, you might not come across as much confilicting information.

[Burnasembers99]

Wow, I have to say all the "advice" up here isn't all that good, though I won't point fingers.
First off, if you use your throat to scream, your gunna fuck that shit up REAL quick. You need to use your diaphragm, which if your not used to using it intentionally you have to practice muscle control for it. You also have to get into the habit of "picturing" your sound in your head, and picturing your throat like a hollow tube (trust me, it helps). The more your throat is closed off, the more you have to push to get the air out. The more you push, the more you strain your vocal chords and any spit in your throat will "gurgle" and can cause your throat to scrath and scar. As you can see, thats a BAD thing.
Avoid acidic things, like lemonade and soda. This should be self explanitory, acidic=acid acid=ow. Milk is debatable, Ive heard good things about it but I do fine without it. The few times I have used it, it just coats your throat for a few minutes and you can't tell by the feeling in your throat if your doing it right. And if your not and the coat wears off, its gunna hurt. Im not saying you shouldn't drink these things ever again, just not the days you practice by yourself or with your band, and definatly not during a show! Same goes for smoking and drinking alchohol. Im a smoker, but the day of practice I don't smoke until Im sure Im done screaming for the day.
Warm up. I know that sounds stupid, but your voice is your instrument, and you need to take care of it. Athletes can testify to warming up. Working with "cold" muscles can EASILY cause pulling muscles and other pains. You DONT want to pull the muscles in your throat, experiance can say, it fucking HURTS. Try warming up by singing, just do the "do re me fa so la te do" shit for a bit, and slowly try screaming it. You may sound ridiculous, but its just something to do to make things better. You can sing random songs, humming works in a pinch, or just going "EEEEYOW" a few times before you do it for practice can also work when your restrained for time. I usually spend about 15-20 minutes warming up, and it helps.
I suggest to just learn how to use your diaphragm to scream, NOT your throat. Look up on youtube "screaming vocal tips" and other related tags as well, and you can find alot of great help (as long as alot of shitty help). If any of them say "if it hurts your doing it right" then they are just fucking stupid. Though there IS a disclaimer for even that statement: There is a difference between pressure and pain.
You WANT pressure on your throat when your done as you just start practicing. It means your muscles are getting trained. Compare it like this: You ride a bike for the first time and you end up going quite a distance and back. Your legs feel tight. Same goes for screaming, though again make sure you pay attention to whats pain and whats pressure. Thats all I can say really.

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